5160 edge retention

[Duane Sanders]

oh, I know, I have tons of S30V. But I love trolling

Fixed it for ya.

 

[shinyedges]

Hey I like the word noobs better when you replace the n with a b...

And thanks for edumacating us..

Oh yeah. All of my hard use dedicated chopping tools are all S30V. It is actually better the longer the blade. A 9" S30V chopper will not only bend 90 but it's so long it can go two full twists. 720 degree bend and S30V pops right back to shape, just need a blade long enough in it to do it.

You noobs have no clue ��

 

[Insipid Moniker]

That is benefit of modern particle steels.. got to love technology

Are kids will be using mini hand held solar powered light sabers and visit actual steels in museums like dinosaur bones.

Seriously, I'm waiting to be the crotchety old guy arguing about how you can't consider these new-fangled nano-assembled knives customs because in my day makers had to program their own CNC machines.

 

[shinyedges]

Oh and changing what people said in quotes is not allowed except in a few more lax areas of the forum as I was recently told by bld522.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[shinyedges]

LOL tell them whipper snappers look at this "whips out manix in s110v" back in my day this use to cut ALL DAY long lol

All the kids start rolling their eyes..

Seriously, I'm waiting to be the crotchety old guy arguing about how you can't consider these new-fangled nano-assembled knives customs because in my day makers had to program their own CNC machines.

 

[Duane Sanders]

Oh and changing what people said in quotes is not allowed except in a few more lax areas of the forum as I was recently told by bld522.

You guys can't let well enough be alone. I agree with you and one of you go rogue and devil advocate (troll). Pretty smug if I may say of you to believe I was going to jump all over your trolling bait in the first reply too.

Hey man, I agree with you and the others. Worst steel for that knife, the heat treat is mediocre at best. Not worth it when you can literally get 3% better performance from a steel costing 300% more. Who in their right mind would admit online they would go for 97% at ~30% the price? No one as clearly shown here.

So read it again. We, you me, the others all agree that 5160 needs total avoidance and opt for 300% more money for a 3% gain in performance. I've read it before and I just repeated it for you. It's true, it really is!

 

[shinyedges]

Calm down Duane, our humor isn't trolling.

And their is more than a 3% gain between 5160 vs several other steels.

Our humor was justified as you crusade for 5160.. lol

If you plan on sticking around you gotta figure out the dynamic and get thicker skin and an open mind.

You guys can't let well enough be alone. I agree with you and one of you go rogue and devil advocate (troll). Pretty smug if I may say of you to believe I was going to jump all over your trolling bait in the first reply too.

Hey man, I agree with you and the others. Worst steel for that knife, the heat treat is mediocre at best. Not worth it when you can literally get 3% better performance from a steel costing 300% more. Who in their right mind would admit online they would go for 97% at ~30% the price? No one as clearly shown here.

So read it again. We, you me, the others all agree that 5160 needs total avoidance and opt for 300% more money for a 3% gain in performance. I've read it before and I just repeated it for you. It's true, it really is!

 

[Ankerson]

Calm down Duane, our humor isn't trolling.

And their is more than a 3% gain between 5160 vs several other steels.

Our humor was justified as you crusade for 5160.. lol

If you plan on sticking around you gotta figure out the dynamic and get thicker skin and an open mind.

One heck of a lot more than 3%. ROFL

We are talking about a simple spring steel with almost no carbide content no matter how it's heat treated other than simple iron carbides that all steels have.

Not sure were all of this edge retention is coming from since that alloy content doesn't support it.

Must be magical or the result of Devine intervention.

 

[shinyedges]

We explained this to him in other threads but... no luck getting through lol

Hence the humor he calls trolling

One heck of a lot more than 3%. ROFL

We are talking about a simple spring steel with almost no carbide content no matter how it's heat treated other than simple iron carbides that all steels have.

Not sure were all of this edge retention is coming from since that alloy content doesn't support it.

Must be magical or the result of Devine intervention.

 

[Ankerson]

We explained this to him in other threads but... no luck getting through lol

Hence the humor he calls trolling

Doesn't take much cost wise in steel to completely destroy 5160 edge retention wise in the multiples of 100%'s percentage wise.

 

[Cobalt]

Doesn't take much cost wise in steel to completely destroy 5160 edge retention wise in the multiples of 100%'s percentage wise.

It was never meant for that. It was meant for great flexibility, strength and toughness at an Rc of 56-7. Once you go over 58 Rc it starts to chip and goes downhill in all categories. Now I cannot say how Bos HT does, but they may have figured out a better HT than most. Justin Gingrich did his own HT and had good success with it. The Khukuris were always claimed to be near 60 at the edge with a soft spine, but I bet that they have never been over 58

 

[Ankerson]

It was never meant for that. It was meant for great flexibility, strength and toughness at an Rc of 56-7. Once you go over 58 Rc it starts to chip and goes downhill in all categories. Now I cannot say how Bos HT does, but they may have figured out a better HT than most. Justin Gingrich did his own HT and had good success with it. The Khukuris were always claimed to be near 60 at the edge with a soft spine, but I bet that they have never been over 58

Oh I know, I was just say'n.

Sometimes people tend to get carried away and start talking up somethings way above their alloy content to the point of being ridiculous....

We tend to see this a lot from time to time and it does get very old.

 

[shinyedges]

He is more interested in the toughness of 5160 than the edge holding, in the case of the buck knife in question it is really a moot point though.

He also thinks 5160 is in the area of s7 in impact toughness.. big difference between spring steel from shock steels, but again not very willing to listen.

Yes 5160 is tough but definitely not the toughest.

Yes 5160 can hold an edge but FAR from the best.

Yes 5160 is cheap but not the cheapest.



Modern steels have come a long way, but some folks just don't want to hear it.

Doesn't take much cost wise in steel to completely destroy 5160 edge retention wise in the multiples of 100%'s percentage wise.

 

[Ankerson]

He is more interested in the toughness of 5160 than the edge holding, in the case of the buck knife in question it is really a moot point though.

He also thinks 5160 is in the area of s7 in impact toughness.. big difference between spring steel from shock steels, but again not very willing to listen.

Yes 5160 is tough but definitely not the toughest.

Yes 5160 can hold an edge but FAR from the best.

Yes 5160 is cheap but not the cheapest.



Modern steels have come a long way, but some folks just don't want to hear it.

5160 is fine and it can be used to make some nice blades and has as most of us know.

BUT.....

People just need to be realistic about what it's really capable of performance wise.

 

[shinyedges]

I know its a good steel, but its not made of unicorn horn.

Trying to convey the limitations of the steel to someone who refuses to acknowledge modern advancement in steels can be... a little

5160 is fine and it can be used to make some nice blades and has as most of us know.

BUT.....

People just need to be realistic about what it's really capable of performance wise.

 

[Ankerson]

I know its a good steel, but its not made of unicorn horn.

Trying to convey the limitations of the steel to someone who refuses to acknowledge modern advancement in steels can be... a little

Don't get me started... LOL

I have heard so many urban legends, marketing garbage, so called magic HT etc, ect, etc over the years....

That's not including the fish stories and other assorted miracles of supposed performance that are so far out there they aren't even remotely believable.

People do like to talk up what they like, that's human nature, but sometimes things tend to get to the point that they are laughable.

 

[Duane Sanders]

Oh I know, I was just say'n.

Sometimes people tend to get carried away and start talking up somethings way above their alloy content to the point of being ridiculous....

We tend to see this a lot from time to time and it does get very old.

Even more often we see too many get carried away about carbide content who have no clue when that knife dulls, and they all dull from the first cut that they will need special tools to sharpen. Where you mostly find 5160 blades is in the woods and you know as much as I do wood is not abrasive at all. So "super" steels rarely keep an edge long enough to dull before they get damaged, and need some attention. I carry a round kind of flat river rock in my pocket that touches up my simple steels very nice.

It's all where you look how you see what is better. On paper and in a work shop. Sure enough them super steels are awesome. I haven't seen them be any better outside miles from a sharpening bench. You can pick up even a jagged rock and as long as it's hard you will be able to put at minimum a working edge back on. Lots of people see that as super.

You guys just have tunnel vision. I'm sure your knives would impress me for a day in the woods, and I'm sure we both would comment on how I touched mine up after a days playing n the woods.

And mr. Shiny edges, if you ever did 10 day rotations on a COP after a lengthy hike out to it you'd realize the utility behind a blade that can be sharpened on a rock you pick up and straightening the edge on an ammo can or sharp corner of some armor. No super steel will last a full 10 days in that environment and you won't pack a special sharpener to go along. Ounces equal pounds and pounds equals pain.

For Internet purposes and carbide kings, yeah, 5160 sucks pretty bad. Makes me wonder why 5160 blades out number 3V blades available right now by 3 to 1. Must be them simple folk running around the woods who have no clue what's best in your workshops and on the Internet, that's gotta be it! They are just plain clueless.

Crusade on!

Oh and Shinyedges. I'm looking at a Bradford Guardian 5. What's your honest opinion on the brand and model. I keep looking for 3V but I always come back to the Guardian 5. Appreciate an honest opinion. Thanks.

 

[shinyedges]

I know exactly what you mean.. we need a pamphlet of knife steel info, broken down so a baby can understand it.

After they tell is how the field dressed a moose with their gas station pocket knife and then shaved their face we can smile and hand them a pamphlet lol

Don't get me started... LOL

I have heard so many urban legends, marketing garbage, so called magic HT etc, ect, etc over the years....

That's not including the fish stories and other assorted miracles of supposed performance that are so far out there they aren't even remotely believable.

People do like to talk up what they like, that's human nature, but sometimes things tend to get to the point that they are laughable.

 

[shinyedges]

Duane,

Your assumptions of all super steels chipping and needing to be repaired before being sharpened is not accurate. Your assumptions that a super steel can not be sharpened in the field is incorrect, your assumption super steels wont last 10 days of use without needing to be sharpened is incorrect.

In actuality some modern super steels wont need to be touched in the field as they resist damage significantly better than 5160.

I spent many days out on ftx's, and before deployment we had ftx's that lasted for more than a month. I carried a cold steel folder I got in the px and didn't sharpen it the entire time. I didn't get heavy into the knife hobby till after I ets'd out of the army.

As for the guardian series of knives I haven't owned one but many guys here do and love them. I want to try them out as well in m390 and 3v.

Even more often we see too many get carried away about carbide content who have no clue when that knife dulls, and they all dull from the first cut that they will need special tools to sharpen. Where you mostly find 5160 blades is in the woods and you know as much as I do wood is not abrasive at all. So "super" steels rarely keep an edge long enough to dull before they get damaged, and need some attention. I carry a round kind of flat river rock in my pocket that touches up my simple steels very nice.

It's all where you look how you see what is better. On paper and in a work shop. Sure enough them super steels are awesome. I haven't seen them be any better outside miles from a sharpening bench. You can pick up even a jagged rock and as long as it's hard you will be able to put at minimum a working edge back on. Lots of people see that as super.

You guys just have tunnel vision. I'm sure your knives would impress me for a day in the woods, and I'm sure we both would comment on how I touched mine up after a days playing n the woods.

And mr. Shiny edges, if you ever did 10 day rotations on a COP after a lengthy hike out to it you'd realize the utility behind a blade that can be sharpened on a rock you pick up and straightening the edge on an ammo can or sharp corner of some armor. No super steel will last a full 10 days in that environment and you won't pack a special sharpener to go along. Ounces equal pounds and pounds equals pain.

For Internet purposes and carbide kings, yeah, 5160 sucks pretty bad. Makes me wonder why 5160 blades out number 3V blades available right now by 3 to 1. Must be them simple folk running around the woods who have no clue what's best in your workshops and on the Internet, that's gotta be it! They are just plain clueless.

Crusade on!

Oh and Shinyedges. I'm looking at a Bradford Guardian 5. What's your honest opinion on the brand and model. I keep looking for 3V but I always come back to the Guardian 5. Appreciate an honest opinion. Thanks.

 

[Ankerson]

Even more often we see too many get carried away about carbide content who have no clue when that knife dulls, and they all dull from the first cut that they will need special tools to sharpen. Where you mostly find 5160 blades is in the woods and you know as much as I do wood is not abrasive at all. So "super" steels rarely keep an edge long enough to dull before they get damaged, and need some attention. I carry a round kind of flat river rock in my pocket that touches up my simple steels very nice.

It's all where you look how you see what is better. On paper and in a work shop. Sure enough them super steels are awesome. I haven't seen them be any better outside miles from a sharpening bench. You can pick up even a jagged rock and as long as it's hard you will be able to put at minimum a working edge back on. Lots of people see that as super.

You guys just have tunnel vision. I'm sure your knives would impress me for a day in the woods, and I'm sure we both would comment on how I touched mine up after a days playing n the woods.

And mr. Shiny edges, if you ever did 10 day rotations on a COP after a lengthy hike out to it you'd realize the utility behind a blade that can be sharpened on a rock you pick up and straightening the edge on an ammo can or sharp corner of some armor. No super steel will last a full 10 days in that environment and you won't pack a special sharpener to go along. Ounces equal pounds and pounds equals pain.

For Internet purposes and carbide kings, yeah, 5160 sucks pretty bad. Makes me wonder why 5160 blades out number 3V blades available right now by 3 to 1. Must be them simple folk running around the woods who have no clue what's best in your workshops and on the Internet, that's gotta be it! They are just plain clueless.

Crusade on!

Oh and Shinyedges. I'm looking at a Bradford Guardian 5. What's your honest opinion on the brand and model. I keep looking for 3V but I always come back to the Guardian 5. Appreciate an honest opinion. Thanks.

Who cares about wood?

Won't be cutting much wood with my knives.

Have other tools for that if needed while saving the knives for cutting stuff like meat etc.....

I typically carry a 4" or 5" fixed blade when out not in town etc and that's all I typically ever really needed knife wise.

Sharpening?

Not likely to need to bother, but some SIC slurry on the back of the sheath or a belt is more than enough for a quick touch up if the need arises however unlikely that may be.