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ah I might but I'm not hopping mad anymore and I really try to be nice but this makes me :mad:

on another note today I just relized another insanity of the zero tolerance policy. some girl at a local high school got kidnapped and there was some discussion about safty and whatnot, and last spring we had a sheriff talk to us about safty, and not getting into cars unless someone has a gun at your head. so I got to thinking about it, and to play devills advocate; if I was a child predator I would definatly hang around school, lots of young UNARMED kids. The hypocrisy is mind blowing. now someone might say that "people get kidnaped so infrequently that its not worth the risk of having a bunch of knives around campuss", but actually the chance of someone getting hurt on campus is just about as likely as getting kidnaped.
incedently anybody ever heard of kids getting seriously hurt by knives in school?
 
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Nebulae said:
ah I might but I'm not hopping mad anymore and I really try to be nice but this makes me :mad:

on another note today I just relized another insanity of the zero tolerance policy. some girl at a local high school got kidnapped and there was some discussion about safty and whatnot, and last spring we had a sheriff talk to us about safty, and not getting into cars unless someone has a gun at your head. so I got to thinking about it, and to play devills advocate; if I was a child predator I would definatly hang around school, lots of young UNARMED kids. The hypocrisy is mind blowing. now someone might say that "people get kidnaped so infrequently that its not worth the risk of having a bunch of knives around campuss", but actually the chance of someone getting hurt on campus is just about as likely as getting kidnaped.
incedently anybody ever heard of kids getting seriously hurt by knives in school?
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You make a good point , which is why legislatively banning any object that a law abiding citizen can use to defend themself doesn't make much sense.

The wolves can always tell which sheep are easy prey....
 
Nebulae said:
ah I might but I'm not hopping mad anymore and I really try to be nice but this makes me :mad:

on another note today I just relized another insanity of the zero tolerance policy. some girl at a local high school got kidnapped and there was some discussion about safty and whatnot, and last spring we had a sheriff talk to us about safty, and not getting into cars unless someone has a gun at your head. so I got to thinking about it, and to play devills advocate; if I was a child predator I would definatly hang around school, lots of young UNARMED kids. The hypocrisy is mind blowing. now someone might say that "people get kidnaped so infrequently that its not worth the risk of having a bunch of knives around campuss", but actually the chance of someone getting hurt on campus is just about as likely as getting kidnaped.incedently anybody ever heard of kids getting seriously hurt by knives in school?
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on what exactly do you base the highlighted portion?

i am personally aware of many incidents involving injuries from knives on school campuses unrelated to lawful classroom activity.

of the hundreds of missing child investigations i have been involved with that were initiated from their school, i dont recall any that were legitimate kidnappings or involved any criminal activity.

contrarily, i have investigated probably thousands of incidents at school campuses that involved criminal activity and resultant injury to students.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
on what exactly do you base the highlighted portion?

i am personally aware of many incidents involving injuries from knives on school campuses unrelated to lawful classroom activity.

of the hundreds of missing child investigations i have been involved with that were initiated from their school, i dont recall any that were legitimate kidnappings or involved any criminal activity.

contrarily, i have investigated probably thousands of incidents at school campuses that involved criminal activity and resultant injury to students.
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Not that I don't believe, quite the opposite, but what were the injuries that people sustained? Are we talking sheer stupidity here or students threatening others with their knives? That and are we talking about high school, college, etc?
 
I'm also not saying that if you are being threatend by a guy w/ a gun a knife will save you, but it does preserve a option, especially in the close quarters of a car
 
riz_aaroni said:
Not that I don't believe, quite the opposite, but what were the injuries that people sustained? Are we talking sheer stupidity here or students threatening others with their knives? That and are we talking about high school, college, etc?
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injuries as a result of malicious intent, but there are of course those that result from stupidity.

elementary, middle, and high school.
 
JPD1998 said:
You make a good point , which is why legislatively banning any object that a law abiding citizen can use to defend themself doesn't make much sense.

The wolves can always tell which sheep are easy prey....
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You're not really considered a citizen that can function in society until you get out of high school. I think you guys are forgetting that the school has to protect their own ass from a lot of could be lawsuits, hence why they don't allow knives/other objects that seem dangerous in the hands of a teenager. Most teenagers (let alone children) aren't as responsible as they might've been 10-20 years ago. You can't argue this because physiologically they don't use the frontal lobe which is responsible for rational thinking. Yeah there are few exceptions but we're talking about majority.

You also have to realize that we, knife enthusiasts, view knives differently than a lot of citizens. I forgot the term, but basically because we're around knives more often and view them as tools we think more people think this way but we couldn't be more wrong. Knife forums like this also make people think that more people view knives the same way, but look at the population on these forums compared to the total population in the US. Yeah, it's not that big in comparison. So try to be aware of this.
 
People behave the way society expects them to behave. Children are especially likely to fall into conventional patterns of behavior.

I went to grade school in the 50's. We all carried knives, but we weren't allowed to make noise in class and rowdy behavior in the hallways was punished also. The school was not a gulag. We were cheerful and attentive students.

When a society demonizes knives and distrusts its children, many of those children grow up untrustworthy, and disrespect tools generally.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
People behave the way society expects them to behave. Children are especially likely to fall into conventional patterns of behavior.

I went to grade school in the 50's. We all carried knives, but we weren't allowed to make noise in class and rowdy behavior in the hallways was punished also. The school was not a gulag. We were cheerful and attentive students.

When a society demonizes knives and distrusts its children, many of those children grow up untrustworthy, and disrespect tools generally.
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Yeah, especially when they don't belong to them. Times have changed, a lot. I wish I could've went to school when it was like that.
 
That world was not a paradise. I didn't meet my father until I was two years old, when he got back from WW II. Not long afterwards, an uncle ended up in Korea.

While we have had cities for centuries, urbanization as a way to warehouse excess populations generally ends in civil war or bread and circuses.

No easy answers, but we can always try.
 
I have to say it's sad that the people teaching the current generation have lost so much of their ability to use their brains. As poor as the curriculum was as my high school, at least the teachers taught me to use mine. The teaching aspect of it is a completely different discussion though.

I'm 23 now, and I carried a Letherman Wave every single day of high school. It was out in the open on my belt, for everyone to see. I was never so much as given a slap on the wrist for having it. Sometimes it pays to grow up in a small town :)

To put it in even more perspective, during hunting season, properly cased shotguns were allowed(de facto, not according to the rules), provided they were locked in the trunk of your vehicle. I never heard of anything worse than a 3-day suspension for having a knife or gun.
 
I was brought up in a very dangerous home - we had a whole draw full of bladed weapons. Even as a young child I used to use dangerously dull (sharp is safer than dull) bladed weapons to do risky things like spread butter onto bread. Luckily I only took pre-made sandwiches to school so I didn't need to take any of these bladed weapons with me - god knows what chaos might have ensued if I had! :rolleyes:

Imagine if that 6 year old had only had the cutlery multi-tool confiscated for the day and then been told to take it home and to not bring it back again - the world would surely have ended! Clearly a 45 day suspension was needed to ensure the safety of everyone in the school. :rolleyes:
 
tnt-user said:
Here's a high school kid explelled for having a 1 inch victorinox classic on him:eek:. Makes me sad the people who run children's education.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/70982_knife18.shtml
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That is pretty messed up - who in their right mind considers what that kid had to be a weapon? Sure it could do some damage, but so could a fist or a book or a pen or many items of sporting equipment.

School policy - 1
Common sense - 0
 
Gadgetaholic said:
That is pretty messed up - who in their right mind considers what that kid had to be a weapon? Sure it could do some damage, but so could a fist or a book or a pen or many items of sporting equipment.

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Common sense - 0
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A 6 inch pencil could do more harm:rolleyes:
 
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