I believe we are all just beginning to see the scale "extent" of the backlogs by listening to everyone's experiences and order history. I wasn't even aware that some have waited for the F2nd orders going back to Sept of 2016. Yea I'd say that's reason to "not place estimates anymore" (lol).
I’m thinking he had to have meant 2017 because of the order number mine is #108xx and I ordered on Feb 28, 2017. There is also someone earlier who received there’s that was ordered on Feb 1st. At least I hope that is the case or I have a real loooooooooong wait ahead.