Recommendation? 440C vs D2 steel for a Ganzo knife?

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Chronovore said:
Like I said, proof is in the pudding. My previous posts are available for all to see.

Sorry, it's one countermeasure per burning torch and supplies are limited. (My fun budget for the month already supported a new Kizer from BladeHQ and a donation to Knife Rights.) If you really love Ganzo and you really want me to buy a large quantity of their knives, I'm going to have to figure out some kind of crowdfunding initiative or something...
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Would you mind not posting anymore? Thanks.
 
Welp ... yeah I'm usually pretty "serious" .

But not always. If you see a ;) or :rolleyes: , that may be a clue . I do love a good joke , irony and sarcasm .

Ganzo is a fact of life and not going away . Not the major problem for any decent quality major brand name ,IMO . But a convenient whipping boy .

The attacks directly on Ganzo copying don't bother me because that's valid and justified .

But the personal insults and harassment of other members of this forum related to Ganzo ...not so much . :mad::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
 
DocJD said:
But the personal insults and harassment of other members of this forum related to Ganzo ...not so much . :mad::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
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I agree. The supporters of Ganzo, Enlan, Sanrenmu, Eafengrow, and other thieving, cloning companies should absolutely stop insulting the legitimate knife makers by publicly singing the praises of stolen designs, bragging about buying these clones, and flaunting this despicable behavior in front of the faces of those legitimate companies.
 
DocJD said:
The attacks directly on Ganzo copying don't bother me because that's valid and justified .

But the personal insults and harassment of other members of this forum related to Ganzo ...not so much . :mad::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
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So rather than reporting the behavior you claim to be bothered by you post promoting clones. Is that out of spite? You say the anti-clone stance is valid and justified yet you are one of the main clone supporters posting here. You claim to be in the middle but then post clone review videos.

The fact that this forum is anti-clone is not going away. If you continue to post promoting clones you will continue to be "bothered" by the responses you see.
 
Chronovore said:
"Little" might be the operative word. What I won't be doing is taking deep dives on issues in response to the crusaders: guys dedicated to throwing firebombs, barfing up venom, or throwing logic or factual accuracy to the wind in pursuit of burning the enemy as opposed to offering civil discussion and being kind to their fellow enthusiasts.

Posts like these are an easy example:



To answer an actual question posed by Quiet, there are now seven models in the original FH line (not counting variants). Looking into their other stuff, there are still plenty of copycat models available but the total number seems to have shrunk a little. Several of the obvious Spyderco copies have recently been discontinued.

Don't worry, pal. You can take pride. You totally just sold a knife for Ganzo.
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Let's be honest, you know you're just doubling down and continuing to make yourself look foolish. At this juncture, we're going to need to see at least ten new Ganzos from you, with a sticky note or whatever with the date and your username. I personally don't think you'll do it, which is why it looks foolish to keep acting like you will.

Also, you are literally attempting to fight against the Sahara a grain at a time. You will never convince new people that Ganzo trash is worth the money because any time you try, there'll be plenty of us in those threads to set folks straight and steer them towards more reputable companies.

Congratulations on your upcoming collection of potmetal "probably not actually D2" trash, though! :D
 
Danke42 said:
Forgive me but I thought you'd made your "final speech"

I guess we can just add that to the other stuff you don't seem to understand like the whole IP theft thing and why robbery etc. is against the law.
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Remember, it's just logical that you give cloner trash companies "a chance" the moment they start making something you want. All of us who don't forgive or forget are the illogical "crusaders". :D
 
DocJD said:
:rolleyes: I continue to see two major arguments against Ganzo , that seem to me logically inconsistent :

#1 : Ganzo products are junk , absolute worthless crap .

#2 : Ganzo (never the less) is somehow causing significant economic loss and suffering to several big name, high quality brands . o_O

How can both be true at the same time ? This does not compute ! :confused:
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I'm not sure how that could be your takeaway at all. Tell me, have you ever walked into a store and seen a rack of Ganzos* and gotten to fondle them? We all know that no, you most likely haven't. It's very easy to buy garbage sight unseen. People buy trash products online every day, and many people decide "Eh, it's not worth the hassle of $20 trying to get my money back" and so that trash knife goes in a drawer or where all Ganzo products belong: in the trash. However, that $20 was still spent, and depending on Ganzo model, it's money that could have been spent with the company whose design Ganzo stole in the first place.

In any case, Mr. Sal Glesser has stated clearly that cloner trash companies have hurt him financially, I'm not really too sure why people keep trying to downplay or squirm around that fact.

* They'll be over by the trashbags and garbage disposal cleaner
 
jlauffer said:
Worked out great with Albert Flick:rolleyes:

But seriously, why not? If they stopped offering the clones and switched to only offering their own designs then I might understand, but offering their own designs while still offering clones does not at all suggest they're trying to go legit, so why let them off the hook?
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I tried to make this same point earlier on though I was not certain what products they still made nor am I terribly certain what models are clones so it was more implied by asking a question. To me adding to your line legitimate products while continuing to produce product which steal from others doesn't make it a legitimate company only once production of illegitimate products ceases can a company be viewed as legitimate.

DocJD said:
:rolleyes: I continue to see two major arguments against Ganzo , that seem to me logically inconsistent :

#1 : Ganzo products are junk , absolute worthless crap .

#2 : Ganzo (never the less) is somehow causing significant economic loss and suffering to several big name, high quality brands . o_O

How can both be true at the same time ? This does not compute ! :confused:
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How can they not #2 has no implication of the quality standard and almost all clones and counterfeits are of inferior quality yet still cause economic problems for the legitimate manufacturers. If nothing about statement #1 conflicts with anything about statement #2 then being true or false for either statement is independent of the other.
 
Ganzo makes clones, they sometimes make originals. But that does not matter. Because Ganzo gonna Ganzo.

China makes clones, they sometimes make originals. But that does not matter. Because China gonna China.

Maybe im wrong to have animosity towards thieves. Anyone could be wrong. But I will keep the animosity towards thieves, because even if I could be wrong, I still do not like them. Because China.
 
craytab said:
All those speeches. All those walls of text. Meaningless. Just intellectualized rationalization of theft. This whole time, all you were doing was putting money into the pockets of scumbags who steel from real companies like spyderco. Enjoy your fake delica. Watch your fingers. Do you know what Karma is?
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To sum things up: all my posts are "childish" and "blathering"; everything I've written is "praising" Ganzo, "justifying thievery", or assuaging my guilt over having bought one last year; there isn't much distinction between copycatting and counterfeiting; there isn't much distinction between IP theft and armed robbery; a picture of a folk hero sans argument (any real discussion of which would be either TLDR or use too many fancy words); I've been asked to stop posting outright; I better go all in on this and give you extremely detailed proof that I did or I'm somehow more terrible than I already am; none of the knives could possibly be the steel they say despite testing via LuvThemKnives (and I didn't forget that he is bad too and cannot ever be trusted for the rest of his life either); and at least one of you hopes that I will be injured physically by a Ganzo.

It's amazing how some of this reminds me of arguing with anti-gun activists. All your facts are from the big-money gun lobby, guns equal violence, a picture of some little kid who got shot, we hope you shoot yourself...

You know what, my kid was diagnosed with Autism today. I have to take a break from dealing with such examples of civility, intellect, and great public debate. (Who knows, craytab? Maybe that was Karma?) I've got to spend a little more time with my family and a little less time online. When I get back into the swing of things, who knows? Maybe I'll look back and see if its worth continuing my new approach via some kind of crowdfunding. If you can figure out what I was taking a stand here against, you'll see that it's a real stain on an otherwise great forum and an otherwise great community.
 
I’m sorry to hear about your kid, man. A close relative of mine also has developmentally challenged children and it’s tough. But they’re doing everything they can to ensure the kids grow up happy and loved. I hope all turns out well with your kid.

On another note, my disagreement still stands. There’s no rationalizing the actions of Ganzo and my limited intelligence fails to grasp what you have to gain by persistently defending them and going as far as buying their knives because some strangers here don’t agree with your views. Out of spite, basically. But if playing your game makes you happy, none of us here will stop you. It’s your hard-earned money.

Remember, just as there will always be clone/counterfeit makers until the end of time, so will there always be men and women who will call out cheating and thievery.
 
Chronovore said:
To sum things up: all my posts are "childish" and "blathering"; everything I've written is "praising" Ganzo, "justifying thievery", or assuaging my guilt over having bought one last year; there isn't much distinction between copycatting and counterfeiting; there isn't much distinction between IP theft and armed robbery; a picture of a folk hero sans argument (any real discussion of which would be either TLDR or use too many fancy words); I've been asked to stop posting outright; I better go all in on this and give you extremely detailed proof that I did or I'm somehow more terrible than I already am; none of the knives could possibly be the steel they say despite testing via LuvThemKnives (and I didn't forget that he is bad too and cannot ever be trusted for the rest of his life either); and at least one of you hopes that I will be injured physically by a Ganzo.

It's amazing how some of this reminds me of arguing with anti-gun activists. All your facts are from the big-money gun lobby, guns equal violence, a picture of some little kid who got shot, we hope you shoot yourself...

You know what, my kid was diagnosed with Autism today. I have to take a break from dealing with such examples of civility, intellect, and great public debate. (Who knows, craytab? Maybe that was Karma?) I've got to spend a little more time with my family and a little less time online. When I get back into the swing of things, who knows? Maybe I'll look back and see if its worth continuing my new approach via some kind of crowdfunding. If you can figure out what I was taking a stand here against, you'll see that it's a real stain on an otherwise great forum and an otherwise great community.
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I'll be waiting to see a receipt for all those Ganzos.
 
Chronovore said:
To sum things up: all my posts are "childish" and "blathering"; everything I've written is "praising" Ganzo, "justifying thievery", or assuaging my guilt over having bought one last year; there isn't much distinction between copycatting and counterfeiting; there isn't much distinction between IP theft and armed robbery; a picture of a folk hero sans argument (any real discussion of which would be either TLDR or use too many fancy words); I've been asked to stop posting outright; I better go all in on this and give you extremely detailed proof that I did or I'm somehow more terrible than I already am; none of the knives could possibly be the steel they say despite testing via LuvThemKnives (and I didn't forget that he is bad too and cannot ever be trusted for the rest of his life either); and at least one of you hopes that I will be injured physically by a Ganzo.

It's amazing how some of this reminds me of arguing with anti-gun activists. All your facts are from the big-money gun lobby, guns equal violence, a picture of some little kid who got shot, we hope you shoot yourself...

You know what, my kid was diagnosed with Autism today. I have to take a break from dealing with such examples of civility, intellect, and great public debate. (Who knows, craytab? Maybe that was Karma?) I've got to spend a little more time with my family and a little less time online. When I get back into the swing of things, who knows? Maybe I'll look back and see if its worth continuing my new approach via some kind of crowdfunding. If you can figure out what I was taking a stand here against, you'll see that it's a real stain on an otherwise great forum and an otherwise great community.
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Dear God, I'm not reading all that. You lied when you said you were done giving speeches to us. You lied when you said you don't buy or support clones. You are a liar. Go away.

Edit: I still have not read your post, and will not. That said, I see from other comments that you have had some bad news in your personal life. I am sorry for that.
 
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Chronovore said:
To sum things up: all my posts are "childish" and "blathering"; everything I've written is "praising" Ganzo, "justifying thievery", or assuaging my guilt over having bought one last year; there isn't much distinction between copycatting and counterfeiting; there isn't much distinction between IP theft and armed robbery; a picture of a folk hero sans argument (any real discussion of which would be either TLDR or use too many fancy words); I've been asked to stop posting outright; I better go all in on this and give you extremely detailed proof that I did or I'm somehow more terrible than I already am; none of the knives could possibly be the steel they say despite testing via LuvThemKnives (and I didn't forget that he is bad too and cannot ever be trusted for the rest of his life either); and at least one of you hopes that I will be injured physically by a Ganzo.

It's amazing how some of this reminds me of arguing with anti-gun activists. All your facts are from the big-money gun lobby, guns equal violence, a picture of some little kid who got shot, we hope you shoot yourself...

You know what, my kid was diagnosed with Autism today. I have to take a break from dealing with such examples of civility, intellect, and great public debate. (Who knows, craytab? Maybe that was Karma?) I've got to spend a little more time with my family and a little less time online. When I get back into the swing of things, who knows? Maybe I'll look back and see if its worth continuing my new approach via some kind of crowdfunding. If you can figure out what I was taking a stand here against, you'll see that it's a real stain on an otherwise great forum and an otherwise great community.
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I'm sorry to hear about your kid. Best of wishes as you take care of your family. At some point it's best for both sides to agree to disagree and move on in peace.
 
Chronovore said:
To sum things up: all my posts are "childish" and "blathering"; everything I've written is "praising" Ganzo, "justifying thievery", or assuaging my guilt over having bought one last year; there isn't much distinction between copycatting and counterfeiting; there isn't much distinction between IP theft and armed robbery; a picture of a folk hero sans argument (any real discussion of which would be either TLDR or use too many fancy words); I've been asked to stop posting outright; I better go all in on this and give you extremely detailed proof that I did or I'm somehow more terrible than I already am; none of the knives could possibly be the steel they say despite testing via LuvThemKnives (and I didn't forget that he is bad too and cannot ever be trusted for the rest of his life either); and at least one of you hopes that I will be injured physically by a Ganzo.

It's amazing how some of this reminds me of arguing with anti-gun activists. All your facts are from the big-money gun lobby, guns equal violence, a picture of some little kid who got shot, we hope you shoot yourself...

You know what, my kid was diagnosed with Autism today. I have to take a break from dealing with such examples of civility, intellect, and great public debate. (Who knows, craytab? Maybe that was Karma?) I've got to spend a little more time with my family and a little less time online. When I get back into the swing of things, who knows? Maybe I'll look back and see if its worth continuing my new approach via some kind of crowdfunding. If you can figure out what I was taking a stand here against, you'll see that it's a real stain on an otherwise great forum and an otherwise great community.
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Man, some stellar examples of deflection here. "Man, maybe I'll see if it's worth asking strangers for money so I can buy garbage knives so I can rub it in the faces of a forum full of other strangers who won't give a cloner garbage company I like a pass."

Sorry for the off-forum news, but we all already know what you were taking a stand against. Literally everyone here sees that you were advocating for a garbage company who essentially stole money from the pockets of an industry titan we care about.

See you on the flip side, gotta take care of what's actually important. :)
 
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