2004 Model Survey

Keep these models

C07P Police Stainless -has one more good year left
C08SBK Merlin FRN -those that want a small hawkbill
C10PSBK Endura FRN - one more year
C10TR Endura Trainer - same as above
C11PBK Delica FRN - forever keep
C11PSBK Delica FRN -forever keep
C11TR Delica Trainer-forever keep
C12GS Civilian G-10 -nice to have a smaller version
C14SOR Rescue 93mm Orange - just started out , I like the blade design
C17PSBK Catcherman - one more year
C28PBK Dragonfly FRN - still has some years left
C36GPSE Military CPM-S30V - still can see some action
C41PSBK Native FRN -nice design that has some function
C45SOR Rescue 79mm Orange - same as the 93mm
C63GP James Keating Chinook II-just got out the gate
C66PSBK Frank Centofante Vesuvius II -need to see it
C68GPS Bram Frank Gunting -bram got something here
C68TR Bram Frank Gunting Trainer -
C71PSTI Salsa - Titanium - ilike it
C73GP Impala with Guthook - very nice design, can see years of good use
C75P Kiwi - user friendly
C77SBK SpyderHawk - one more year
JBKP Jester - Black -keep
LBK Ladybug - Black --cmon this is the little engine that could!
FB03 Bob Lum Tanto - i like finally got mine
FB09P Ronin - cool
T02S SpyderSaw - need to get one, see 5yrs on this


Semper Fi!
Ceya>> Ceya Knife Designz
 
Eh, I know this isn't gonna sound real civilized or educated but...

I say axe everything comboedge! (hate them comboedges)
 
SPYDERCO KNIVES

Item # Description Discontinue For 2004
C07S Police Stainless
C07P Police Stainless
Got to keep the Police, it's classic

C08S Harpy Stainless
C08SBK Merlin FRN
The billhook blades are really cool but limited utility, keep the SpyderHawk, as the most recent, and get rid of the rest.

C10P Endura Stainless
C10PS Endura Stainless
C10S Endura Stainless
C10PBK Endura FRN
C10PSBK Endura FRN
C10SBK Endura FRN
C10TR Endura Trainer
C11P Delica Stainless
C11PS Delica Stainless
C11S Delica Stainless
C11PBK Delica FRN
C11PSBK Delica FRN
C11SBK Delica FRN
C11TR Delica Trainer
Keep the Delica's and Endura's, again, classics, if sales support them.

C12GS Civilian G-10
C12SBK Matriarch
Goodbye, for previously stated reasons


C13PS ProGrip Stainless
C13PSBK ProGrip FRN
C14SBK Rescue 93mm Black
C14SBL Rescue 93mm Blue
C14SOR Rescue 93mm Orange
The above group has more recent models in the line up that overlap, both designs are classics, but I think it's time to retire them.

C17PSBK Catcherman
How many of these actually sell? You folks would know better then we.

C28P Dragonfly Stainless
C28S Dragonfly Stainless
C28PBK Dragonfly FRN
C28SBK Dragonfly FRN
C29P Cricket Stainless
C29S Cricket Stainless
C29PBK Cricket FRN
C29SBK Cricket FRN
Small knives that are great for lightweight carry, but lots of overlap.

C36GPE Military CPM-S30V
C36GPSE Military CPM-S30V
C36GSE Military CPM-S30V
The only competition to the Police models in the Large Folder category, one of Spyderco's best designs, but over laps with some of the new designs

C41PS Native Stainless
C41PBK Native FRN
C41PSBK Native FRN
Let the new Native stand on it's own.


C45SBK Rescue 79mm Black
C45SBL Rescue 79mm Blue
C45SOR Rescue 79mm Orange
The smaller Rescue's, again a classic design but Spyderco's been putting forward some good looking new SAS designs.

C46GPBK Bob Lum Tanto ? Black Blade
C46GPSBK Bob Lum Tanto ? Black Blade
Some of the few tanto's in the line-up. Unless the sales don't support them, keep it.

C63GP James Keating Chinook II
C63GPS James Keating Chinook II
Someone on the forums compared the lock-up on the Chinook as being like a "bank vault". Sounds like a winner to me. Also an excellent mid sized knife design.

C64JPBK MeerKat
C64JSBK MeerKat
C64PBK2 MeerKat ? Reverse S
C64SBK2 MeerKat ? Reverse S
Cute lock, but WHY?

C65P Lum Chinese Folder
Totally unique design, no one else has anything like it. Keep it.

C66PBK Frank Centofante Vesuvius II
C66PSBK Frank Centofante Vesuvius II
Great looker, but nothing special and overlaps with a lot of other designs.

C68GPS Bram Frank Gunting
C68TR Bram Frank Gunting Trainer
With all the Law Enforcement organizations getting curious about the Gunting line, you have to keep it. Can you imagine sales if even one major city's police department decides to make it standard issue? And if it snowballs...?

C69GP Lil? Temperance Leaf
C69GS Lil? Temperance Leaf
C69GP2 Lil? Temperance Trailing Point
C69GS2 Lil? Temperance Trailing Point
I agree with the previously stated opinion that you probably only need to keep one, probably the Leaf blade. Handles big enough for large hands, which is great.

C75P Kiwi
keeper, great little representation of a gentlemen's knife.

C77SBK SpyderHawk
Most recent hawkbill design, keep it.

JBKP Jester ? Black
JBKS Jester ? Black
JGRP Jester ? Lime Green
JGRS Jester ? Lime Green
LBK Ladybug ? Black
LBL Ladybug ? Blue
LRD Ladybug - Red
To many small blades, especially if your 2004 design's include small blades.

FB01 Bill Moran Featherweight
FB02 Bill Moran Drop Point
Does there have to be two Moran's, though I do like them both.

FB03 Bob Lum Tanto
Lot's of fixed blade tanto's on the market. Though the only Spyderco.

FB04 Fred Perrin
Actually the only Spyderco fixed blade I don't like.

FB05P Temperance
FB05S Temperance
FB05TR Temperance Trainer
The only fixed blade design with a Trainer, Great idea, don't let it go.

FB09P Ronin
Speaks for it's self, innovative, compact, good stuff.

K08P Santoku
The only kitchen knife design that is really designed better then the competitions santoku's, it would be a shame to see it go.
 
These should never be discontinued:

-The whole Endura line
-The whole Delica line
-Gunting
-Moran Drop Point(awesome fixed blade for it's size)
-Perrin
-Santoku(I've had one for many years...I'd like to be able to buy another one if something happens to the one I have.)
-The whole Police line
 
Here are my suggestions for which models to drop. This is always a painful discussion, isn't it? :(

C10PS Endura Stainless
C11PS Delica Stainless
-- I picture these being carried mostly as gentleman's knives where serrations are less "friendly" and so less desirable.

JGRS Jester – Lime Green
LBL Ladybug – Blue
LRD Ladybug - Red
-- I love colors, but if you retain the lime Jester plain-edge you can probably get by without the rest. (And I would still prefer a plain-edge Ladybug to the combo.)

C13PSBK ProGrip FRN
-- Those who really want a non-SS ProGrip should go with the Impala. The ProGrip was meant for stainless.

C64JPBK MeerKat
C64JSBK MeerKat
-- I think the Reverse-S blade is perfect for a knife this size. Those who want a more conventional blade shape can get a Dragonfly.

C14SBL Rescue 93mm Blue
C45SBL Rescue 79mm Blue
-- You have no idea how much it hurts me to suggest these, but I would rather preserve designs than colors if something has to go.

C46GPSBK Bob Lum Tanto – Black Blade
-- I just don't picture anyone who wants this pure a tanto design also wanting serrations on it.

C69GP Lil’ Temperance Leaf
C69GS Lil’ Temperance Leaf
-- The Lil' Temperance was clearly designed for the trailing point blade. It provides more belly and a narrower point. Those who demand a leaf blade should try the Salsa.

C66PSBK Frank Centofante Vesuvius II
-- Those who must have a combo-edge of this general sort can probably substitute the Impala.

C71PSTI Salsa – Titanium
C71CBPS Salsa – Cranberry
-- I am skeptical about the value of partial serrations on blades this short. Leave the blue Salsa combo in the lineup for those who must have one.

FB01 Bill Moran Featherweight
-- The Moran variants are great, but they are very similar and I find the Drop Point more useful.

T01PS SpydeRench
-- I am skeptical about the value of partial serrations on blades this short.

K05SRD Small Utility Knife – Red
-- If you have to cut back preserve the design and drop a color variant. There is always the black.

--Bob Q
 
The Chinook and the Gunting are definite keepers. And the Gunting Drone, of course. And the CRMIPT. :) These are only beginning to "take off."
 
I think that Carlos has everything right, but i also agree with Architect on killing the Stainless Delica, endura, and native, Poor blade steel and uncomfortable handles, the FNR ones are just much better in all but a few ways. I dont need a Stainless Harpy either.

I hate the police, it maybe a landmark folding knife and one of the most famous Spyderco designs, but it has been surpassed by more modern desgins, i hate the handle on the thing.

Civilian/Matriarch i dont think that we need these anymore, the Civilian is really cool, and i "want one" but i dont think that my knife money would ever go towards such a specialized SD knife for an SD style i am not sure i agree with.

I like Young Cutter "hate them comboedges" but since so many regular folks like them keep most of them but some knives dont need combo edges, no one needs a Combo Edge Chinook, if you want a combo edge chinook you dont know what a chinook is for.

I live in the USA, i dont need a nonlocking knife, anywhere i go you are allowed a knife or not allowed a knife, some places may specify blade length (but you got that covered) but no where here is there a no locking rule. Kill the Pride.

The Spyder Wrench seems like it is impossible to get, and this is becomeing a harder and harder market to break into, seems like it is sucking up resorces that could be better applied to things that Spyderco does best.

Fixed blades: I like the perin, ronin, and spot; but i dont see a home for the others. I have no need for the Lum Tanto (dont like the handle for tactical and dont like the blade for utility, and i dont want to "Collect" it. The temperance is almost cool, keep the handle mold and find some other blade shape, that one is just not exciting enough and a little too big for carry. The Bill Moran looks like a great knife but i have no use for it.
 
Originally posted by LizardKing
I think that Carlos has everything right, but i also agree with Architect on killing the Stainless Delica, endura, and native, Poor blade steel and uncomfortable handles, the FNR ones are just much better in all but a few ways. I dont need a Stainless Harpy either.

I hate the police, it maybe a landmark folding knife and one of the most famous Spyderco designs, but it has been surpassed by more modern desgins, i hate the handle on the thing.
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The stainless Delica and Endura are two of my favorite working knives. So what it doesn't have a high end steel. They still take and keep a razor sharp edge for regular knife use. I don't see how you find the handles uncomfortable... To each his own I guess.
 
I say discontinue the pride, lum tanto, lum chinese, dragonfly, ladybug, the Moran fixed blades, the pro-grips, and the Vesuvious.
 
Please do keep the Gunting! Of course it is specialized, but there is no other source for such a wonderful design. I have voted with my wallet, and own 2 PE, 2 CE, a drone, and a CRMIPT. I look forward to buying several more when production resumes in S30V, and would like one in SE, or in CE with the serrations near the tip and the plain edge portion by the handle. The Police, IMHO, was made obsolete long ago by the Military on the upper end and the Endura and Delica on the lower end. Also, I am a police officer, and have never met a fellow officer actually carrying a Spyderco Police. The blade tip on the Police is just too delicate for use as a "tactical" knife. I tried one, and ever since I snapped off the tip I have used it for such glamourous chores as ripping out old carpet. The Jester made the Ladybug obsolete, IMHO, and in fact made most of the smaller Spydies obsolete, except for the Kiwi. I love my Kiwi, and would like to get another one or two someday. The Pride may not impress anyone, but it is necessary in a market where laws are being passed which restrict knives with certain features. The Ronin is a very good design. I have no strong opinions other than these. Did I say keep the Gunting? I also look forward to the Tusok, having seen a prototype while attending a recent Gunting seminar. EDIT: The Gunting needs the trainer as a companion blade, especially if an agency were to adopt it. Even if sales are slow, it should remain in the line as a service to current and future Gunting users, IMO. Some dealers offer the live blade and trainer as a package deal; perhaps the factory should encourage this.
 
Get rid of:
Pride - not too much exciting about this one. I think Spyderco has too many knives already in this size category.

Meerkat - Personal preference here but I can't stand the lock and the design is just plain fugly, especially the S-curve.

Salsa - All except the Ti version. Seems like such a gimicky design. This one arouses zero interest at HOK. The store has discontinued carrying this model.

Like Rex I say keep the Gunting. It is one of those that arouses a lot of interest and enthusiasm on all the forums.

The interest and support in BC alone should be enough to keep this one going IMO.
 
Well, Carlos pretty well summed it up for me. But here are my 2 bits: I say stick to your core stengths (tactical/MBC, utility) and dump everything else that does not fit. Multiple variants on the same design must be draining resources so dump all but the one or two best selling variants of those models with variants. Dump combo blades, please!
 
Cmon guys, Keep the Combo edges. They have a place on certain models (Delica for example).

In my job out to the field and cutting hard material without having to use or abuse my plain edge is GOOD TO GO!

I say again NOT FOR ALL MODELS (Gunting, Chinook, Vervius,etc).

Edit to add and correct spelling!


Bee's Wax can dull a plain edge knife ,serration teeths does the job for me and my Marines.
S/F,
Ceya >>Ceya Knife Designz
BA from
Grunt University..:D
 
a Delica in G-10 would be nice. especially with S30V, tip up/tip down carry along with the standard left/right. Many people love the 3" blade size and shape without going all out as with some of the other 3" or so models like the Gunting...

also, SS clips on G-10 looks classier than chipped black clips. Like how the Millie used to have before the switch.

forgive me if this has been answered before but why not framelocks instead of liner locks?

so a framelock Millie would be nice also with tip up/tip down carry or compression lock

continuing, IMO the handles of the FRN models are a bit too angular. Doesn't fit well in the hand. And liners would be really swell on them too like Griptilians...if cost needs to be kept down you oculd offer FRN models with liners with AUS6 or AUS8 like you already do with some SS models


and what about comboedges with the serrations in the FRONT portion instead? many critiques of CE concentrate on how it would be more useful to have the serrations in the front instead...

lastly, I think the Matriarch and Civilian are bad. The was they were always linked to being "restricted to LEOs and such because of their dangerousness" really does the opposite of what you intended. INstead of having a normal blade like the harpy and merlin, etc that were marketed for mor utility reasons you have a knife with basically the same features marketed to criminals and kids who want a "deadly kill all assailants" knife to carry around the streets.

Now that anybody can get a civie or matriarch the already established clout around both knives serves to enforce them being bought with the wrong intentions in mind. Any knife IMO is just as deadly. In most situations people stab as opposed to slashing. Both knives were created for slashing I know but the point is people who are looking to do damage to others will gravitate to them because of their reputation
 
I'd discontinue the following knives:

Matriarch
Impala
Catcherman
Salsa
Meerkat
Lil Temperance
ProGrip


The following knives are definitely keepers IMO:

Endura
Delica
Civilian
Fred Perrin
Military
Rescue
Ronin
Bob Lum Chinese Folder
Chinook
Dragonfly

Just my 0.02$.
 
Get rid of:
CE Chinook and CE Lum Tanto - These knives should only be PE
Meerkat - Don't like the locking

Keep:
Chinook II - Just started
Endura's and Delica's - these have Spyderco written all over them
and definately keep the Gunting, all models of it. The interest in this knife is amazing and its going to grow for sure.
 
Sal,

I'm sure that you must place the most emphasis on discontinuing those knives that don't sell well first.

From my limited perspective I agree with Carlos that the Matriarch can be dropped in favor of the Spyderhawk which is more practical and still large enoungh for self defense.

I think the point on the Lil Temperance trailing point design is weak so would favor the leaf staying and the TP going.

The Lum tanto folder doesn't appeal to me at all. The Lum tanto fixed blade doesn't seem very practical.

I love my Ronin but if I only had one Spyderco fixed blade it would be the Perrin first, Moran second, Temperance third, and Ronin last. Quite frankly I believe the folding version of the Ronin will be more practical.

I'm sure you'll find one or two "rabid" fans for every design. Maybe a final production run could satisfy them on less successful models.
 
Ok, since you have about 100 models listed, and want to knock out 25-35%...here's my take.

Take out the kitchen knife series - they may be awesome (and I wish I had the $$ to get a set), but as another poster said, you're essentially fighting for the leftover market share. That's an easy 5.
K04SBK Utility Knife – Black
K05SBK Small Utility Knife – Black
K05SRD Small Utility Knife – Red
K08P Santoku
K09P Paring Knife

Take out the multi-tools - again, these are an awesome design, but what is the market penetration? Any place that I go to that sells multitools sells Leatherman, Gerber, etc. That makes 8.
T01P SpydeRench
T01PS SpydeRench
T01S SpydeRench

Kill 2 out of 3 of the following - keep your favorite color. That makes 10.
C14SBK Rescue 93mm Black
C14SBL Rescue 93mm Blue
C14SOR Rescue 93mm Orange

Ditto for these. That makes 12.
C45SBK Rescue 79mm Black
C45SBL Rescue 79mm Blue
C45SOR Rescue 79mm Orange

Eliminate the serrated version of the small knives. That makes 21.
C28S Dragonfly Stainless
C28SBK Dragonfly FRN
C29S Cricket Stainless
C29SBK Cricket FRN
C64JSBK MeerKat
C64SBK2 MeerKat – Reverse S
C71PSTI Salsa – Titanium
C71BLPS Salsa – Blue
C71CBPS Salsa – Cranberry

Like Carlos said, the Jester is a worthy successor to the Ladybug. That makes 24.
LBK Ladybug – Black
LBL Ladybug – Blue
LRD Ladybug - Red

The trailing point doesn't seem to fit on the Lil T. So away it should go. That makes 25.
C69GP2 Lil’ Temperance Trailing Point
C69GS2 Lil’ Temperance Trailing Point

The SS version of the Native never really clicked with me. That makes 26.
C41PS Native Stainless

I dunno about tantos, but what the other poster said about serrations on a pure tanto made sense. That makes 27.
C46GPSBK Bob Lum Tanto – Black Blade

The Vesuvius should be made into a high-end design. That makes 29.
C66PBK Frank Centofante Vesuvius II
C66PSBK Frank Centofante Vesuvius II

Keep the Reverse S shape on the Cricket. That makes 30.
C64PBK2 MeerKat – Reverse S

The SS Delica and Endura series - not enough functionality added by using stainless handles. That makes 36.
C10P Endura Stainless
C10PS Endura Stainless
C10S Endura Stainless
C11P Delica Stainless
C11PS Delica Stainless
C11S Delica Stainless

Whew! That was hard! I don't envy your job... :)

Matthew
 
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