Recommendation? 440C vs D2 steel for a Ganzo knife?

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fatBatman said:
No I think I addressed your comparisons fairly accurately. But I’m not trying to offend you or anything, just pointing out the ridiculousness in them.
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No, you've missed the point. I'm not talking about a person who buys one Hi-Point, one Timex, one Huffy, one inexpensive knife etc, because that's all he can afford. I'm talking about someone who buys multiple examples of each rather than spending the same amount of money on quality items. I didn't say one Huffy, I said a garage full of Huffys. If you saw someone's garage and they had 10 Huffys of all different colors and styles, , all for the same person, you couldn't help but wonder why the money wasn't simply spent on one quality road bike and one for the trail.

If a person called himself a bike enthusiast but all he had was a bunch of Huffys, you'd snort derisively and shake your head.
If a person called himself a gun enthusiast but all he had was a bunch of Hi-Points, Ravens, Lorcins, you'd snort derisively and shake your head.

If someone called himself a knife enthusiast and all he had was hundreds of dollars worth of different Ganzos, Enlans, Eafengrows, Sanrenmus, and Y-Starts, I'd snort derisively, shake my head, and wonder why the money wasn't spent on better quality knives. There's plenty of people here that spend lots of money on bunches of low-end knives, at least one of which is posting in this very thread. They clearly have the money to afford better knives, but for reasons I cannot fathom, would rather have quantity rather than quality.

The fact that those same companies also make knock-offs and have no respect for IP, patents, and trademarks, only compounds the issue at hand.
 
fatBatman said:
Read the two parts I placed in bold and tell me that doesn’t sound odd.
The OP of this post appears to have created a count solely for the purpose of creating this thread. Does that not tell you anything? Would Sherlock Holmes, in all of his infinite wisdom and resources, his investigative prowess, ever perhaps be able to ascertain WHY someone would create an account just to post this thread?
(Cue the jeopardy final challenge music)
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People sometimes come here and join to ask a single question. Some of those people stick around and some don't. That's true on a lot of hobby forums.

To an earlier point you made, budget brands definitely serve an important role in the market. Some of my favorite recent knives have been budget models from Kizer, Bestech, or WE's Civivi brand. I've been fascinated by the quality revolution that swept this price range and lower. Seeing brands like Ruike, Kubey, QSP, and yes, Ganzo's FH line of original knives, delivering historically surprising quality down into the $20 range is exciting. There are a lot of people out there who can only afford a $25 knife and now they can afford to choose from a lot of relatively nice ones.

Now, I have tested out one of those original FH knives in D2 from Ganzo. The blade holds an edge and sharpens like other Chinese D2. The action is quite good. Lock-up is solid. My only real quality complaints are a soft and occasional "ping" noise from a tiny bit of lock-stick and a hard ninety along the inner edge of the scales. Overall, pretty decent for the $22 I paid. Are there other knives good? I guess I'll find out...
 
Chronovore said:
People sometimes come here and join to ask a single question. Some of those people stick around and some don't. That's true on a lot of hobby forums.

To an earlier point you made, budget brands definitely serve an important role in the market. Some of my favorite recent knives have been budget models from Kizer, Bestech, or WE's Civivi brand. I've been fascinated by the quality revolution that swept this price range and lower. Seeing brands like Ruike, Kubey, QSP, and yes, Ganzo's FH line of original knives, delivering historically surprising quality down into the $20 range is exciting. There are a lot of people out there who can only afford a $25 knife and now they can afford to choose from a lot of relatively nice ones.

Now, I have tested out one of those original FH knives in D2 from Ganzo. The blade holds an edge and sharpens like other Chinese D2. The action is quite good. Lock-up is solid. My only real quality complaints are a soft and occasional "ping" noise from a tiny bit of lock-stick and a hard ninety along the inner edge of the scales. Overall, pretty decent for the $22 I paid. Are there other knives good? I guess I'll find out...
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It only cost $22 and any shred of credibility that you had here.
 
craytab said:
Thanks for definitively showing your true character! You'll be buying a lot of ganzos and I bet you will still get in these little arguments. Buy another one for me! :rolleyes:
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"Little" might be the operative word. What I won't be doing is taking deep dives on issues in response to the crusaders: guys dedicated to throwing firebombs, barfing up venom, or throwing logic or factual accuracy to the wind in pursuit of burning the enemy as opposed to offering civil discussion and being kind to their fellow enthusiasts.

Posts like these are an easy example:

Quiet said:
BLEEP BLEEP final level boss Defender Drone detected.
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To answer an actual question posed by Quiet, there are now seven models in the original FH line (not counting variants). Looking into their other stuff, there are still plenty of copycat models available but the total number seems to have shrunk a little. Several of the obvious Spyderco copies have recently been discontinued.

Don't worry, pal. You can take pride. You totally just sold a knife for Ganzo.
 
Chronovore said:
"Little" might be the operative word. What I won't be doing is taking deep dives on issues in response to the crusaders: guys dedicated to throwing firebombs, barfing up venom, or throwing logic or factual accuracy to the wind in pursuit of burning the enemy as opposed to offering civil discussion and being kind to their fellow enthusiasts.

Posts like these are an easy example:



To answer an actual question posed by Quiet, there are now seven models in the original FH line (not counting variants). Looking into their other stuff, there are still plenty of copycat models available but the total number seems to have shrunk a little. Several of the obvious Spyderco copies have recently been discontinued.

Don't worry, pal. You can take pride. You totally just sold a knife for Ganzo.
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Yay! Another sale!
IBTL!
 
Chronovore said:
There are a lot of people out there who can only afford a $25 knife and now they can afford to choose from a lot of relatively nice ones.
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Nah, people only want to pay $25 for a knife. They can afford much more. It is all about the choices you want to make. Much like you have chosen to trash whatever reputation you have here with your ridiculous continued promotion of ganzo.
 
Chronovore said:
"Little" might be the operative word. What I won't be doing is taking deep dives on issues in response to the crusaders: guys dedicated to throwing firebombs, barfing up venom, or throwing logic or factual accuracy to the wind in pursuit of burning the enemy as opposed to offering civil discussion and being kind to their fellow enthusiasts.

Posts like these are an easy example:



To answer an actual question posed by Quiet, there are now seven models in the original FH line (not counting variants). Looking into their other stuff, there are still plenty of copycat models available but the total number seems to have shrunk a little. Several of the obvious Spyderco copies have recently been discontinued.

Don't worry, pal. You can take pride. You totally just sold a knife for Ganzo.
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Blah, blah, blah... I don't care about IP. I buy cheap knives from terrible companies and try to fiercely defend them. I prefer to make right and wrong murky cuz it makes it easier to, well be wrong...
 
Insipid Moniker said:
It only cost $22 and any shred of credibility that you had here.
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Had you been following along, you'd know that I bought my FH11 when it first came out. That was the launch product for Ganzo's original line of knives. At the time, I said "Ganzo wants to make legitimate knives with original designs? I'll try it out."

By your token, I never had any shred of credibility here to lose. I bought that FH11 almost a year before I bought my Blade Forums membership.
 
Chronovore said:
Had you been following along, you'd know that I bought my FH11 when it first came out. That was the launch product for Ganzo's original line of knives. At the time, I said "Ganzo wants to make legitimate knives with original designs? I'll try it out."

By your token, I never had any shred of credibility here to lose. I bought that FH11 almost a year before I bought my Blade Forums membership.
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Logically, there's nothing in this that does anything to contradict my statement.
 
fatBatman said:
Pics or it didn’t happen.
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Here are the worst offenders I could find, for the worst offenders here.

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Chronovore said:
Had you been following along, you'd know that I bought my FH11 when it first came out. That was the launch product for Ganzo's original line of knives. At the time, I said "Ganzo wants to make legitimate knives with original designs? I'll try it out."

By your token, I never had any shred of credibility here to lose. I bought that FH11 almost a year before I bought my Blade Forums membership.
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Seems you got into Ganzo innocently, but why the loyalty to a sketchy company when you know better now?
 
Chronovore said:
Here are the worst offenders I could find, for the worst offenders here.

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This is precisely what I meant. If your claims of being against clones were true then your convictions are either so weak that you tossed them aside because strangers on the internet disagreed with you or, more likely, you always planned to buy those knives and were simply looking for a way to rationalize the purchase.
 
danbot said:
Seems you got into Ganzo innocently, but why the loyalty to a sketchy company when you know better now?
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It's never been about loyalty for me. In fact, I've often mentioned Ganzo's history of improperly copying designs or design elements when people ask about them. That is definitely sketchy and I've said so. It's also not a question of "knowing better now". In the post you quoted, note that my response to Ganzo's launch of a series of original knives was "Ganzo wants to make legitimate knives with original designs?" They were a company I had previously avoided because all they made were copycats.

I just didn't hold their past against them. A point I've made in other threads is that we often don't know the exact past of Chinese companies, their employees, their investors, their capital, etc. Hence, the extreme vigor in wanting to punish Ganzo and any of their new products being "fruits of the poisoned tree" until the end of time seemed ridiculous to me. All I knew is that Ganzo was trying something different and it involved bringing new designs to market at a very competitive price. So I was happy to buy it and try it out.

Deciding to argue, discuss, or explore things around this issue turned into a real headache. There are plenty of decent, logical, well-intentioned people here expressing a variety of views. However, there is a small core of folks, some firmly in the anti-Ganzo camp and some overlapped with the anti-China camp, who I've dubbed crusaders. (See my previous descriptions.) It is the zealous attitude, lack of civility, and bad or illogical arguments that have driven me here. Engaging them in logical discourse has been a bit like casting pearls before swine. So instead, I'm just turning their hate into sales and profit for the company they hate.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
This is precisely what I meant. If your claims of being against clones were true then your convictions are either so weak that you tossed them aside because strangers on the internet disagreed with you or, more likely, you always planned to buy those knives and were simply looking for a way to rationalize the purchase.
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Again, asked and answered. That logic was previously and explicitly spelled out. Your suspicions are clearly incorrect yet you continue to repeat them. Either you have a problem with reading comprehension or you are dedicated to a goal in ignorance of fact. Maybe you fancy yourself some sort of Witchfinder General. Whatever the case, one of those "worst models for the worst offenders" is for you. You sold that copycat knife. Congratulations on your meaningful support of Ganzo.
 
Chronovore said:
Again, asked and answered. That logic was previously and explicitly spelled out. Your suspicions are clearly incorrect yet you continue to repeat them. Either you have a problem with reading comprehension or you are dedicated to a goal in ignorance of fact. Maybe you fancy yourself some sort of Witchfinder General. Whatever the case, one of those "worst models for the worst offenders" is for you. You sold that copycat knife. Congratulations on your meaningful support of Ganzo.
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Forgive me but I thought you'd made your "final speech"

I guess we can just add that to the other stuff you don't seem to understand like the whole IP theft thing and why robbery etc. is against the law.
 
Chronovore said:
Again, asked and answered. That logic was previously and explicitly spelled out. Your suspicions are clearly incorrect yet you continue to repeat them. Either you have a problem with reading comprehension or you are dedicated to a goal in ignorance of fact. Maybe you fancy yourself some sort of Witchfinder General. Whatever the case, one of those "worst models for the worst offenders" is for you. You sold that copycat knife. Congratulations on your meaningful support of Ganzo.
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Sorry, you have to actually provide evidence for your answers to mean something. The evidence for my claims is crystal clear, as they're all based on your actions throughout this thread. I understand you may not enjoy the implications or taking responsibility for your own choices and actions, but they are yours and yours alone.
 
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