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Pass me my colandar hat and tin foil.... The event that took place was about 40min from me. I do have to say if there was a training mission around my house I'd still be camped out armed to the teeth inside peeking through the windows
 
Yes sir it is the 10,

Newfie's used to sail down the coast and ended up in Jamaica. They would trade their molasses and other goods, in exchange the Jamaicans showed them how to make rum. The sugars used to make it give it a distinct flavor of rum. Really similar to aged Jamaican dark rum :)

Thanks Trade, I carry the essentials to survival in that bag! rum included.
 
james terrio said:
I just find it a little odd that we're continually being conditioned to accept increasing militarization on our streets and even in our schools as being not only normal, but "neat".

*shrug*
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In some instances, I would agree. In the case of the practice of training in a school environment, I don't think it applies as a militarization of a police force. Before the patriot act, the use of the US military on US soil was not permitted (unless of course, we had been invaded). That is what the National Guard was for. As well, the National Guard is under control of the Governor of a State, and not the Federal Government. I think it behooves a police force, if one expects them to render action in a situation, to practice. Practice in a location in which a situation might occur is what they do. The fire department in this area, burns down seized crack houses, seized condemned property, and old buildings set to be demolished. Again, I don't believe the police force practicing serious situations in a "live" atmosphere constitutes "militarization". We have hurricane and disaster drills in live scenarios regularly here. Especially since I work for local government, I am expected to report for disaster duty as part of my public service. I am assigned post-event damage assessment, and have actively done it after we were stomped on by hurricanes in 2004. If police, fire, EMT, etc. fail to act in an emergency, then we are damned for failure to render public service. If we do act, we "militarized" and damned yet again... You can't have it both ways.

My 2 cents. These are my opinions and worth exactly what you paid for them.

Doc
 
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james terrio said:
They don't have blueprints to study? They can't do a dry run when the school is closed? They have to make a spectacle of it? What's that cost the city/county? Of course you realize a lot of that money comes from federal/Homeland Security "grants", and if they don't burn it up this year they won't get their $$$$ next year. Once this kinda thing starts, it never seems to go away.

I dunno, I never understood a lot of that stuff. When I was in school there were a couple bomb threats. So they packed us all up and had us assemble in the gym each time, instead of getting the hell out like a normal fire drill. Now if it had been for real, don'tcha think the bad guy would figure that out and put the bomb in the gym? :confused: :rolleyes:
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When I was in school, we had "atomic bomb attack drills" Hide under your desk... Like that would have helped. Used to do the same thing for Tornadoes.. That could help.

Doc
 
GSO1962 said:
...And another thing....

I am somewhat peeved with the evolving definition, at least here in the US, of the term "civilian." Based on international law, a civilian is a non-combatant, or someone not a member of the armed forces or militia. In contrast, here in the US, police and firefighting forces are also considered to not be civilians. While I greatly respect both professions, and have family members in both, I regard them as being in public service, not the military, and they are therefore civilians.

Rant over. Thank you.
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Most of the LEO's I know think of themselves as Public Servants, not military. But believe me, as a public servant myself, the Public doesn't see you as a civilian. At least, not around here.

Doc
 
GingivitisKahn said:
Of course, it also prepares we, the people for the look and feel of a police state. You know, should that ever be a thing.

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Beckerhead #42
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I am at a loss as to how you arrived at that conclusion from my statement. It must be that I do not think like you. But, I do not, have not, and will not abide a police state. I will not carry on further as this is not a political discussion environment.

Doc
 
I think its time to offer a little smoke and go relax for the night.

g'night folks
 
So I'm thinking about putting together a new AR style rifle.

Anybody have any experience with the 300 blackout? What is your impression of the round?

Doc
 
TBL said:
Yes sir it is the 10,

Newfie's used to sail down the coast and ended up in Jamaica. They would trade their molasses and other goods, in exchange the Jamaicans showed them how to make rum. The sugars used to make it give it a distinct flavor of rum. Really similar to aged Jamaican dark rum :)

Thanks Trade, I carry the essentials to survival in that bag! rum included.
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I shall have to acquire some of this elixir to sample it. Possibly even compare it to the Jamaica rum I keep on hand.
 
Doc_Savage said:
So I'm thinking about putting together a new AR style rifle.

Anybody have any experience with the 300 blackout? What is your impression of the round?

Doc
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I've heard good things but I have no experience myself. I like the idea of it though,if that helps any LOL!
 
I hate to be exacerbating a political debate but find the irony of the fact my wife and I were just talking about the exact same thing ironic. (redundant?) Doc had some pretty good points and when talking with my wife I used this analogy. Any direct judgment of the subject is based off of speculation based off of the persons history and therefore pretty much irrelevant to reality. I used the example of a chef to mirror the police. The chef needs specific tools to do his job proficiently. In this case a sharp knife would be the tool. A person with a sharp knife can be a master chef or a psycho killer. It all depends on the intentions of the person wielding the tool. You wouldn't tell a chef that he can't use a sharp knife to do his job because that knife could be used to slaughter people. You wouldn't tell the police that they can only carry wheel guns when a lot of military weapons can be bought OTC. They would be outmatched and unable to do their jobs efficiently. It's one of those situations where you cant legitimately argue for either side because it all depends on the intentions of the individuals wielding the tools. I have been around military, police, and fire all my life. Statistically speaking you have to have "A-hole" cops that abuse power. The shear number of LEO's guarantee that. There are plenty of useless FF's and soldiers. It's unavoidable. To base an opinion solely off of the "risqué" stories that get publicity is an opinion based off of ignorance. I can tell you that if you get pulled over in 100 degree GA summer heat and the officer gets out of his squad wearing driving gloves you can guess where he falls in the spectrum.

I guess the TLDR of the story is that you cant have them equipped to protect and leashed at the same time.

On a side note as a veteran and a FF I never considered FF's as non-civilian but always thought of LEO's as non-civilian. Odd.
 
It a very versatile round. If you have a suppressor it's the fricken bee's knees to be able to drop to subsonic with only a mag change. If not then you are missing the only "real" advantage of the round.
 
Speaking of rum, Nautilus is off Jamaica right now. :D
 
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