2018 BF Traditional Knife

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olywa said:
I like that Buck is in the mix here. I still have my old 110 from 1972. I don't carry it much but I will be sending it off to Buck soon for the spa treatment. My little 309 in brass and rosewood is the Buck I carry most. Good snap and about a 5 on pull. I had a 301 and a 303 but gave them away because the pull was so soft. Fit and finish were nothing to brag on but they were decent users.

As far as selecting a Buck for a 2018 forum knife, I'm more intrigued by something a little more pocketable than the 110/112, and with generally better fit and finish than the 301/303. How about a 55 in copper and cocobolo with a cpm154 or s35vn drop point blade and a pinned shield? Buck has already used copper on the 110 so maybe that would be something they would tackle.
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Ooooo. I really like the copper and cocobolo idea. My Ka-Bar copper Barlow is a real treat.
 
SV-97 said:
Example picture trapper
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Example Stockman
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Opinions? :D
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Well, I need another 2 blade trapper about as much as I need another hole in my head.

That stockman looks sweet though! Especially decked out in those snakewood covers!!! I’d be on board for just about any configuration but I think my favorite set up would be either the single clip as shown, or with the addition of a standard coping blade or a short wharncliffe.

Thanks for making the call!
 
SV-97 said:
Ok just got off the phone with Robert Klaas (over half an hour, oomph).
First off I inquired mainly for trapper and stockman patterns.
Here's a few points I noted down:
  • 100% handmade in Solingen(more on that later)
  • Steel is pretty much locked to 1.4034 or 440C on some models
  • Possible materials include: Micarta, Wood, Stag(Deer Stag)
  • Some woods are on a protected list and would make them rather costly to use
  • Minimum is ~100, no maximum
  • As an example price a two-blade mid-size trapper (~10cm closed) with custom tang-stamp and stag handles would be around 90€ (of course with increased number of knives comes lower price)
  • If we can decide us to june getting them in 2018 should be no problem
  • Delivery is usually in a cardboard box (damascus knives in wooden box) and they produce leather slips (veg-tan German sourced) as an option
  • If direct delivery to the US is wanted we need either a reseller from Germany (If we want Hen&Rooster or something on there) or a custom tangstamp (like "Handmade in Germany for: Bladeforums - Stainless" or so)
  • Custom shield with logo etc. is an option (I think they only use shields with stag handles)
Example picture trapper
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Example Stockman
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As for production: They're 100% handmade in Solingen, mainly directly at their manufactory. They outsource stuff like heat-treat or lasering to the general "Solingen-Ecosystem" (Pretty much the whole town is knife business)

The guy on the phone was very nice and if we have further questions we're free to ask him.

Also they're starting a run of trappers and stockmans in the near future which we could jump onto.

Opinions? :D
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The knives pictured are "Hen & Rooster" brand knives which is owned by Frost Cutlery. Here is a link to AG Russell's website with a little background. I think the blades are made with steel from Germany but the knife itself likely is not. Note what @Jack Black said earlier about Klaas.

https://agrussell.com/knives/brand/Hen-Rooster-Knives

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- Kevin
 
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veitsi_poika said:
The knives pictured are "Hen & Rooster" brand knives which is owned by Frost Cutlery. Here is a link to AG Russell's website with a little background. I think the blades are made with steel from Germany but the knife itself likely is not. Note what @Jack Black said earlier about Klaas.

https://agrussell.com/knives/brand/Hen-Rooster-Knives

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- Kevin
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As said, Frost own hen&rooster for the US, Klaas for Germany/Europe. Frost does whatever they want and Klaas produces 100% in Solingen.
 
Arr you saying that there are two different manufacturers currently making Hen & Rooster knives? Both of which supposedly have Solingen made blades, one then made completely in Solingen and then the other in Asia? If that’s the case, I would pass completely. How would anyone actually know for sure where it was manufactured and if it contained quality parts.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but reading what @Jack Black wrote and seeing that the name is owned by Frost Cutlery.... something sounds a bit off to me.
 
SV-97 said:
Never quite got that mentality but hey, to each his own
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Here is my view of the buy American.

Your most powerful vote is with each dollar you spend. It is likely far more powerful than voting in an election.

I will always buy from my neighbors and countrymen before all others, and then from a 1st world democratic/republican country (must have labor laws, fair wages, minimal exploitation of poverty) such as EU countries, New Zealand/Australia, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, etc.

Buying from say, China, only enriches the Chinese military government and armed forces, a US importer, and their stuff is never built right or built well.

I do not understand why someone would buy goods or engage in trade with a country with actual slave labor. The world would be better if people understood each dollar spent is a vote for liberty or a vote for oppression.
 
draggat said:
Arr you saying that there are two different manufacturers currently making Hen & Rooster knives? Both of which supposedly have Solingen made blades, one then made completely in Solingen and then the other in Asia? If that’s the case, I would pass completely. How would anyone actually know for sure where it was manufactured and if it contained quality parts.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but reading what @Jack Black wrote and seeing that the name is owned by Frost Cutlery.... something sounds a bit off to me.
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As far als I understand that, yes. There's a YouTube Video(review for some Klaas knife) where it's explained if you want the details. You'd know because of box etc. And of course it would be ordered directly from Klaas. If that's a deadblow-argument for you guys so be it, I'd also be onboard with a 20CV buck etc. ;)
 
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Elgatodeacero said:
Here is my view of the buy American.

Your most powerful vote is with each dollar you spend. It is likely far more powerful than voting in an election.

I will always buy from my neighbors and countrymen before all others, and then from a 1st world democratic/republican country (must have labor laws, fair wages, minimal exploitation of poverty) such as EU countries, New Zealand/Australia, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, etc.

Buying from say, China, only enriches the Chinese military government and armed forces, a US importer, and their stuff is never built right or built well.

I do not understand why someone would buy goods or engage in trade with a country with actual slave labor. The world would be better if people understood each dollar spent is a vote for liberty or a vote for oppression.
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I think there is a different forum for that topic.

A wise man once said...

"ix-Nay on the olitical-Pay opic-Tay."
 
Elgatodeacero said:
Here is my view of the buy American.

Your most powerful vote is with each dollar you spend. It is likely far more powerful than voting in an election.

I will always buy from my neighbors and countrymen before all others, and then from a 1st world democratic/republican country (must have labor laws, fair wages, minimal exploitation of poverty) such as EU countries, New Zealand/Australia, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, etc.

Buying from say, China, only enriches the Chinese military government and armed forces, a US importer, and their stuff is never built right or built well.

I do not understand why someone would buy goods or engage in trade with a country with actual slave labor. The world would be better if people understood each dollar spent is a vote for liberty or a vote for oppression.
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The world is a complicated place. Us buying from China has actually improved life for many in that country. Sure the wages are lower, but they also don't need as much to live. Their middle class has been growing. Things will get better the more money and education the average citizen receives.

The quality of Chinese knives can be mediocre to very good. A.G. Russell is a great example of good knives made in China (some, not all come from China)... Rough Rider is a decent knife.

I buy Made in the USA just to support my country, but it doesn't mean I won't buy from somewhere else. I have some tools that are made in China, but if I had only considered the USA equivalent, it would be too expensive for me to justify..... it just depends. The world is a complicated place.
 
100% this knife should be made in the USA.

I’m down for whatever all your minds put together. Copper, long pulls, full flat grinds, and rams horn have my attention.
 
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