0560/61 Detent, Lock, Weight...

It looks and sounds amazing. I'm not normally a huge fan of ti framelocks, but I'm planning on giving this one a chance to change my mind. Right now I'm just repeating, "Patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue" while I wait for supply to catch up.
 
Thomas,

I returned for a third time today - across town again - to peruse the HEST/f 2.0, LionSpy, and 0560/0561. I will discuss this in a separate thread, but - to be blunt - I need a good recipe for crow. I will be cleaning said bird with the new ZT-0561 I brought home with me. NIB, it is just a bit stiffer than the well broken in demo's they had - a pair of both 0560 and 0561's. I was shocked - and can only assume my hard-to-deploy results of earlier trips were the two Lion knives (Yes, they are still stiff - and hard to close.) - and, perhaps, trying to open the new ZTs by what I 'assumed' were thumbstuds. On this trip, I merely used the flipper - which has steadily improved with use. Now I read your post - and find that the 'thumb posts' are really blade stops... that villifies my purchase, not that I needed that - mine is a keeper, even if it was most of three Benjamins with s/t. BTW, I can now deploy it either way - more easily by flipper. I'll correct my previous reviews. Does crow taste more like condor... or spotted owl??

Stainz
 
RevDevil said:
As far as the 0560 goes, I am very pleased with the way it turned out. The blade is centered and very sharp. The handle is extremely comfortable and feels well balanced. The blade to handle ratio is perfect. I have no problems opening the knife with either the thumb studs or the flipper. I do like the option. There will always be people that complain about anything and everything given the chance. The knife is already dialed in as far as I am concerned.
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+1

Pretty much my thoughts as well.
 
My 560 is definitely smoothing out (both lock and flipping) I've also figured out how to open it with the thumb studs/stop pins quite easily as well (was pressing on the lock before which made it completely impossible to open with the added friction) although its definitely much easier to open as a flipper, May have to get a 561 down the road or a tiger stripe when they're released.
 
My 0561 is the only one I've handled so I don't have anything to compare it with, but I would say the detent on mine could certainly be stronger. I've been confused by people saying the detent is too strong because mine isn't. Mine is also perfectly easy to flip open with the thumbstuds so I am very glad they're there as well. I will have to compare when I get my 0560 but I wouldn't mind having quite a bit more detent. Also my 0561 is less than what I would call sharp. Otherwise it's very nice. I like the weight and feel, I like the jumiping, I like the pocket clip. Nice knife Thomas! Thanks a lot for making it!
 
Thomas W said:
I’ve also heard of those complaining about sharp edges and the piece needs a bit of softening. We’ve heard you and will massage future parts a bit longer so to keep the pain to a minimum. Personally it hasn’t really bothered me, but I can understand the complaint.
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I will gladly buy another ZT0560 again if the above is fixed! Thanks for valuing our feedback Thomas!
 
Sadly, every 0560/561 I fondled yesterday at a local store had a bit of a bite at that same jimping area - primarily in the inside edge of the Ti frames - easily remedied. If you seriously don't feel it after deploying the blade with your trigger/flipper finger, you may have neuropathy - an early symptom of unchecked diabetes. Have your doc check your A1C level! A worse indicator... after a few cycles, you feel something sticky on the flipper & jimping... and it's reddish...

Hey, don't laugh - I had a new S&W 625JM years ago with a grooved & flash-chromed trigger - it took DNA samples every trigger pull - until I de-horned it. It cost even then a lot more than my 0561 did yesterday.

Stainz
 
This is a joke right?




Stainz said:
Sadly, every 0560/561 I fondled yesterday at a local store had a bit of a bite at that same jimping area - primarily in the inside edge of the Ti frames - easily remedied. If you seriously don't feel it after deploying the blade with your trigger/flipper finger, you may have neuropathy - an early symptom of unchecked diabetes. Have your doc check your A1C level! A worse indicator... after a few cycles, you feel something sticky on the flipper & jimping... and it's reddish...

Hey, don't laugh - I had a new S&W 625JM years ago with a grooved & flash-chromed trigger - it took DNA samples every trigger pull - until I de-horned it. It cost even then a lot more than my 0561 did yesterday.

Stainz
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I guess I'll add that with all the attention the 0560/61's receives, they are put under the microscope more so than the majority of production knives as well. I suppose this is to be expected, but to date I'm unsure if the knives can live up to the scrutiny I'm reading about.
 
Thomas W said:
I guess I'll add that with all the attention the 0560/61's receives, they are put under the microscope more so than the majority of production knives as well. I suppose this is to be expected, but to date I'm unsure if the knives can live up to the scrutiny I'm reading about.
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I sent you a pm Thomas.
 
Im kind of confused about why people are upset. Did they not understand the engineering of KVT and how it goes hand in hand with a strong detent? To be honest if the detent wasn't as strong as it is, I would have been pissed off.

I was lucky enough to get a Kershaw tilt a while back and although the knife is simply an amazing engineering accomplishment at the given pricepoint, the detent was just too weak on mine. Any sort of wiggle with the knife and the blade pops out. Not ideal for a user knife but I dont mind since its just a collectors piece for me.

When I got my 0561 I was super excited to see that it did not have the same weakish detent. I cant see the knife being any better at that price. I have owned many benchmades, spydercos, have a selection of CRKs and am getting into Strider as well. Based on what I see in 400-600 dollar knives and what I have historically seen in 200-300 dollar knives from other companies, I expected a less refined, less solid knife in the 0561. I was wrong. I am really, really impressed with the build quality of this knife. I would recommend it to anyone.

Great job kershaw,

Thanks
 
bladeCraft124 said:
Im kind of confused about why people are upset. Did they not understand the engineering of KVT and how it goes hand in hand with a strong detent? To be honest if the detent wasn't as strong as it is, I would have been pissed off.

I was lucky enough to get a Kershaw tilt a while back and although the knife is simply an amazing engineering accomplishment at the given pricepoint, the detent was just too weak on mine. Any sort of wiggle with the knife and the blade pops out. Not ideal for a user knife but I dont mind since its just a collectors piece for me.

When I got my 0561 I was super excited to see that it did not have the same weakish detent. I cant see the knife being any better at that price. I have owned many benchmades, spydercos, have a selection of CRKs and am getting into Strider as well. Based on what I see in 400-600 dollar knives and what I have historically seen in 200-300 dollar knives from other companies, I expected a less refined, less solid knife in the 0561. I was wrong. I am really, really impressed with the build quality of this knife. I would recommend it to anyone.

Great job kershaw,

Thanks
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I've been EDCing mine since I got it. The tiny bit of stickiness in the lock is gone.
I did dig into my girlfriends work bag (nail stylist) and do some touchups on the G10 as it had some sharp spots.

Its pretty much perfect now. I especially like the deep carry clip.

I posted a video and some tips for the guys having issue opening it with the studs, the trick is to push UP instead of out.

Here's a video demonstrating for anyone that missed it in the other thread
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z157/Followthehollow/5ae1b8f7.mp4


Tha ks for helping bring this knife to us Thomas
 
I opened the box it came in then grabbed my leatherman wave and filed down the G10 and sharp edges on the Ti jimping. Not a big deal I do it to literally every knife with grippy G10.
 
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I appriceiciate the new design philosophy of making a hard use folder that is rugged yet still lightweight and smartly created. It siunds like maybe Kershaw needs to put instruction for how to use and operate their high quality specialty tools.

Keep up the good work!
 
I like the stop on the studs. I like the strong detent. After a few days it smoothed out and glides open even better. Mine never had a sticky lock face. The lock bar was stiff at first though but has loosened a bit so it is easier to close. I've found with the clip in tip down I put my fingers in a different place and part of my issue was being sure to keep pressure off the base of the lockbar when pushing from the top. When the clip is in tip up I don't get my fingers placed on the butt
below the lockbar. People without sasquatch hands shouldn't have this issue.

I hope there are no other changes but welcome a bit more time deburring. The only issue I had with mine was a bit of sharpness as the scalloped texture created some points at the edges. I can't believe some guys took diamond hones to theirs! I couldn't do that to a new knife and it wasn't needed. I ran the sharp points against a wood dowel and just that took down the edges. It chewed up the dowel pretty well as the wood is much softer than the titanium or G10 but wasn't hard enough to mar the knife.

I think KAI has done an amazing job with this knife and it is my favorite production knife. It was just what I was looking for. A large unassisted flipper with titanium framelock and a stonewash blade. The carbon fiber and composite on the Tilt are all very nice but the 3D machining on this one I believe puts it in that league technology wise. I just hope Rick makes 3D machined carbon fiber scales for it eventually or I can get in on purchasing any limited run CF models released.
 
oregonknifenerd said:
I can't believe some guys took diamond hones to theirs! I couldn't do that to a new knife and it wasn't needed.
I think KAI has done an amazing job with this knife and it is my favorite production knife. It was just what I was looking for. A large unassisted flipper with titanium framelock and a stonewash blade.
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:D It really wasn't that big a deal. I had nothing else to use. And, I did it very lightly, just enough to soften the sharp edges on the jimping. In fact, if you look at the knife you wouldn't be able to tell anyone had done anything to it. It looks normal like it came from the factory. The fine hone worked quite well.

I agree with you. I think KAI/ZT has done a great job with the knife, and it's my favorite as well.
 
Mine was perfect right out of the box, thanks Thomas.

Oh and thanks for the ZT addiction #%^&:mad::D

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Thanks for chiming in on the initial reviews Thomas. Spot on commentary.

I'm loving my mine!
 
While the S&W 625JM did raise a blister and pop it on the first use due to the trigger's sharp grooves, it was too much fun - like my 0561 - to not shoot it at that first range trip. You bet it was dehorned that very day, as my 0561 will be later today.

Yes, my remarks were otherwise 'tongue-in-cheek' - sort of. If you ever do lose feeling in your fingers... see a doc.

Thomas, some of us are very happy with our new ZTs... as picky as we may seem.

Stainz

PS Edited to add: My fingers tingling nearly two years ago was attributed by me to worsening diagnosed carpal tunnel syndrome problems from some prior experience - but it actually was early signs of diabetic neuropathy. It will be two years this summer since I learned this and, in time for my 62nd birthday, learned of my type 2 diabetes. I was fortunate and started taking a daily pill. Diet, excercise, and loss of weight have since lessened the amount of that pill - more weight loss should eliminate it. The CTS caused some nerve damage - as did the neuropathy - but I can still feel the sharp jimping on my 0561- but not for long!
 
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