A Bounty of Borry, a Cornucopia of Compare

[Odaon]

Sarah, awesome post/review! :thumbup: VERY well done!!!

Isn't that blue Handyman that you said was Sweet Gum, instead an epoxy and pine cone handle?



BTW, sorry for showing you the door to this rabbit hole Sarah. You're welcome!

Not Sarah, but I can answer this. Sweetgum trees have an interesting seed pod and that's what you're seeing in the resin. Kind of looks like a pinecone.

 

[pertinux]

Sarah, awesome post/review! :thumbup: VERY well done!!!

S'anks!

Isn't that blue Handyman that you said was Sweet Gum, instead an epoxy and pine cone handle?

Naw, it's Sweet Gum.

From what I've seen in pictures, Pine Cone looks more like fish scales-- a way cool effect, in fact!

"Blue Knife Handle: Now With Tree Parts."

BTW, sorry for showing you the door to this rabbit hole Sarah. You're welcome!

I hate you, and am deeply indebted. The right picture of the right knife at the right time! I love what this adventure has become, which of course now includes being in the midst of this extraordinary opportunity to compare and consider and conHAVE ALL THE THINGS HERE, thanks to Jerry's incredible generosity and trust.

I did something yesterday that has everything to do with Fiddleback Forge and this community here, if perhaps not obviously so: I placed a downpayment on a handmade chair, choosing the wood and leather Of A Certain Color.

The FF connection: 1) I divided out how many knives I could get for the same amount of money before making the decision to go for the chair; 2) my FF Bender coincides with and feeds a renewed desire to surround myself with that which lasts, made directly by artists and craftsman who are invested in their work and their customers.

I am more keenly mindful of the turn for Home, whenever it may come, and newly determined that what I have and use and enjoy-- and leave for those I love-- holds together, through and through, hearts to workmanship to use to the ongoing relationships that are creating company and personal histories with and around the object(s) day by day by day.

Of course, I will always have a lot of necessary evil around (disposable/wear-outy plastic useful things, items that do the job and I like just fine but wouldn't go with me should I move, etc.). But embracing some deeper goals with my Stuff, and the interactions this is spurring with doers and makers, is being good for me.

Pretty freakin' stoked.

~ P.

 

[Scotcha]

Cool thread. Nice knives and reviews [emoji106]

 

[Tim the Wizard]

Liquidambar styraciflua

 

[SpyderPhreak]

Not Sarah, but I can answer this. Sweetgum trees have an interesting seed pod and that's what you're seeing in the resin. Kind of looks like a pinecone.

Ah, I did not know that.

S'anks!



Naw, it's Sweet Gum.

From what I've seen in pictures, Pine Cone looks more like fish scales-- a way cool effect, in fact!

"Blue Knife Handle: Now With Tree Parts."





I hate you, and am deeply indebted. The right picture of the right knife at the right time! I love what this adventure has become, which of course now includes being in the midst of this extraordinary opportunity to compare and consider and conHAVE ALL THE THINGS HERE, thanks to Jerry's incredible generosity and trust.

I did something yesterday that has everything to do with Fiddleback Forge and this community here, if perhaps not obviously so: I placed a downpayment on a handmade chair, choosing the wood and leather Of A Certain Color.

The FF connection: 1) I divided out how many knives I could get for the same amount of money before making the decision to go for the chair; 2) my FF Bender coincides with and feeds a renewed desire to surround myself with that which lasts, made directly by artists and craftsman who are invested in their work and their customers.

I am more keenly mindful of the turn for Home, whenever it may come, and newly determined that what I have and use and enjoy-- and leave for those I love-- holds together, through and through, hearts to workmanship to use to the ongoing relationships that are creating company and personal histories with and around the object(s) day by day by day.

Of course, I will always have a lot of necessary evil around (disposable/wear-outy plastic useful things, items that do the job and I like just fine but wouldn't go with me should I move, etc.). But embracing some deeper goals with my Stuff, and the interactions this is spurring with doers and makers, is being good for me.

Pretty freakin' stoked.

~ P.

Thanks for the image of the seed pod! :thumbup: At first I thought you meant it was Sweet Gum wood, and I thought that made no sense. It's crystal clear now! Cutting a pine cone in the other direction looks kind of similar to the Sweet Gum seed pod.

At some point I'll be buying more FF. Maybe a couple smaller models to start. I hear you on the purchasing of quality, handmade products. I'd much rather have quality over quantity, as joy of ownership is SO much greater! I can't always afford to go that route, but I do so whenever possible.

I want to see pictures of said chair once it arrives! :thumbup:

 

[pertinux]

Friday was a tremendous mail day.

Jerry's Supplementary Shipment:

Something for me from Fiddleback Outpost-- a beautiful blue string with some sort of weird wood and metal thingy attached to it:

The Bear Cub joins my Patch, Esquire, and Stubby Muk:

While the Bear Cub is roughly the same size as the Patch, it is a larger knife in feel and overall dimension(s).

End times:

A bit of flare (note the Bear Cub's handle where the blade begins):

Bear Cub, Patch:

(The lighting isn't what I'd hoped; time and light and I were at odds throughout the week end. The chamois backdrop doesn't earn any style points, but hopefully makes comparative details more visible.)


Jerry specifically asked for views of the Bear Cub in comparison with the Bushnub(s). Here are some pictures for now, with thoughts to come as I go along:

Bushnub II, Bushnub II, Bear Cub, Bushnub

Bushnub, Bear Cub, Bushnub II x 2

Through handling my own knives and especially in contemplation of Jerry's, I am discovering that I seem to be more of a Kephartian than a Bushthing-o. The Bushnubs don't really do it for me; the Bear Cub does.

Similarly, these knives appeal to me in a way that those in the (described-as) Bushcraft family of knives do not:

[Looking again at the Pocket Kephart, if the knife kept its blade proportions but added an inch(?) to the handle, it would have my full attention-- and possibly even displace the Esquire. Hard to say, however, given how an Esquire instantly classes up any picture or situation in which it finds itself. I mean, just look! ]

More thoughts and pictures soon; representative pictures in the meantime:

~ P.

 

[Odaon]

Dang!!! I'm looking forward to the additional pictures, comparisons, and thoughts that come from this! Great job so far, every time I see this thread with a new comment I come in hoping it's one of your detail filled musings. :thumbup:

 

[Luca917]

Dang!!! In looking forward to the additional pictures, comparisons, and thoughts that come from this! Great job so far, every time o see this thread with a new comment I come in hoping it's one of your detail filled musings. :thumbup:

I second this.

 

[pertinux]

Dang!!! In looking forward to the additional pictures, comparisons, and thoughts that come from this! Great job so far, every time o see this thread with a new comment I come in hoping it's one of your detail filled musings. :thumbup:

I second this.

Thanks, and I'll do my best! It's admittedly daunting, having this many new-to-me knives here at once, attempting to do Jerry's opportunity justice and honor the Makers' work, with my relatively limited knife skill set and less time than this chance deserves.

[ponders taking a day off, for Knives.]

I got off work early on Friday with a lovely afternoon all planned out, to delve and photograph and Think and write, only to be thwarted by others' unexpected plans throughout my house. It wasn't Bad, just not what I'd had in mind, At All.

The week end brought more of the same!

It all ended up feeling like this:
[video=youtube;jNfvFkj1H10]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNfvFkj1H10[/video]
(Substitute, "Have space and time to contemplate knives" for "get rid of a bomb" at the end of the clip, and that's how my last few days have gone.)
I intended to add more commentary when I posted last night's pictures, but ran out of wherewithal.

I shall double back as I go forward.

~ P.

 

[Warrior108]

~ P.

All,

Sheesh, this is very helpful and I get to learn so much about my own knives .. The sweet gum deal, others comments, observations, perspectives.


Hey Sarah,

Thanks for the comparison pics of the Bearcub with the Bushnubs! Aesthetically I just don't like the end of the blade on the Kephart and it goes for the Bearcub as well. This of course has nothing to do with the knife, the maker, others' appreciation for them. In fact, I'm probably the one losing out because it looks like it would do well with drilling and sharp turn-in cutting.

The Batman video had me totally cracking up yesterday when I got to watch it and I don't know how he wasn't cussing up a storm. I know there's the aspect of your wanting to get through these and review, compare, use and photograph them as quickly as possible but please don't feel rushed.

btw, I just received a few new Osprey K/T knives yesterday. Two of them (an Apache and a Mamushi) have carbon fiber handles which helps with the weight and still keeps the grip, just like the Raptor you have there. They are both K variants and even more appealing to me than the non-K variants. Sorry but I'm not going to be sending these to you for comparison since I don't want to put them down

In Chris' words:

(K) variant is the way I am using to denote a variant of a model better intended for Kitchen use and food prep, usually this means in addition to being guardless the handle positioning will be more upswept than the regular version.

Thanks again,
Jerry

 

[pertinux]

Hey Sarah,

Thanks for the comparison pics of the Bearcub with the Bushnubs! Aesthetically I just don't like the end of the blade on the Kephart and it goes for the Bearcub as well. This of course has nothing to do with the knife, the maker, others' appreciation for them. In fact, I'm probably the one losing out because it looks like it would do well with drilling and sharp turn-in cutting.

I was bracing to do without my Bear Cub for a time, sending it back with your knives so you could compare it in person with your own known quantities, but it looks like I've been spared. I'm the same way: if I don't care for the aesthetics of a given pattern, I'm going to keep moving, no matter what other merits the knife might possess. Shallow waters, perhaps, but life's too short (and the choices too grand) to exert energy trying to like something.

I broke away from Shadetree with the Bear Cub (gasp), and it has no blue on it save for Robert's string (another gasp), but boy howdy do I love the knife. The contours and finish of the wood make me want to just keep holding and using it; a righteous handful. In fact, I had it out for a 'compare' with some [of your] patterns, addressing a block of basswood, and ended up just happily cutting with the Bear Cub the whole time. I didn't want to put it down. Still don't!

My only regret is that I cannot comfortably carry it at work. I mean, I can carry it comfortably thanks to my R. Lowe crossdraw sheath, but it's a little too big for my regular contexts, and I don't want to raise any eyebrows, flags, or objections that result in a Rule that puts kiboshes on carrying even my smaller fixed blades.

[Thinks of ways to reconfigure job and life so she can carry the Bear Cub allthetime.]

Out of curiosity, where/how does the Gaucho work for you? It shares a similar pointiness to the Bear Cub, if with more belly...?

I'm also curious to hear how you chose the Bushnubs (original and II) from the number of 'bush-' knives available, and especially over against the Bushcraft, Jr.? Me, I'd go for full Bushfinger over all of them. So far.

The Batman video had me totally cracking up yesterday when I got to watch it and I don't know how he wasn't cussing up a storm. I know there's the aspect of your wanting to get through these and review, compare, use and photograph them as quickly as possible but please don't feel rushed.

... Thanks. I have been feeling pushed. I'll be relieved once all your knives are safely back with you, but have so been enjoying this opportunity, and looking forward to more time, and it's fascinating what's come up to thwart me near and far, home and at work.

So, bite-sized pieces as I peck away at this. Everyone's comments and questions help me focus.

btw, I just received a few new Osprey K/T knives yesterday. Two of them (an Apache and a Mamushi) have carbon fiber handles which helps with the weight and still keeps the grip, just like the Raptor you have there. They are both K variants and even more appealing to me than the non-K variants. Sorry but I'm not going to be sending these to you for comparison since I don't want to put them down

I totally identify with that feeling! Chris's knives are extraordinary, if not my cup of tea in the long run. He's accomplished something with one of them in particular that I look forward to highlighting.

~~~~~~~


Onward: Jerry's supplemental batch o' knives contained another Handyman, a 1/8" TT model in Ruby Burlap to compare directly with the 3/32" SFT Sweet Gum version I already had here.

I like the Ruby one so much better, it's amazing; the two knives are so similar in size and dimension, the difference-maker has to be the Tapered Tang. Uh, right?

Similar size, relative thickness, and contours:

3/32" SFT

1/8" TT

Even though the handles are so similar, the blue knife feels so much rounder and non-balanced (not unbalanced, just no discernible weightedness) than the red, which possesses balance both unobtrusive and becoming. The blue SFT version feels over-handled in comparison, in a way that I wouldn't not have guessed simply by looking at the knives together.

I am now wondering: if given a choice between two knives of the same pattern, one 1/8" TT and the other 3/32" or 1/8" SFT, how many of you prefer a SFT knife, and why? I'm loving the TT knives I'm handling, Jerry's and now the Bear Cub, to the point that I'm going to be looking for it specifically from here on out, save for the small knives which 3/32" SFT suits just fine.

Back to the Bear Cub (best get used to it!): as compelling an argument as the Ruby Handyman makes for the pattern, in size, handle comfort, and balance, the pattern as a whole still registers as "Fine" vs. "Oh Baby Baby," the latter of which is an increasingly guiding metric for me, and which the Bear Cub evokes in spades.

My first round of Compare, I was especially cognizant of the ends of the knife handles and how they interacted with my persnickety pinky. I'm still mindful of that, but for this latest bout I've found myself honing in more on the area where the blades meet the handles, how my thumb and forefinger are oriented relative to one another when gripping the knives, and if there are any build similarities that I can key off of in considering future knives from afar.

Bear Cub, Handyman

The area of interest:

A clearer view of difference in handle contours:

(I've come to appreciate this last comparative shot very much, which is why I pictured the Bushnubs with the Bear Cub the same way. Having the handles' lower contours aligned like this, I can more clearly see the differences by noting the symmetry of the shape created between the handles, or lack of thereof-- than when the knives are lined up over one another).

More soon.

~ P.

 

[pertinux]

Moving right along...

In taking [what turned out to be the first set of] group pictures last week end, I inadvertently confirmed a distinct characteristic of one of the knives:

Spot it? Or rather, don't see it?

(Betcha Jerry nails this one, fast. )


Another clue:

There, to the far left.

... The Jarrett Fleming Osprey is so svelte, I didn't realize that I hadn't removed it from the knife roll to include in the array until looking at the pictures hours later.

So while the knife is slimmer than I'd prefer for general use...

... it just made its case, again, for a good-sized knife that is sleek enough to disappear!

Of the second batch of arrivals, the knife that has made the biggest impression is Chris Linton's (Osprey Knife & Tool) Hunter:

Jerry's specs tell me this is 1/8" CPM154, TT Commando Black G10, overall length 9", blade 4.5".

The pattern doesn't fall within my preferred aesthetic, the knife is way bigger (and heavier) than anything I am familiar with using, the all-black does nothing for my inner parakeet, and when I pick it up I go

OH.

Every single time.

The knife socks into my hand like none other I've handled thus far; the balance is extraordinary, not just front to back, but vertically(?) as well-- it neither tips forward nor keens back, but just rests in, ready.

[I have no idea if the knife would measure as 'balanced' if evaluated more objectively and/or with an actual scale, but such is its feel in my hand.]

While the handle's lines would seem to mirror those of other knives that raise complaints with my persnickety pinky...

...its breadth renders this a non-factor:

And then I put it down, and pick it up again like this:

OH.

A revelation, this knife. While it falls outside the conscribed criteria for my own selection of fixed blades, I am grateful for this foray outside my comfort zones, and will be thinking about the different elements at work here-- and Chris's skill-- for some time to come. :thumbup:

~ P.

 

[pertinux]

OK&T Hunter, Apache:

On paper, I would have assumed I would like the Apache more than the Hunter due to its relatively smaller size and lines:

In some ways I did, but all told the handle didn't work for me as well as other choices, and that OH thing didn't happen to compensate. I chalk this up to my idiosyncratic personal preferences once again, especially now learning to better identify commonalities in what I do and do not like, even if the knives I'm comparing are very different.

But also once again, if handed this knife in isolation I would be happy with it roughly forever.

So many fine details, finished so smoothly the eye discovers what the fingers cannot:

A tail end that bothers not the p. pinky:

OK&T's Raptor:

This is another which falls very decidedly outside of my preferred aesthetics, which I may have tried to overcome more concertedly had my brain and hand had any idea what to do with the blade's high, upswept tip. Even more, the handle kept trying to tell my hand what to do, and as I believe I've established, my hand and I get way stubborn when told what to do.

This grip, especially, had my hand wanting to be more upright and forward:

Upon which discovery, I picked up a number of knives in succession to try to determine the relationship between finger angle and orientation and what felt 'right', discovering a loose preference to having my thumb and the first joint of my index finger roughly line up (as opposed to my thumb being thrown forward). Maybe?

Patch

Bear Cub

Handyman

Gaucho

(It really just comes down to each knife/handle. )

~ P.

 

[Warrior108]

Moving right along...

... The Jarrett Fleming Osprey is so svelte, I didn't realize that I hadn't removed it from the knife roll to include in the array until looking at the pictures hours later.

So while the knife is slimmer than I'd prefer for general use...

... it just made its case, again, for a good-sized knife that is sleek enough to disappear!

Of the second batch of arrivals, the knife that has made the biggest impression is Chris Linton's (Osprey Knife & Tool) Hunter:

Jerry's specs tell me this is 1/8" CPM154, TT Commando Black G10, overall length 9", blade 4.5".

The pattern doesn't fall within my preferred aesthetic, the knife is way bigger (and heavier) than anything I am familiar with using, the all-black does nothing for my inner parakeet, and when I pick it up I go

OH.

Every single time.

The knife socks into my hand like none other I've handled thus far; the balance is extraordinary, not just front to back, but vertically(?) as well-- it neither tips forward nor keens back, but just rests in, ready.

[I have no idea if the knife would measure as 'balanced' if evaluated more objectively and/or with an actual scale, but such is its feel in my hand.]

While the handle's lines would seem to mirror those of other knives that raise complaints with my persnickety pinky...

...its breadth renders this a non-factor:

And then I put it down, and pick it up again like this:

OH.

A revelation, this knife. While it falls outside the conscribed criteria for my own selection of fixed blades, I am grateful for this foray outside my comfort zones, and will be thinking about the different elements at work here-- and Chris's skill-- for some time to come. :thumbup:

~ P.

Sarah,

As always, thanks for the additional updates and insight. I found this post interesting in that it highlighted two Ospreys; one being an Osprey model and one being an Osprey. Different makers of course.

Jarrett recently opened his books again, just about when I received that Osprey. It is a great all around size and I'll be carrying it due to great EDC size and how thin it is also. I ordered another from Jarrett in 1/8" TT and with a slightly wider handle. They'll both likely get a lot of sheath/use time and I'm hoping will be a nice compliment to each other.

I must say that your impression of the Osprey K&T Hunter's "pleasant surprise factor" describes mine as well for that very same knife. You just can't beat the balance, feel and handling on it! I've got another OKT Hunter in Bog Oak and it is equally delightful. It makes me wonder if every single one of Chris' Hunters are the same way (knowing that custom made knives vary somewhat). I've recently been trying to draw out a design for Chris of a down-sized Apache and your comments made me think that maybe I'm ought to be looking for a down-sized Hunter. Again, they don't differ that much on paper but the Hunter handle is slightly different. Because the model is ever so slightly larger than the Apache, I'd tend to carry the Apache because it just that much less intimidating to non knife folk in public. When not going to be in public is when I rotate my larger knives into use. I need to go revisit my most recent mock-ups for Chris. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ress-Preview-01-23-17?p=16869611#post16869611



Thanks again for helping me appreciate my knives' nuances even more.

- Jerry

 

[Warrior108]

My loaned knives/sheaths are on their way back home and I thought I'd share this for public amusement. I'm sure some of you can relate.


It will be nice to get them back but there will be trade-off's.

• With my selection of EDC choices being pared down, I've been much quicker to get out of the house. (VS) If you have that many to choose from, it can be kinda paralyzing trying to choose what you want to EDC for the day or weekend. What will I need? What if .. ? That may be too big/scary for church/store/mall ... That may be too small for ... Aww hell, I'll just take these 3, or maybe 4 ... (1st world problems, huh?)
• With the whole flock home, I'll be "more at risk" if the Wife wants to look in the safe.
• Holy heck, where did I have all of these stored?
• Ugh, time to do preventative maintenance and mineral oil them all.

Tony, Hee So, Bob, Gus, Nathan, Douglas, Jarrett, all the Phillips, etc. .. In advance, thanks for the offer of taking them off my hands but I'm sure I'll be able to handle it just fine. :thumbup:

 

[Odaon]

Tactical cargo pants, one in each of the 17 pockets, 2 in each boot, and a Bishop strapped to your back?

 

[Fiddleback]

Insane cool thread. Open handles, and no droop. I'll think on that.

 

[adequacy]

To Pertinux,

Sorry to jump on this thread so late. I thoroughly enjoyed reading every bit of it. The photos and the analysis are simply outstanding. It's really helpful to read when making your own decisions about purchasing some of these great blades. It's also very interesting to read considering I have gone through similar experiences trying out new configurations and deciding what my personal tastes are. Thanks so much for doing this.

To Jerry,

Holy hell. What an incredible gesture this whole thing was. Thanks for being such an incredible member to this community.

 

[pertinux]

Jarrett recently opened his books again, just about when I received that Osprey. It is a great all around size and I'll be carrying it due to great EDC size and how thin it is also. I ordered another from Jarrett in 1/8" TT and with a slightly wider handle. They'll both likely get a lot of sheath/use time and I'm hoping will be a nice complement to each other.

That sounds fantastic! The Osprey you sent my way is an elegant knife as it stands, but I think the extra girth will (also) suit the pattern well. I look forward to seeing what you think! -- Also notable with the Osprey: the level of finish on the natural micarta, bringing it to a glassy sheen. That made an interesting contrast to the less-finished navy blue, with its extra grippiness.

Just, interesting choices with a pleasant result in hand.

I must say that your impression of the Osprey K&T Hunter's "pleasant surprise factor" describes mine as well for that very same knife. ... I've recently been trying to draw out a design for Chris of a down-sized Apache and your comments made me think that maybe I'm ought to be looking for a down-sized Hunter.

You may be right...? A knife's proportioned elements do not necessarily result in the same interplay when scaled up or down, so I wouldn't begin to know what makes The Difference, or how that might carry over to a different pattern altogether.

[For example, I think I'd love a Kephart sized between the Pocket Kephart and the Bear Cub, bearing the relative proportions of the PK but at least one order bigger-- but have no idea if that would actually work.]

Thanks again for helping me appreciate my knives' nuances even more.

Very obv, I am grateful for however my efforts give back to you, in any way!

My loaned knives/sheaths are on their way back home and I thought I'd share this for public amusement. I'm sure some of you can relate.


It will be nice to get them back but there will be trade-off's.

• With my selection of EDC choices being pared down, I've been much quicker to get out of the house. (VS) If you have that many to choose from, it can be kinda paralyzing trying to choose what you want to EDC for the day or weekend. What will I need? What if .. ? That may be too big/scary for church/store/mall ... That may be too small for ... Aww hell, I'll just take these 3, or maybe 4 ... (1st world problems, huh?)
• With the whole flock home, I'll be "more at risk" if the Wife wants to look in the safe.
• Holy heck, where did I have all of these stored?
• Ugh, time to do preventative maintenance and mineral oil them all.

That's a great list!

As for the last point, I didn't wipe down the blades while your knives were here, fearful of accidentally rubbing something into 'em. As can be seen in some of the pictures, this means I left your oil(?) and whatever-was-attracted-to-it intact. They're due for your ministrations.

Insane cool thread. Open handles, and no droop. I'll think on that.

Thanks, Andy! I cannot say enough how much I love your work, and what you inspire in others, across the board.

As I hope I've made it clear throughout, my own preferences are just that-- what I prefer-- and not meant in any way a criticism of a knife/attributes that I don't find as desirable. But what fun, to discover what suits me, in the midst of so many wonderful choices-- most definitely including more 'open' handles, fore and aft.

To Pertinux,

Sorry to jump on this thread so late. I thoroughly enjoyed reading every bit of it.

Thanks for your kind words.

Holy hell. What an incredible gesture this whole thing was. Thanks for being such an incredible member to this community.

ABSOLUTELY. I have gained immensely in so many ways because of this, in education, encouragement, and good company.

~P.

 

[varga49]

My loaned knives/sheaths are on their way back home and I thought I'd share this for public amusement. I'm sure some of you can relate.


It will be nice to get them back but there will be trade-off's.

• With my selection of EDC choices being pared down, I've been much quicker to get out of the house. (VS) If you have that many to choose from, it can be kinda paralyzing trying to choose what you want to EDC for the day or weekend. What will I need? What if .. ? That may be too big/scary for church/store/mall ... That may be too small for ... Aww hell, I'll just take these 3, or maybe 4 ... (1st world problems, huh?)
• With the whole flock home, I'll be "more at risk" if the Wife wants to look in the safe.
• Holy heck, where did I have all of these stored?
• Ugh, time to do preventative maintenance and mineral oil them all.

Tony, Hee So, Bob, Gus, Nathan, Douglas, Jarrett, all the Phillips, etc. .. In advance, thanks for the offer of taking them off my hands but I'm sure I'll be able to handle it just fine. :thumbup:

Dang!!.... beat us to the punch


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