11" fighting bowie in bocote

Alot of great points made here and no one ever knows what they are capable of

Training and muscle memory are the much over used words in describeing the solution. There is a reason these words are used and that is because they are the absoloute truth.

They say that you have to repeat an action 2500 times to commit it to muscle memory. That is why some people always carry the same thing in the same place and draw over and over again so hopefully when in a time of distress things work to a some what better conclusion.

Kevin my dear friend I want to lay out a scenario and tell me if in this situation you would do the same. This is all just for fun so please play along.

Among many things I am a realtor and I do alot of work for the banks selling and doing walk thru's of large old bank owned propertys in an economicaly beaten up town in NJ.

Sometimes when I enter these building I hear rats and sometimes vagrants exiting these building and so forth. Can stoves and other goodies left here and there are sometimes present

Say ya get a phone call from Pittsburg and they say Joe buddy please go down to this building open it up the electric co needs access. Alot of these buildings have no electric and my Surefire and I go for a walk thru basements looking for breaker boards and such. Now say on this particular day ya got your brand new shiney Jason Knight Fighting Bowie or your old faithful Bagwell lying on your seat or in a case stuck somewhere. Remember for me to have a loaded gun anywhere near me while I am in this state is against the law. I will go to jail if I am found with said hand gun. Would you not take your nice friend with ya you know the knife ya camped and backpacked with the knife ya slept with in strange cities and tents. Hell the things like a pacifier.

So ya stick old faithful in your belt behind your hip where every knife ya ever carry goes and ya throw your sport coat on and ya walk on down the hall. Well behind door # 3 theres 3 tweakers that instead of scurrying away look at your hand and see a ring . Not just any ring your fathers fathers ring. Well they can't have that ring they can have my money but they can't have that ring. This is the moment that ya hope that all the stupid practice the drawing of the blade the working on cuts and sparring ya hope all pans out and my ring and I go home to my kids so someday one of them can wear that ring. Imagine if one of my kids where with me which would not happen because I would not take them into that situation but my point is some situations they dont just want your money they want something ya just can't give be it a stupid ring or one of your children. In that situation would you not be glad ya had snazy Combat Bowie with ya or would ya have left it in the car ? :D

While my Bowie is sleeping in its cape buffalo case while riding in my car I am not breaking the law like I am if I have a loaded firearm.

So I respectfully disagree that there is not a want or need for proper fighting Bowies. In this situation I think its about perfect. I know if I hit a man in the side of the head with a knife thats got the right amount of weight I am gonna stop them in there tracks and deal with tweaker 2 and if I get thru him I am almost home.

To me this tool is alot better tool than a 3 to 5 inch knife that I have to roll around with three guys with box cutters playing slice and dice and people looked at me strangely when I carried around a baseball bat :D
 
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Good post Adam and even though I'm a "Fighter Bowie" collector I suggest sticking with your concealed handgun. As much as I love a fine fighter, having a 10" blade on your belt, even though it offers a feeling of security, in these times is more apt to give some wacko what little excuse they need to blow your brains out.

The general idea is that it shouldn't be seen until you have it in your hand, in process of deanimating your adversary.

I have been robbed twice at gun point. Once when I was 16 working as a cashier at an A&P grocery store on Williamsburg road in Richmond Va and again about 12 years latter working in my Auto Parts store in the same area only a few miles further down the road. The first time I was of course unarmed, and I can't even tell you how terrifying it is to have your life in the hands of someone who is 6-7 feet away with a handgun and in a wild and panicked state.

Try the experience with a Mexican Police Officer, in the back of his car, while you are handcuffed and the muzzle is 12" from your face(was it a fart, or did I soil myself?).:eek:


As no fighter bowie is going to stop a bullet, my point is that if you are going into harms way and are taking the precaution and making the effort to carry a concealed weapon, why not make it the most effective possible. Or in other words, the saying “don’t take a knife to a gun fight” makes a lot of sense.

You base your thoughts as someone who may be more proficient with the use of a gun rather than a knife. I'm pretty sure that someone who takes knife fighting seriously such as Joe Paranee, James Keating or Kelly Worden would give just about ANYONE a run for their money, toe to toe. It's about training, approach and intent.

That training and use tends to inform the user about little things that most of us will never understand or bother with.

It's the same thing for me with nihonto, primarily wakizashi and katana. I care for how they look as to how it affects how they WORK...beyond that, I could give a crap.

Lots of posters chime in purely on how something looks wrt to bowies or swords, and have not one inkling as to how the blades are supposed to function.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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Very well written Joe:thumbup:

I carried my Bagwell a couple of years ago through the winter months as an experiment. I found it rather easy to carry until it got warm and had to leave my coat at home. I could still carry it under a shirt with no problems until i would set down or bend over which caused it to print.

For me a shorter fixed blade is very easy and has been since the mid 90's. Smaller blades certainly don't have the range or knock down power of a bowie but with a quick draw and proper targeting i feel safe with them. I would just hate to get in a duel against a bowie with one:D
 
This has really been a great thread! Thanks to everyone that participated - I took lots of things away from all of the feedback here. In fact, I started another project yesterday due to some of the things I've read (and LOTS of emails and phone calls from my buddy Joey), so stay tuned...
 
Kevin my dear friend I want to lay out a scenario and tell me if in this situation you would do the same. This is all just for fun so please play along.

Joe, lets discuss my handling of this scenario on the phone, my friend.

So I respectfully disagree that there is not a want or need for proper fighting Bowies.

I will add that I certainly didn't say that. I collect them for god's sake.
 
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All I have left to say here on the subject is that my position that “fighter bowies” have limited effectiveness as modern day defense weapons is based on the fact that, carry laws or no carry laws, firearms are readily available to and abundant these days among the criminal element. It’s my opinion that firearm carry laws put good and responsible citizens at a disadvantage rather than keeping firearms out of the hands of those who will steal and do harm. I’m thankful to live in a state which has laws in this area which favors our good and honest citizens.

In real life situations (not scenarios, what-ifs, scenes from action hero movies or in training exercises) a “fighter bowie”, no matter how fine or how skilled and or experienced it’s owner, is NOT effective against someone who has a gun pointed at you from 5-6 feet with their finger on the trigger. Only an absolute fool would pull a concealed bowie knife under those conditions.

In both personal experiences I shared, indivisuals who seemed like potential customers went from being such to being armed robbers and potential murderers in a second or two leaving no reaction time what so ever. The element of surprise is often used by criminals in attacks and robberies.

I certainly don’t have any issue with anyone carrying a 15” bowie around in public, even think its cool, especially at knife shows. However, I'm not sure the message that they are effective for personal defense (especially against firearms) is a good message to convey.

Um?, “Knife Guns” for personal defense? Perhaps our good friend Bruce Bump is on to something. ;) :)
 
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This is one of the best threads I've ran across. Great stuff here to consider. My son is in Police Academy as we speak, it will be interesting to hear his take on the carry bowie subject but for me I'd rather get shot than ran through with a bowie. I heard my name mentioned here and just wanted to add that I do have one collector that has my pistol/folder as his EDC. I wish I could afford to do that.
 
Guys great fun thread

Kevin you know you are my friend to the end :D

But here is a little Deja Vu I was driveing from Pa to NJ to go to the office and my Broker called me she is a lovely little lady about 65 years old. She said your big building down on South Main has the back door in the allie hanging open. She said go lock it up and becareful do you have your knife on ya:D Swear to god I sit around my office not with a Bowie knife on but a kwaiken or other fixed blade knife fully exposed when I take off my suit jacket . Every one in my office loves that I carry a knife and borrows it constantly. In fact the other night I was at a formal diner celebrateing my boss who is the ex mayor among many things . I was walking by her table which the current mayor and police chief where sitting at she was opening up a present and said honey can I have your knife. I pulled out a lovely Hartsfield Kwaiken and handed it to her. She cut open her present and no one at the table commented on why or how come I was carrying such a knife.

Back to my story I pulled up to the building and guess what was riding next to me in my Porsche a lovely shiney brand new Knight Founders Bowie. I parked in front put on my Bowie did not even cover it with a jacket walked up to the front of the building said hello to some people standing on the street entered the building found the back door in allie open secured it and proceeded to search the building sure I would rather of had a gun but at least I did not feel totaly un armed. In fact I felt pretty good:D
 
...you know, so far the only thing lacking in this thread so far is input from Jason. Of course, the last time I saw him he threatened to beat me up - can't remember if I had a knife on me or not. Don't think it would've helped much, and would've just increased the intensity of the head noogies he was going to give me!:D

Kevin, I think we're actually all saying the same thing. It's about the instance... there's no doubt that the worst time in the world to try and draw a weapon is when someone's got the drop on you. However, all things being equal, I'd prefer to have the option and keep it to myself than to have no option at all. I know that's what Joey's saying, and it sure as heck is what I'm saying.

Steven, remind me to avoid going anywhere with you. I have no desire to find out what a prison cell in Tijuana is like...;)
 
Steven, remind me to avoid going anywhere with you. I have no desire to find out what a prison cell in Tijuana is like...;)

I have no idea what the prison cells in Tijuana are like, other that I have been TOLD that they were awful. Was my friend that wound me up in the pickle....HE found out what the inside a Tijuana police station looks like, and it included getting punched around and getting all his stuff(money, wallet, sunglasses, watch, assorted other crap) "liberated".

I can only tell you what many of the jail cells on this side of the border are like(not entirely unpleasant, food sucks).:D

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
The best weapon is one's mind. I like your knife Matt.

Coming from this mind that truly is a horific taught :D

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Matt that is a tragedy


I hate to see any young persons life took in a fight over what I believe was a girl
 
Matt that is a tragedy


I hate to see any young persons life took in a fight over what I believe was a girl

I agree. Sad set of circumstances. You do stupid shit when you're young... but you're supposed to survive it.

I'm struggling to put into words why this particular story hits home for me, so I won't. If someone sets out to do harm to you, I feel it is your right to stop them.

Thanks for the thumbs-up, Shawn. It was seeing your blades that got me interested in that style of sharpened clip, btw... so if it kind of looks familiar, it's cuz I stole it from ya!
 
Thank you Matt the unique steel and hard work that went into making it is obvious to me. I've been working on a bocote handle as a hobby project on blank and curious what you found to work on finishing the wood?
 
Im guessing most of us will be at Blade, this would make some great bar talk. Hell maybe we can even run some CQ drills, when sober of course.
 
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