Thomas W
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Thought I would address the 0560/61’s since they have now hit the streets and are being reviewed.
First I’d like to say thank you for the support with this project. It has been quite overwhelming from a forum/thread standpoint. Really unlike any single knife I can recall. With all that excitement comes the customer hype that follows, which brings pressure on a product that I’m unsure it can live up to. I will say that I'm giddy to be in that crosshair though.
We’ve heard back on quite a few initial responses with early reviews on the 0560. I’m happy to see that many of these reviews are coming from members with very low post counts. It seems the 0560 has reached lurkers, and enthusiasts that have gone deep to purchase a ti frame lock flipper for perhaps the first time. We need the input, as it assists in up producing better products.
I suppose I need to explain the detent portion of the 0560, and our reasoning behind the set up. After some internal conversation yesterday, we feel we’ve brought forth confusion with this knife. By utilizing the studs as the blade stop, we’re enticing folks to use the studs as a way of opening the knife. The set up (heavy detent) can make the studs difficult if not impossible (for some) to deploy the blade. Inexperience hands will additionally perplex the situation. In retrospect, we should have left the studs off, done up an internal stop pin, and made the 0560 a no doubt flipper…our bad on that one. For those of you that can utilize both the flipper and the studs effectively…we’re happy you’ve found that balance. From a production build perspective it is near impossible for us to repeatedly dial in a 0560 that balances a perfect detent set up to accommodate for both flipping and thumb stud deployment.
We’re definitely siding more on the heavy detent with the 0560, as when paired with KVT, it enables the blade to fly open effortlessly. Additionally without a heavy detent, this knife can open way to easy, and married with KVT…well I think you can see where I’m going there.
I’ve seen a few 0560’s that have come back from warranty with a detent that they say was too heavy, and the blade impossible to open. Truth is they were set up perfectly. Opened by a multitude of folks internally without effort. These heavy detent flippers are tough as a first flipper. It's kinda like getting a refined manual transmission as your first car experience.
I remember quite a few years ago with Tim Galyean’s custom flippers…damn I felt like less than a man when trying to deploy them. Tim looked up at me like “really?”. I got my flipping business shored up in short order after that. Recently I received a flipper from RJ. It was a man’s flipper. There were some in the office that strained trying to open it, nothing. No problem for some, impossible for others. Point is, the set up is perfect, absolutely perfect.
As to the locks being sticky. Well this is a subject that has been covered 1000 times here on the forums. With Ti frame locks, you can have a bit of stickiness. It's inherent (sometimes)...Give it some time prior to tweaking. Don’t saturate with oil!!!! You get oil on the lock face it furthers the stick. Saw a 0560 back yesterday, had more oil on it than a Mickey D’s french fry. The lock was sticky…you don’t say? I understand that some don’t understand, but thought we should address a few “issues” here. Time can assist with stickiness.
As to cracking open your 0560. I would say that unless you know what you’re doing, and have the proper tools to accomplish the task, did I mention know what you're doing?, don’t do it!!! We see more knives come back from folks that think they know what they’re doing…
Again, give the piece some time to settle in. If the problem exceeds time, send it in and know you have our apologies, along with our guarantee that we will fix your knife.
I’ve also heard of those complaining about sharp edges and the piece needs a bit of softening. We’ve heard you and will massage future parts a bit longer so to keep the pain to a minimum. Personally it hasn’t really bothered me, but I can understand the complaint.
I’ve addressed the comments on the weight and feel earlier.
For the most part I’m satisfied with your initial reviews , and appreciate the input. We’ll continue to refine the 0560’s to the point where they are dialed in perfectly, but wanted to address some of the threads I’ve been seeing over the last little bit. We do know that not everyone will feel the 0560 is what they were expecting, but are hoping there are realistic expectations as well.
Oh could someone use one already!!!
Thanks again for the support and valued input with the ZT line-up.
First I’d like to say thank you for the support with this project. It has been quite overwhelming from a forum/thread standpoint. Really unlike any single knife I can recall. With all that excitement comes the customer hype that follows, which brings pressure on a product that I’m unsure it can live up to. I will say that I'm giddy to be in that crosshair though.
We’ve heard back on quite a few initial responses with early reviews on the 0560. I’m happy to see that many of these reviews are coming from members with very low post counts. It seems the 0560 has reached lurkers, and enthusiasts that have gone deep to purchase a ti frame lock flipper for perhaps the first time. We need the input, as it assists in up producing better products.
I suppose I need to explain the detent portion of the 0560, and our reasoning behind the set up. After some internal conversation yesterday, we feel we’ve brought forth confusion with this knife. By utilizing the studs as the blade stop, we’re enticing folks to use the studs as a way of opening the knife. The set up (heavy detent) can make the studs difficult if not impossible (for some) to deploy the blade. Inexperience hands will additionally perplex the situation. In retrospect, we should have left the studs off, done up an internal stop pin, and made the 0560 a no doubt flipper…our bad on that one. For those of you that can utilize both the flipper and the studs effectively…we’re happy you’ve found that balance. From a production build perspective it is near impossible for us to repeatedly dial in a 0560 that balances a perfect detent set up to accommodate for both flipping and thumb stud deployment.
We’re definitely siding more on the heavy detent with the 0560, as when paired with KVT, it enables the blade to fly open effortlessly. Additionally without a heavy detent, this knife can open way to easy, and married with KVT…well I think you can see where I’m going there.
I’ve seen a few 0560’s that have come back from warranty with a detent that they say was too heavy, and the blade impossible to open. Truth is they were set up perfectly. Opened by a multitude of folks internally without effort. These heavy detent flippers are tough as a first flipper. It's kinda like getting a refined manual transmission as your first car experience.
I remember quite a few years ago with Tim Galyean’s custom flippers…damn I felt like less than a man when trying to deploy them. Tim looked up at me like “really?”. I got my flipping business shored up in short order after that. Recently I received a flipper from RJ. It was a man’s flipper. There were some in the office that strained trying to open it, nothing. No problem for some, impossible for others. Point is, the set up is perfect, absolutely perfect.
As to the locks being sticky. Well this is a subject that has been covered 1000 times here on the forums. With Ti frame locks, you can have a bit of stickiness. It's inherent (sometimes)...Give it some time prior to tweaking. Don’t saturate with oil!!!! You get oil on the lock face it furthers the stick. Saw a 0560 back yesterday, had more oil on it than a Mickey D’s french fry. The lock was sticky…you don’t say? I understand that some don’t understand, but thought we should address a few “issues” here. Time can assist with stickiness.
As to cracking open your 0560. I would say that unless you know what you’re doing, and have the proper tools to accomplish the task, did I mention know what you're doing?, don’t do it!!! We see more knives come back from folks that think they know what they’re doing…
Again, give the piece some time to settle in. If the problem exceeds time, send it in and know you have our apologies, along with our guarantee that we will fix your knife.
I’ve also heard of those complaining about sharp edges and the piece needs a bit of softening. We’ve heard you and will massage future parts a bit longer so to keep the pain to a minimum. Personally it hasn’t really bothered me, but I can understand the complaint.
I’ve addressed the comments on the weight and feel earlier.
For the most part I’m satisfied with your initial reviews , and appreciate the input. We’ll continue to refine the 0560’s to the point where they are dialed in perfectly, but wanted to address some of the threads I’ve been seeing over the last little bit. We do know that not everyone will feel the 0560 is what they were expecting, but are hoping there are realistic expectations as well.
Oh could someone use one already!!!
Thanks again for the support and valued input with the ZT line-up.
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