3 tools

But it was already stated that anvil and forge are two seperate entities, so it goes without saying that forge/quench tank are seperate.
 
i think yes the forge and quench tank are seperate but at the same time like was said before a simple puddle or stream will suffice as a quench tank and i dont think they should use up one of your choices. this is all getting very technical.

lets say this assuming that all steel needs heat treated maybe the forge should be a free be meaning it dont count as a tool. cause not all knives need a mill,drill press, file, power hammer, bandsaw, ect. those are all impliments of choice which goes back to orig. quest. 3 choices

but really no knife can be made to its max capabilities unless its heat treated. unless of course your steel comes prehardened either way maybe the forge should just be a given.
 
lets say this assuming that all steel needs heat treated maybe the forge should be a free be meaning it dont count as a tool. cause not all knives need a mill,drill press, file, power hammer, bandsaw, ect. those are all impliments of choice which goes back to orig. quest. 3 choices
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Atakach, That is ok with me because after all the guys that are going to do stock removeal won't be using a forge and so would get one extra tool over the forgers. So lets start a list of rules:

1. Only three tools can be used. forges don't count as a tool but hammers and tongs do?
2. quench should be done in water unless the quench tank and oil are counted as a tool
3. It is allowable to make tools to use as long as only your three tools are used to make them.
4. belts count as part of the grinder. you can set up your grinder any way you want but after you start the knife it cannot be changed.

Additionally I think that if one guy makes his knife with only his three original tools and another guy makes x amount of tools the first guy should get "points" for using only his first three choices this will help level the playing field if the first guy's knife is not quite as nice as the second guys.
The knives should be judged as to number of pieces fit finish whatever else is appropriate.

any other ideas?
 
I think it's impossible to do without an incredible game of semantics and criticizing of the rules.

How is a forge NOT a tool?

So how about hand sanding... the sanding block isn't a tool?

Is your bench vise not a tool?

I think it would be extremely difficult even if you said 10 tools.

Not to be a party pooper... but... Oh wait. Yes, that is exactly where I was going with this ;)

I think you're going to have to change your game or you're just going to end up with a lot of people upset. And cheaters!!! :p
 
atakach,
Your knife with holes drilled, shaped by some tool, and heat treated would require at least four tools. A drill ,a file/grinder/hammer & anvil, a forge/oven, something to hold the hot blade with (tongs).
I agree the quenchant is not a tool, as anything can be used as a container and many natural liquids would work.

Lets have some fun on this:

This weekend we should all make a knife with three tool of your choice.
Take any piece of steel you want ,any handle material in the form it is normally found in.Block of wood/stag crown/pair of scales. Other additions must be raw material in form(leather/pin stock/sheet brass with no holes or slots/steel/cord/wire/etc.), no finished products ( pre-made guards,etc.), no glue is allowed.
Each tool is a separate unit, but the materials for the tool are part of it. Grinder/belts, drill/bits. You must use the tool ,not program it ( no CNC mills).
Let's allow a dremmel and accessory bits (which is really making it a variety of tools - saw,drill,grinder,sander,polisher,etc.)
It has to have a handle that is firmly secured in some fashion.
It has to be properly hardened and tempered.
Quenchant will be air,water ,or brine, and does not count as a tool.
You have 24 hours to make it in.

No other tools can be use beyond the three you choose:
No additional knives, pliers, wrenches, taps,drills,scissors,punches,chisels,saws,etc.

Making more tools is not using only three tools. Regardless of how you obtained them, more that three is still more than three.

To avoid getting silly, let's all agree that the required tooling to operate a tool is part of the tool (But can't be used for any other function) . Thus the wrench/key/bit/etc. to set up the grinder/drill/mill are not separate tools.

A hammer is a tool, a file is a tool ( but you can use several different files),an anvil is a tool, a tong is a tool , a forge is a tool, an oven is a tool,a grinder, a drill press, a mill,a file,vise,C-clamp,whetstone,sandpaper,etc.

Since we are all having fun, lets all keep it fair. You are on your honor to use ONLY the three tools, and do it start to finish in 24 hours.
Write up the entire process, telling what you did with the tools.Attach photos of the knife.

Are you guys up for this?
Stacy
 
3 tools :D:D:D

What are you a glutton for punishment. :eek: Lets see, if I had to use a file, saw and a drill bit, no drill could be used if you could only have 3 tools. Hell I'm going to wal-mart, you can buy a knife there for the price of a good file and still have money left for a cold beer. I do believe you'll be way ahead of the game too, because with those 3 tools you ain't going to have much of a anything, little lone a knife. :D

Good Luck,

Bill
 
I use a file, and it takes me way longer than 24 hrs! (maybe because i do it for an hour and get bored!)
 
Sounds fun stacy. I am in and I chose forge power hammer and belt grinder. Just a couple of questions before I start. 1. Twenty four hours of working on the knife or just twenty four hours. are you allowing tooling for the power hammer or press or just a single set of dies.
 
hey Wheeler don't be a whiner, Stand up act like you have a big harry pair, pick three tools and go for it. I dare you.
 
Bill-


I'm just a spectator, so I can whine all day!!! ;) :p

I think it's a cool idea, I guess I forgot that part.... I just don't see how it's possible.

About the only thing I can imagine is a blade forged totally on the hammer, cleaned up on the grinder, and heat-treated in the forge. You will have to do a blacksmith style handle... no wood. Maybe a leather or cord wrap.... cuz you would need a tool to drill a wood block or split it for handles... drill the holes through the tang, etc.

If you don't use a power hammer and a long bar of parent stock, then you already have to forfeit. Because then you would need a forge, an anvil, a hammer, and tongs.... that's 4 tools without even doing any finish work! Maybe you can hang onto that hot steel with your dick beaters but I can't man up to that! :o :D

If I did do it, and won... could my prize be three weeks off work to catch up on order stuff?!?!?! ;) :D
 
Heh, that's my issue with this nick, if you count hammer, forge, anvil as tools, then that's the limit right there. As my prior post illustrated, I could do this fine if I were allowed to make my other tools using just those 3 initially, but without the ability to do so it's impossible without expensive multifunction power tools. I don't have a power hammer, which is a hammer and anvil in one so that means my hammer and anvil count as 2 tools. If i were a stock remover i could get away with counting my grinder and all my belts as one tool, and already be ahead of any forger.

If you did this stock removal you could claim 3 tools as belt grinder, tongs, heat treat oven, and you'd be ahead of the game over everyone else, and at such an advantage over someone who wanted to forge so that they need not apply.

I think this is a better mind game than anything to make an actual contest out of =P
 
Nick my dick skinners aren't tuff enough to hang onto hot steel. I was planning on using a long bar like you mentioned. With that brand new 100lb power hammer I would think that you would be up for this little exercise.
 
Lets forget the 24 hours, and make it a week ( post photos on March 24th). Some folks will need more time.
The tooling for a tool does not count as separate tools (drill/bits,power hammer/dies, grinder/belts,etc.)
Separate tools used together do count as two tools. (hammer and anvil=2,forge and tongs=2,etc.)

I think I can do it with two tools. It will be a full wooden handled knife with complete HT.
Think this out, eliminating tools as you mentally use them. It is doable with three easily, two with some planning.
Stacy
 
Stacy, I can see two tools. If I did stock removal and started with hardened steel A grinder and a drill or mill.
 
Maybe the question should be "Why the hell would I only want to use 3 tools?"

Whit, If you ground and re-heat treated you would have had to use a grinder and at least an oven...2 tools.:p:D sorry...

Stacy, Hardend steel...I could see just using a dremmel for everything else.


But like I said why?;)
Mace
 
You are correct Mace, 2 tools. Oh, and about 10 tools for the sheath........damn!
 
I'm talking about starting with a bar of plain unprepared steel and a block of wood. Only two tools, no other items at all. No using something else as a tool,making a tool,etc.

If you start with hardened steel it has already been processed with tools.
Stacy

I have the St. Patrick's Day parade tomorrow, bu I will try to make a knife Sunday afternoon.
Stacy
 
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