2007 Blade Show Cutting Competition- Why no Busse?

bearcut said:
Then why buy good steel?
Why all the talk about toughness, wear resistance and hardness?
Just practice a lot with an Old Hickory, is that it?

Of course technique is important, I never said it wasn't.

Busses either rule or they don't, and no amount of blogging on this or any other forum is going to change the fact that INFI is not winning knife contests.


At last count, over 3800 knife owners have viewed this thread. I'l bet a lot are watching to see if INFI enters or wins any contests from now on.

It's 2008. Powder steel is here. INFI is no longer #1. Get over it.
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so because there are no knives winning these contests, which is only ONE aspect of the knife hobby, then it is somehow no good?

maybe your the only one that cares about these cutting contests.

jerry busse sure seems to have little interest. and a competition is not a test.


what about s30v, 154cm, ats34, 440c, a2, or any other of the hundreds of available steels? go start a thread about those.

and while your at it, start another thread about why chris reeve, ernie emerson, greg lightfoot, steve johnson, or any one of hundreds of other knifemakers, arent entered in these contests that you hold so dear and believe are a tell all about a knife steel.
 
Well bearcut... you are really only going to get an answer from Jerry himself. So that is where you need to take this. Post this question on the Busse sub-forum here or, as Morimotom has suggested, contact him directly. Then let us know.

Other than that we can't really give you the answers you want.
 
Morimoto,

No other knife owners from other manufactures go rabid when someone implies that their knive brand may not be all they say it is.

Busse owners are the only people I see on this forum that routinely claim their knives are better than any others. If Randall or Chris Reeve owners made the same claims that Busse owners do, I would call them on the carpet as well. But they don't. They don't brag or make wild claims, so I don't ask them to prove it.

Busse owners widely claim that INFI is the be all, end all, and go crazy if anyone dares to question them.

I have never seen rants from other owners of other knife brands. Even Sebbie owners maintain their dignity.

I tried to get my hands on a Busse, [smaller badger],for a couple of years. After reading the insane rants of many Busse owners like you, I decided that unless I see real proof of how good INFI is, I don't want to be associated with the brand. Since none of you wants to chance entering a contest with your dear little blades, I figure INFI really isn't all that great anyway. It must hurt you INFI guys very much to know that there are superior steels available now.

Goodbye
 
Sam Salvati said:
Yeah, I tend to get lost in an argument sometimes without even remembering what it was about, damn internet........

Thanks Jaxx:D, it is a little less than 1/4 thick at the base, tapering towards the tip. It has an almost slightly forged in diamond cross section in that the center ridge you can see is the thickest part. The forward edge tapers down muchmore than the spine bevel though, and then tapers again on the polished part. The customer who bought that one cut pumpkins, 1 inch thick oak branches, bottles filled with water he loves it and I could not be more proud, he has some exceptional peices in his collection but tells me he shows anyone that one first. Has recently informed me a few weeks ago he had to touch up the edge for the very first time, only a couple strokes and it was back as it was when i sent it. That seax is my best work yet, Amboyna burl for the handles dyed blood red, hammer finish spine with satin finish edge, nice leather sheath. Oops rambling again, don't get me talking about knife or swordmaking:D...
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LOL, why not? Ain't that why we're here? :D:D Well, I like that one a lot, it's very cool! :D:thumbup:
...I hear you about customs, got a few myself from good folks like Dan Koster, Murray Carter, Bob Dozier, Todd Begg, Shane Sibert, David Mosier, Tom Krein... Folders from Greg Lightfoot, Rick Hinderer (Including my favorite EDC folder, the XM-18), Allen Elishewitz, Chuck Gedritis, Tom Mayo, Phil Boguszewski, Larry Chew, and at least a few others not coming to mind at the moment, but still great makers. :thumbup: (Man, I hope that I spelled everyone's name right!)
 
bearcut said:
Morimoto,

No other knife owners from other manufactures go rabid when someone implies that their knive brand may not be all they say it is.

Busse owners are the only people I see on this forum that routinely claim their knives are better than any others. If Randall or Chris Reeve owners made the same claims that Busse owners do, I would call them on the carpet as well. But they don't. They don't brag , so I don't ask them to prove it.

Busse owners widely claim that INFI is the be all, end all, and go crazy if anyone dares to question them.

I have never seen rants from other owners of other knife brands. Even Sebbie owners maintain their dignity.

I tried to get my hands on a Busse for a couple of years. After reading the insane rants of many Busse owners like you, I decided that unless I see real proof of how good INFI is, I don't want to be associated with the brand. Since none of you wants to chance entering a contest with your dear little blades, I figure INFI really isn't all that great anyway.

Goodbye
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nice backpeddle in attempting to make your thread seem like a simple request/question.

we have already established it is not such, and that you are a troll, who keeps on trolling regardless of the direction the thread goes.

i dont enter these contests because i dont particularly care about them, nor am i of the belief that my knife will win any contest on its own. and in the end, what would winning prove anyway?


yeah, infi isnt that great. dont buy it. who cares?


and please point us all to how you came to the conclusions i have highlighted. if you actually payed any attention at all, you would see that the vast majority of busse owners collect knives from many other makers, myself included.

what is most annoying, is people like you who spend so much time and energy to crap on what other people enjoy.
 
bearcut said:
Morimoto,

No other knife owners from other manufactures go rabid when someone implies that their knive brand may not be all they say it is.

Busse owners are the only people I see on this forum that routinely claim their knives are better than any others. If Randall or Chris Reeve owners made the same claims that Busse owners do, I would call them on the carpet as well. But they don't. They don't brag , so I don't ask them to prove it.

Busse owners widely claim that INFI is the be all, end all, and go crazy if anyone dares to question them.

I have never seen rants from other owners of other knife brands. Even Sebbie owners maintain their dignity.

I tried to get my hands on a Busse for a couple of years. After reading the insane rants of many Busse owners like you, I decided that unless I see real proof of how good INFI is, I don't want to be associated with the brand. Since none of you wants to chance entering a contest with your dear little blades, I figure INFI really isn't all that great anyway.

Goodbye
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LOL, are you serious with that? There's a whole exchange FULL of Busse's for sale right now, and many pieces darn close to the original cost... As a matter of fact I know of someone who's selling some Game Wardens LOWER than original cost... By 27 bucks (not including the shipping he paid... So maybe more like $32-35 lower!) I'd say that you're not trying very hard. Years, you say? LMAO ...And we're the only ones who go crazy? You've NEVER seen a rant by any other owner of any other brand? Ummm, ok. LOL ...Again, I say that you're not looking very hard. Frankly, I don't know why any of us try to defend our favorite knife company from folks such as yourself... Please, sir, don't buy a Busse!!!! (Just leaves MORE for us, thanks!) :D
 
bearcut said:
Since none of you wants to chance entering a contest with your dear little blades, I figure INFI really isn't all that great anyway. It must hurt you INFI guys very much to know that there are superior steels available now.

Goodbye
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Well I think we are at an impasse then. INFI is not good because the average Busse user will not enter a contest huh? Then that's that. What's left to discuss?

I have no idea what the ultimate steel is. I just know I like Busse knives and they have not let me down. I am sure there are plenty other knives that would/will do the same.

If you ever find yourself in So. Cal. please bring a knife and I will go toe to toe with you in testing our knives. Win or loose it'd be good stuff. :thumbup: I love real life results.
 
bearcut said:
It must hurt you INFI guys very much to know that there are superior steels available now.
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Goodbye
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Gentlemen, start your stopwatches....
 
bearcut said:
No other knife owners from other manufactures go rabid when someone implies that their knive brand may not be all they say it is.



Goodbye
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No other knife manufatcures? Have you not visited any other big maker with a large following??? I can name at least a half dozen that would literally crucify anyone coming in with an off color remark. Even some non knife maker forums have thier fan based knives that one does not dare comment lightly about. You really should get out of the house more.

My attempt here is to not specifically name any company or fan base it just causes more trouble than you already have.
 
bearcut said:
go rabid

brag or make wild claims,

go crazy

rants

insane rants

dear little blades,

hurt
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bearcut, i would hardly call it rabid when we comment on the blades we collect and use. i also collect reeve folders and would gladly jump in to any conversation and discuss the pros and cons of a reeve blade. busse knife owners don't go to the other forums touting their blades unless the topic moves to busse's and warrants that discussion.

your choice of words "rabid, brag, wild claims, go crazy, rants, well nevermind...

i will gladly enter any contest with you and your choice of blades.

bring it !


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idahoskunk said:
bearcut, i would hardly call it rabid when we comment on the blades we collect and use. i also collect reeve folders and would gladly jump in to any conversation and discuss the pros and cons of a reeve blade. busse knife owners don't go to the other forums touting their blades unless the topic moves to busse's and warrants that discussion.

your choice of words "rabid, brag, wild claims, go crazy, rants, well nevermind...

i will gladly enter any contest with you and your choice of blades.

bring it !


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Sick em skunk!!!

er, well, wait till I get up wind though. ;) :eek:

I saw the rabies tag so I know yer not rabid. :) Got mine last week. :cool:

but ............... can we have lemon koolaid nex time, I really hate grape :barf:
 
This whole cutting contest thing being any indication that the winning knife is somehow better reminds me of the marketing used for Golf clubs.

You put any brand in Tiger Woods’ bag and he wins, it doesn’t prove anything about the clubs. That is why he gets paid $XX,000,000 a year to use certain products.

Same thing with Michael Jordan and basketball shoes… he could have played better than most with street shoes.

The cutting competitions find the best competitor not the best knife.
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Thought you guys might like to see this one, though it DEFINATELY does not fit into the knife category:D. This is my current project, double edge, 1084, diamond cross section. 29 1/4 inch blade, 38 inches overall.
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Looks like crap now but give me a few weeks.
 
Tony G said:
This whole cutting contest thing being any indication that the winning knife is somehow better reminds me of the marketing used for Golf clubs.
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The cutting competitions find the best competitor not the best knife.
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tony... we are playing for gril friends....
now go get a drink :)
 
idahoskunk said:
tony... we are playing for gril friends....
now go get a drink :)
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You have one... and Vicksnort too? You HOG!! :cool: :thumbup:

I put up a magnetic bull's eye board under my regular board and just got beat 6-1 by a seven year-old.:grumpy:
 
bearcut said:
I've only kept track of the last couple of years of cutting competitions so I may be wrong here. How come Busse knives never enter these contests? Chopping wood, followed by slashing and slicing tests, followed by another wood chopping test, seems like a very real world example of how well a blade performs, [and might be used in a survival situation]. Wouldn't these tests show that INFI steel works as good or better than anything else out there? Nobody in his right mind would use his blade to chop through a cinder block like the Busse demo anyway, so why not show that INFI is at least good at the Blade show tests? [Or at least the top ten}

Yes, I saw that the competitors all used M4 steel, which is not available to the general public in production knives. INFI isn't available in other knives either, so a comparison test using INFI and M4 would be apples to apples.

Entering this contest and winning it year after year would certainly put an end to any arguements about the "Ultimate" knife steel. {non-stainless}

http://www.bladesports.org/past_events.htm
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Although, I feel that Steven answered you (below) about as well as can be answered, I will add to it.

The cutting competition is not a test of how great a knife is. This test is a one day event that tests the skill of a knifemaker in optimizing a knife for the specific test. It also encourages knifemakers to become very skilled at performing the competitions. It is much like the log chopping competitions with axes. The specific steel is not relevant in these tests as the overal durability of the steel is not tested as that would take months. A knifemaker who wins is usually very talented at grinding the perfect edge on the knife and very talented at performing the tests. Think about the steels being used, 1095, 1084, 52100 5160, W2, M4 cpm3V and even some stainless steels. It is not about the steel.

Does INFI hold an edge (no pun intended) over these other steels in this test? No, not at all, since the advantages steels like INFI, cpm3V and other high speed steels offer are not apparent in this competition.

I hope this along with Stevens post sufficiently explains things to you:thumbup:


Kohai999 said:
Basically...from what you have posted....you don't have much of a clue.

It is not the steel...it is a combination of the steel, the knife, and the cutter...EVERY TIME...end of story.

If you want to....and have the ability, which I doubt....you could have a Battle Mistress custom ground at the Busse Factory, or better yet, have Bill Seigle work it to your specific requirements...then go cut in one of the ICCT competitions....NOTHING is stopping you.

I was the only non-maker to compete at the OKCA two years running, when they still did the contest, and I whiffed, both times, and it wasn't the knife, it was me.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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