711 vs bk9

[Huntsman Knife Co. LLC.]

Ok here is an attempt at a real answer

In terms of much knife to pick- they are very different blades, pick the one that you feel will be best for your wallet and best for the application you are choosing. If you are leaning towards a chopper, go BK9, if you want an all arounder, the 711 is the answer.

Which knife is better?
Design- Design is what is most important. Some users favor the basic handle, others like the becker handle, its all personal preference. There is no best here.

Steel- Regardless of fandom or hype I think it has been proven over the years that 52100 with an optimal heat treat is a better steel than any incarnation of 1095 with an optimal heat treat.
52100 can be hardened deeper, will hold its edge better through every cutting medium, has roughly the same stain resistance, and is tougher than 1095. 52100 is literally better at everything and worse at nothing. It's an improvement over 1095 and will perform better but it also costs more.

So to conclude, with the scrap yard knife, you will be getting a better steel at a higher price. BUT design, price, and comfort are what is most important as both steels will do just fine.

And just to clarify I have heavily used tons of 1095 and more SR101/52100 than I can even remember but for me, in my personal use, the performance advantage of 52100 over 1095 is worth the price.

 

[dallastxco]

What data would you like?

Not to gang up on you or anything, but from reading the thread it is obvious that you are just looking to aggravate rather than to provide any input. Knife lovers can appreciate both pieces and draw their own conclusions, or contribute in a constructive way. You haven't done either, and instead you are ruining the reputation of the knife maker you support and their group.

 

[rigid650]

I don't guess knifetests.com is enough...

nope
you make the claim, time for YOU to back up YOUR S#it, G

 

[Maddogg774]

I'm out.

 

[1066vik]

mmmmmmmmmmmm.......
sandwich.....
omnomnomnom...........
anybody got any popcorn left?

 

[edctac]

 

[The Warrior]

 

[Bladite]

So are you saying the Becker is superior to the Scrapyard regardless of price?

never said that. nope. read what i said.

you made a challenge, without proof. i have no idea what thread you're referring to.

noss's tests are not tests. they're entertainment. he's had $15 knives past these "tests". not very good knives when he's done. shrug.

if i went into the Bussee forum and said Busse sucks, and that my knife was better, they're would be a hog rally, a screaming drag down fight. even with proof.

us? we're asking for data. so we can decide. ideally, we'd put a 711 right in there with a BK9, step for step. task for task.

in 30 *years* of Becker, we have mere handfuls of breakage. that's a pretty good thing right there.

a good warranty too. really good. like, a new knife (for not abuse). no quibbles. well, except for Noss

seems reasonable? i think so.

 

[Bladite]

and now, back to fun, friendly discussions on the merits of either knife

 

[Ethan Becker]

I HATE wasted energy.....

ethan

 

[clich]

Damn I just wasted alot of time catching up on this. Just buy a Chinese shrade old timer and be done with it

 

[Murphnuge]

I slept through it? Damn! I think Kal El answered it best though. I'm not a metallurgist or anything and am still just starting to learn about steels, but at least he answered fairly. I'm sticking with Becker though. None of the Busse designs appeal to me. Plus I think Gary Busse works there between movies.

 

[Bladite]

Becker is easy to buy click. two days.

Bussseee is hard to buy. they actually do have 3 knives i'm amused by, but have no burning need for. one day.

 

[GingivitisKahn]

Dear Ethan, I made my point...the Scrapyard is superior to the BK9...that was the question, wasn't it. I sorry if i upset your delicate sensibilities with my good natured ribbing of a Rival company.

Well, if your point was that weak humor doesn't work very well in print, I think you proved that. If your point was to show that gratuitous assertion is ineffective (i.e. my knife is better than yours - the end), I think you showed that. If your point was to show that trolls are annoying, you succeeded.

Otherwise... No.


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Beckerhead #42

 

[scouter27]

I don't guess knifetests.com is enough, or the link of the thread in this sub-forum that i previously posted or the lack of pics, reports or posts about a Scrapyard failing. Maybe that Sr101 is a high grade shock steel higher tensile strength, greater density and more uniform carbide distribution than 1095crovan. Sooo humm...I guess it only because I like it better.

Knifetests is not exactly scientific.

One anecdote about a broken BK9 is not evidence of anything other than one broken knife. The lack of such an anecdote about a Scrapyard suggests that no one is using them hard enough to break them as exactly as much as it suggests that they are unbreakable.

"Higher grade steel" is not equal to "better knife".

I'm out.

That's rather lazy and/or cowardly of you, doncha think? Apparently having your beliefs questioned in every possible way has shaken you enough that you had to run and hide. I'm not a Becker Fanboy. If I'm a fanboy of any knife maker it's Strider Knives, since I regularly seem to own more of them than anything else. I still don't come in here and say the the BK line is crap because Strider S30V is better. I don't believe they are better, just different. I don't mind spending more on something I like, but I don't get hurt when someone tells me that something else is as good, or nearly so, for less money.



The beauty of our time is that we have these choices. Everyone can have a unique set of knives that they use or collect in peace and harmony with other knife enthusiasts.

 

[Moosez45]

My, my, my, ya'll sure have been busy, since last time I checked in on this thread.

Hmmmmm............

What to do, what to do, what to do. Well, here's what we got, since Ethan got involved, I'll let it go until the shit gets out of hand.

Ya'll done pretty good at skating the line with it, you only went over a few times, so, here's my point on this whole debacle.

I wanted to close this thread from the OP, I didn't, because I like to hear about knives and what they can do. So far, the shout out goes to BRab and Kal El, thanks ya'll.

So, anymore trolling or bashing of BFC members in this thread, I'm going to dust off my infraction wand, and give it work out.

You wanna talk about the knives, by all means, talk it out, proof is in the pudding, and so far, all we got was balloons.

Play nice, Ethan, that means you too.

As for my opinion on which is better, well, that depends on whose buying it. Its "that guys" choice.

Play nice, eyes are upon thee.

Moose

 

[ol_sc]

Git r dun Moose!

 

[dericdesmond]

Bussseee is hard to buy.

Yeah, if you dont own a computer and or brain. Maybe in the case of rare stuff, but IMO, half the fun is in the hunt. But to each his own. Id love to own a big becker some day. Busse just found me first and Ive had no reason or desire to look elsewhere.

Much respect fellow lovers of sharp things:thumbup:

 

[buckmaster96]

Gettij a 9 and izula END OF STORY

p.s. thank you very much

 

[1066vik]

cool - congrats on the purchase.
I'll look forward to your thoughts on them both once you have a chance to try them out.
The izzy drops into a pocket and is easy to forget it's there until you need it.