$400 for a stinkin' folder. Are you nuts?

Hair said:
I show no disrespect for your choices, so why show disrespect for mine?

Yeah, your comment below was certainly not meant to be disrespectful. :rolleyes:

Hair said:
If you believe that, well, that is very cute.

In all fairness I did put smilies after quoting allenC's comments about idiots and losers buying $400 knives. I thought it was funny. Again, I hope your next knife purchase brings you much joy and happiness.
 
I said I show no disrespect for your choices,. This is true.

I do have no respect for your attitude and ignorance. That is what I was making fun of. Not your choice in knives.

See the difference?
 
Hair,
Out of curiosity, when you cut or chop the metal strappings at work, does your knife require a little touch up or a genuine sharpening to bring the blade back. Or does it not really affect the blade? When you mentioned that, I found that more useful to me than someone talking about batonning limbs and what-not. It's the same as prying staples or other things like that. I find hard-use in a work environment more interesting than otudoor use in a camp setting. For outdoor use, I'm more likely to use a hatchet for hard use.
 
Hair said:
I said I show no disrespect for your choices,. This is true.

I do have no respect for your attitude and ignorance. That is what I was making fun of. Not your choice in knives.

Lot's of WORDS...

You know, for someone that is so adamant about the virtues of quality and fit-and-finish, don't you find it ironic that you drive around in a $22K Dodge Neon? :rolleyes:
 
Hair said:
I do have no respect for your attitude and ignorance. That is what I was making fun of. Not your choice in knives.

The feeling is mutual. You disrespected and belittled my choices and opininons on knives by calling them "cute". Yet, I'm close minded and ignorant? Pot, meet kettle. I guess the comment I quoted about idiots and losers must have struck a little too close to home for you. :jerkit:

I think Sebenzas, Striders and similar knives are great. But like I said they do not motivate me to spend $400. That is all I meant. From what I've seen you've got a great collection. But I am happy with my knives and, like many others on this site, I do just fine without breaking the bank on a knife. Can you understand that? Can you see my point of view?
 
symphonyincminor said:
You know, for someone that is so adamant about the virtues of quality and fit-and-finish, don't you find it ironic that you drive around in a $22K Dodge Neon? :rolleyes:

I don't agree with some of Hair's comments, but this is a low blow lacking in tack. Why don't you just question his lack of ownership of a Lear jet or 40 foot luxury yacht?
 
I have come to believe that some on this list, Love to Pet the cat backwards! And You wont last long here if you are thin skinned, That said, UPS assures me that my new Ruckus should be in my hands on Monday. Sole income provider for 5, it took 6 months to save 165.00 for my newest Blade. I drive a 10-year-old Yukon, If I drove a new Escalade, I would probably still have a Benchmade in my right front pocket, but I live in the real world. This argument boils down to your Passion and Pocketbook.
 
It just seems to me we all have different tastes in knives including price, design, materials and function. Some of those that have more expensive tastes are willing (or able) to spend more to satisfy that.

Not so much different then cars. homes, watches, cameras, clothes or any of the other long lists of things we could come up with.

Have a great weekend guys and gals! I'm going fishing! I'll be using the fly rod I had custom made last summer.
 
I’m jealous Peregrin. I hope to return to Reindeer Lake in Northern Saskatchewan. Last time we caught many 48 in northern Pike. Have Fun
 
flipe8 said:
Hair,
Out of curiosity, when you cut or chop the metal strappings at work, does your knife require a little touch up or a genuine sharpening to bring the blade back. Or does it not really affect the blade? When you mentioned that, I found that more useful to me than someone talking about batonning limbs and what-not. It's the same as prying staples or other things like that. I find hard-use in a work environment more interesting than otudoor use in a camp setting. For outdoor use, I'm more likely to use a hatchet for hard use.
Sometimes there is visable rolling on the edge that doesn't noticable effect cutting. Sometimes there is no visable damage at all. I haven't had the edge become so damaged that it needed repair. My Strider will sometimes sustain some edge deformation from cutting metal strapping, but it happens less often than with most of my other knives, especially some of my great slicers like my Military. My BM210 is good at this as well.

symphonyincminor said:
You know, for someone that is so adamant about the virtues of quality and fit-and-finish, don't you find it ironic that you drive around in a $22K Dodge Neon? :rolleyes:
No, it isn't ironic.

Cars are not knives and the prices are not similar. There are things about knives that I don't look for in cars and vise-versa. In cars I prefer simple and stripped down. Just performance. In knives I can appreciate quality and materials in addition to pure performance.

I cannot afford a new Ferrari. But I can afford the Ferrari of knives. I can afford some older Ferraris such as a 308, which can be had for the same price as an SRT-4. But the SRT-4 is a much better overall car, IMO. Faster and more reliable. Better fit and finish too. I still want a 308, though, but I cannot afford two cars.

The SRT-4 is, IMO, the best car for the money. Period. It outperforms everything else in the price range (in terms of new cars- and I wanted a new car) and I like the look and feel of it. It is the Spyderco of cars in terms of price/performance and a lack of any luxury pretense. I could not afford a $50K car, and I no not like luxury cars anyways. I could afford $20K, so I bought the best $20K car there is for what I want and need. Your opinion will probably vary. But I like stripped down, bare-bones performance cars and needed more than 2 seats and 2 doors.

And in case you didn't notice, I also love Spyderco. Spyderco offers great performance for the money, just like the SRT-4. No Spyderco isn't CRK, and no an SRT-4 isn't a BMW or Sebenza, but I can afford to own Spydercos and a Sebenza. I cannot afford a new Ferrari. I could have got a used M3 for less than an SRT-4, but I'd rather have a new SRT-4. I got the car I wanted, thank you very much.

Like I said before, I don't have to have the best of everything. I buy cheap watches and cheap jeans. But I am obsessed with knives and I can afford CRK and Strider, so I buy them. If I could afford a Ferrari 360, I would buy one. But the thing is, I don't go around bashing people that spend more on a car than I did. I don't bash Lexus owners just because my car is faster and cheaper. They bought what they wanted and could afford, and so did I. Maybe they want luxury more than performance. Maybe they can afford a Luxus with ease, so it isn't so expensive to them. I respect their choice. See the difference?

Nice try.

stevekt said:
The feeling is mutual. You disrespected and belittled my choices and opininons on knives by calling them "cute". Yet, I'm close minded and ignorant? Pot, meet kettle. I guess the comment I quoted about idiots and losers must have struck a little too close to home for you. :jerkit:

I think Sebenzas, Striders and similar knives are great. But like I said they do not motivate me to spend $400. That is all I meant. From what I've seen you've got a great collection. But I am happy with my knives and, like many others on this site, I do just fine without breaking the bank on a knife. Can you understand that? Can you see my point of view?
Actually, I never disrepected or belittled your choices or opinions on knives. I bashed your ignorance, not your choices. Please pay attention.

I love inexpensive knives. I even love flea market junk knives. I just love knives. So why would I put down your knives? I wouldn't. I put down your ignorant comments about expensive knives, not your choice to buy less expensive ones.

Of course I can see that and of course I can understand your POV. That is my whole point!!!! I am happy buying expensive knives. Why can't you see that? Why can't you see my point of view?

I *NEVER* said there was anything wrong with buying less expensive knives. YOU bashed expensive knives.

Don't put words into my mouth.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by allenC
I'm curious...what exactly can a SMF do that a Manix would have trouble or receive damage from doing?

In my life, cut through the metal pallet straps at work. For other people, pry and chop. A Manix can do these things, but an SMF is much better at it and will do it with more force without damage. If you do not think an SMF is more durable than a Manix, at least at certain tasks, and can do things a Manix cannot, then you really should actually handle and use both knives as one is much stronger than the other. This is obvious and just ignorant to dispute.

Okay, so you used your SMF to cut through metal pallet straps at your place of work and your SMF was undamaged and had no trouble, right?

So, when you used your Manix to do the same, was it damaged and in what way, or what trouble did it have?

Have you chopped and pryed with both the Manix and the SMF?
If so, what did you chop or pry and in what ways did the Manix perform inferiorly?

Allen.
 
I have never chopped or pryed with a knife (hence the "other people" remark), but simple logic would dictate that if two knives are made from the same material (and both knives are made from S30V), that the thicker one would be more durable during prying and chopping.

And yes, that is exactly what I was saying about cutting metal straps. Any knife can sustain edge deformation from cutting metal straps, but my Strider hasn't yet, though my Manix did consistantly. The Strider could cut more straps before the edge would need to be touched up. The Manix edge requires attention to deal with the rolling and chipping much sooner. For normal tasks, I have had no trouble with the Manix not being durable. It is one tough knife. But the SMF is tougher, even if only a little bit. And for some tasks that go beyond the "normal", this can make all the difference (and it has).

You can reprofile the Manix, but then it would lose the superior slicing that some keep touting. You could likewise reprofile the SMF to make it slice much like a Manix.

The difference is the actual blade thickness. The Manix is thinner and will always cut better (if all else is equal) because the blade is thinner. But the SMF will be more durable because more material means for more resistance to torques and impacts.

Pros and cons.

So saying the Manix is better and cheaper is pretty close-minded. If you want the pros of the Manix, yes it is better for you. But some prefer the pros of the Strider (and there are many not having to do with blade thickness).

I am not bashing the Manix. It is one of my favorite knives. But I like the SMF more for many reasons. Until Spyderco (or someone else) comes out with a folder exactly like the SMF in every single way, but for less than $200, then I am doomed to pay more than your price barrier to get my dream knife.

I am just happy my dream knife (the production SMF) is so affordable and not only available as $1000 custom.
 
Hair said:
Well, IMHO, you are either joking or a fool.


That is why I said "most daily lives". Of course a gun is more useful to a LEO, soldier, or avid hunter. But in "most daily lives" a knife will be needed far more often. I do not disagree that it is about what makes you happy. That was actually my only point.


You are wrong. Plain and simple. No knife may be worth $400 to you, but that doesn't mean they aren't worth it to other people. My SMF, Sebenza, and Titan are the best money I have ever spent. They have brought me more joy than anything else I have bought, including things costing much more. They offer *ME* the best price/joy ratios in the world. And they aren't worth it? Yeah, if I want to be sad they aren't worth it, but I prefer to be happy. You are wrong about track records. CRK, WH, and Strider have great track records. Much better than Buck, Old Timer, and Case. Those companies may be older, but I buy quality not years of so-so knives.

I must stand by my position. ;)
 
Hmmm a lot of heated opinions. I just broke the 400 dollar mark on an SMF a few days ago. I still have to see what makes it any better than my spyderco manix. The fit and finish isn't really any better and I doubt the lock is really all the much tougher. It does kind of look different though so I can understand people collecting them.
 
There is nothing wrong with buying and using a $400, if that is what YOU want to do. I happen to do that myself' buy and USE $400 + folders. That is MY choice!
 
An urge to liquidate some of my knives and buy a DDR Gunhammer often seizes me.

Do it!! I handled a proto gunhammer the other day and had it not been for the 1400 price tag I would have taken it home in a heartbeat!
 
I'm with the original reasoning of the topic starter. Sometimes, not everytime, good things cost more money.

There's a reason why a formula 1 car is a million bucks. Exotic materials, better engineering = higher performance. Sometimes, not every time.

Anyway, I enjoy on a daily basis the knives I spend top dollar for. It's not as though it's a safe queen that we tuck away.

cliff
 
The Gallery sub-forum has a thread full of killer pics of Rick Hinderer's XM-18, a knife that's hard use-tough, sexy plus your choice of configurations . . . and I believe it's not even $400! I'd REALLY get one if the I had the dough.
 
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