A Bounty of Borry, a Cornucopia of Compare

Fiddleback Forge Asp in tangerine (third from bottom):
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My quick images don't capture how lovely this color is in person, a deeper hue than pops out of most pictures.

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The Asp fits in my hand as I would expect, ie, very directly and encouraging forward movement. This is not something I look for in a knife (heh), but I appreciate how well the design is executed to that end.

And, to this end:
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:)

-- While the wider top guard(? not sure what to call it. Double guard? hiltlet?) would be useful in preventing one's hand from sliding forward while making certain cuts, it gets in my way for most of the types of uses I enjoy, not least the all-important task of making pieces of wood smaller. Through these comparisons and closer observation, I've come to realize how often I end up with both thumbs on the spine of my blade whilst cutting, and how that informs my preferred ergonomics.*

*And here, I secretly hope those reading pull out a knife or two to figure out what I mean, thumbs here and there on blades, similar to how "Did you know it's impossible to lick your elbow?" leads to, well, you know. :D



A quick illustration, with my Bear Cub:
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(I think this is why I enjoy some of the thicker-stock knives more than I expected-- they are more comfortable under my thumbs.)

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One last look at the WASurls trio:
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Again I say: that Arctic Ice is some of the most beautiful material I've seen, on a knife or otherwise, the gradations of blue and white shot through with silver, the distinctive FF/WAS pins evoking the centers of flowers.... Y'all gots any more of it around?!

Thank you for such an insightfull review, and comparison. I am really enjoying reading this post, can't wait to hear your thoughts on that palmer.

The Palmer itself doesn't quite do it for me, Arctic Ice or no; it registers as 'bulky' for its size, while its slightly curved tail cramps my hand (and here I reference my persnickety pinky, once again)-- especially as compared with my Esquire. Mind you, the Esquire isn't the most comfortable knife I've handled, but it fits together in pocket, use, and Style Points better than the Palmer.

The Big Palmer is hardly 'big,' but I found it far more comfortable, with more obvious potential in the using, than its smaller sibling (sorry for the poor lighting):
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The WAS knife that continued to call me back was, is, the Bobcat. What a beaut!
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(Old School Karda, WAS Bobcat)

I love its size and its lines, and want to like the knife more than I do. The osage orange is fantastic stuff, too; the wood's vaunted density leads to an incredible feel in-hand, and looks far better (and more interesting) in person than I expected it to based on pictures alone-- my own now included.

Look how (rightfully) golden it appears here as opposed to the picture above-- top row, third from the left:
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Natural with Blue is always a good thing. :)
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I spent a lot of time with the comparisons represented by this picture:
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The Bobcat, with its greater length and similar contours, looks like it should be as comfortable as the Esquire, if not more so, but it wasn't. Isn't, for me. Yet, those of you with larger hands (which I'm guessing is most of you!) may well come to an opposite conclusion, particularly if the curved end of the Bobcat's handle nestles between your ring and pinky fingers, vs how it either tried to constrain my four fingers on the handle or fall on the wrong place on my pinky.

A beautiful little knife, no matter what. :thumbup:

... As is the Old School Karda, which merits consideration on its lines alone, but I could make even less sense of it in-hand when I returned to it again. This newly-favorite comparative view provides a clue as to how wildly the OS Karda's handle profile varies from what I'm narrowing down to be my preferred characteristics:
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Very similar blades, marked departure from the neck down. :)



Still ahead: Gaucho, Bushfinger(s), and an EDC round-up.

Including, have I mentioned recently how much I love my Bear Cub?!?
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~ P.
 
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pertinux said:

To Jerry,

Holy hell. What an incredible gesture this whole thing was. Thanks for being such an incredible member to this community.

Hey Ryan,

No problemo! :D

While there's a bit of risk here (eg USPS misplacing a package) I trust Sarah, as I'd trust a number of frequent flyers here. This has been a lot of fun in reading her posts and commentaries and then seeing the additional conversations spawned. I don't have a lot of time to do reviews, many others here contribute to the good of the community of friends and this is the least I could do to help Sarah and others in the process.

It really just started as a way to show her there are more models out there besides the Esquire and that there are other colors/patterns besides BLUE. While the persnickety pinky still has a lot of sway, the Ironwood Bear Cub might be evidence that the latter worked. lol


Now then .. I've got to go make a quick run to see how the group worked in testing as screwdrivers, pry bars and such.
Your item is available at a PO Box at 9:09 am on February 1, 2017 in VICTORIA, TX 77903.
 
While there's a bit of risk here (eg USPS misplacing a package) I trust Sarah, as I'd trust a number of frequent flyers here. This has been a lot of fun in reading her posts and commentaries and then seeing the additional conversations spawned. I don't have a lot of time to do reviews, many others here contribute to the good of the community of friends and this is the least I could do to help Sarah and others in the process.

I have sure enjoyed having this wealth of resource here with me-- so much became clear, so quickly! It'd be great if the various patterns juxtapositions and observations help others else learn more about the knives, and hopefully find one(s) they love themselves.

It really just started as a way to show her there are more models out there besides the Esquire and that there are other colors/patterns besides BLUE. While the persnickety pinky still has a lot of sway, the Ironwood Bear Cub might be evidence that the latter worked. lol

:D It's funny, and true. Natural materials are my default favorite, not just for knife handles but for many other items as well. Yet, it's Shadetree Blue that brought me to Fiddleback at all, and for the most part I've been dancing with what brung me. Your wooden-handled knives confirmed what I'd suspected-- incredible feel in hand, better even than I'd envisioned-- even if most of them were some kind of weird black color. :p This, combined all-at-once with my wondering what I might like better 'n your Bushnubs and loving the weight of your different TT offerings, had everything to do with my jumping on the non-Shadetree, non-Blue Bear Cub when I did (including, I suddenly wanted it here in time to compare with your knives). I love the thing unreasonably....

Now then .. I've got to go make a quick run to see how the group worked in testing as screwdrivers, pry bars and such.
Your item is available at a PO Box at 9:09 am on February 1, 2017 in VICTORIA, TX 77903.

Now, now, let's not embellish.

I was batonning bricks.

(Thanks for letting me know of the safe arrival. Big, big relief.)

~ P.
 
One of the two knives I actually asked Jerry if I could borrow was a Gaucho, a pattern under consideration to keep my knuckles out of the mayonnaise, as t'were. (More about my selection goals here.)

In sum, I am pondering the addition of a larger (real size! :D) Fiddleback complementary to the knives I already have, and the Gaucho catches my eye whenever it appears in pictures here.

Here is a contemplated array, Jerry's Gaucho and Sylvrfalcen with my Patch and Esquire:
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While smaller than I'd envisioned (even with helpful comparative pictures), I like the Gaucho just fine, even more in use than in appearance, and it fits well in my hand:
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However, in the midst of wondering if "Gaucho," my Bear Cub arrived, smiting my little heart and presenting with a blade more similar to the Gaucho's than I expected.
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Two very different knives, of course, but the Gaucho was suddenly no longer in the "Now for something completely different" category I'm fumbling towards.

Jerry's second package arrived the same day as my Bear Cub, and included two Bushfingers. And yes, this was Systems Overload, and then some.

The top three knives = Gaucho, Bushfinger, Bushfinger:
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Gaucho, Bushfinger

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Bushfinger, Gaucho, Bear Cub

I could have sworn I took pictures of the Bushfinger(s) in hand, including a visual illustration that they provide the proper p. pinky clearances, but am coming up dry.

Jerry's bog oak Bushfinger is TT 5/32", the grody BR is 1/8" TT, and both sat very well in my hand. Once again, I really liked the balance and relative heft of tapered 5/32", leading me to believe I might welcome some extra whomp-whomp in a bigger blade, long-term.

The entire comparative experience with these bigger knives has been illuminating, and as yet inconclusive: I can only really carry and use smaller knives on a regular basis, so I want to be possibly even more certain-sure of whatever larger knife I add, that it's really something I would enjoy having more than another in the EDC range.

[I want to carry my Bear Cub for every day and for always, and it's already on the too-big size for most of my daily environments.]

Also, while I do like the form factor of the Gaucho, if going for just one of the two patterns I am now leaning towards a Bushfinger instead. In person, the pattern strikes me as having more substance, not (just) in material form and weight but within itself-- a presence born of intentioned yet well-rounded design that speaks to me in a different and more affecting way than the Gaucho.

Bushfinger, Bear Cub:
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Yes, I like what I'm seeing here, with these two knives together. Well, apart from the Brisket Rub. :barf: :D

~ P.
 
Of all the knives Jerry sent my way...

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... there is one I miss most, and now realize I photographed more than any other-- a clue.

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In various juxtapositions with our combined knives...

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... and with my own.

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Funny, how a little knife sorta takes hold...

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... despite one's careful determinations of how others already hit its mark better, in one's hands.

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--- The small natural bolster on the darker navy Shadetree is a winning look on any pattern, and the knife's lines appeal to my eyes and continue to beckon me back despite the handle's comparative discomfort as delineated in my earlier posts.

I've played around with some images and scale to see what a slightly larger Pocket Kephart might look like, or a smaller Bear Cub, and am gaining a new appreciation for knife design. One cannot simply enlarge or reduce a given pattern and achieve the desired effect; certain elements have to be reproportioned to maintain/capture what 'works' in the original size. Hmmmmm.

Beautiful lil' knife, though, in this iteration and in others' images of theirs.

Thanks again, Jerry.

I think?! :D

~ P.
 
Jerry's bog oak Bushfinger is TT 5/32", the grody BR is 1/8" TT, and both sat very well in my hand.


Yes, I like what I'm seeing here, with these two knives together. Well, apart from the Brisket Rub. :barf: :D

~ P.

Always bustin on my Brisket :rolleyes: :D More for me .. IF they ever decide to ditch the SUPER Grody Dead 70's and get some more classic Brisket Rub


Of all the knives Jerry sent my way...
... there is one I miss most, and now realize I photographed more than any other-- a clue.


Funny, how a little knife sorta takes hold...
... despite one's careful determinations of how others already hit its mark better, in one's hands.


--- The small natural bolster on the darker navy Shadetree is a winning look on any pattern, and the knife's lines appeal to my eyes and continue to beckon me back despite the handle's comparative discomfort as delineated in my earlier posts.

I've played around with some images and scale to see what a slightly larger Pocket Kephart might look like, or a smaller Bear Cub, and am gaining a new appreciation for knife design. One cannot simply enlarge or reduce a given pattern and achieve the desired effect; certain elements have to be reproportioned to maintain/capture what 'works' in the original size. Hmmmmm.

Yeah, you can't just resize or stretch all the time. I'm not sure if you're just after a longer handle or both a longer handle and blade but this method might help in identifying what you're after. It basically just stretches a portion that is the same size top-to-bottom and then you keep the overall geometry for the blade belly and/or the handle.

Note: I included the little slices separately so you could more easily see what I repeatedly copied/pasted and inserted. This method works on the PK because it has a lot of straight lines and may not work well on other models such as the Apache where you just have to draw it out and redesign from scratch if you wanted to scale it down.

Does this help? Do either of these strike your fancy better?

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Keep em coming. Love the posts.

... Thanks!
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Have I mentioned recently how much I love your work?!

I never imagined having access to so many patterns at one time, and may never recover from the incredible opportunity-- while trying to make the most of it now, and going forward.

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Always bustin on my Brisket :rolleyes: :D More for me .. IF they ever decide to ditch the SUPER Grody Dead 70's and get some more classic Brisket Rub.

Precisely! My preferences should come as a relief to those of you who are already vying over bog oak, brisket rub, osage orange and the like.

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Yeah, you can't just resize or stretch all the time. I'm not sure if you're just after a longer handle or both a longer handle and blade but this method might help in identifying what you're after. It basically just stretches a portion that is the same size top-to-bottom and then you keep the overall geometry for the blade belly and/or the handle.

Note: I included the little slices separately so you could more easily see what I repeatedly copied/pasted and inserted. This method works on the PK because it has a lot of straight lines and may not work well on other models such as the Apache where you just have to draw it out and redesign from scratch if you wanted to scale it down.

This is fantastic! Thanks!

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Does this help? Do either of these strike your fancy better?

Of the two, the first modification is more what I have in mind, maintaining the (relatively) foreshortened blade while adding just thaaaat much more handle? But the second one, with the slightly longer blade, looks really great as well-- it keeps the balance of the design better in its blade-to-handle ratio. And of course, the proof would be in hand.

If nothing else, I am more convinced than ever that I would enjoy a full range of Kepharts and variations thereof, a la the overflowing FF Karda family. :D

~ P.
 
Wow S. What an awesome opportunity. It's one thing to read measurements on forums, look at pics and read the opinion of others on knives; but to have so many of them in hand, all at once, is very enlightening. Especially given the plethora of Fiddleback models, plus the other fine makers in the shop doing their own thing. I'm still digesting this thread, but you are the man Jerry. Very generous (and brave) to ship off that many knives at once for a fellow enthusiast to try out.

I personally love the Kephart as well. I never tried for any of the smaller varieties but I think you are on to something with the PK. A little more handle on the same blade length could prove enticing over the thinner Esquire handle. I do love the handle combo on that Pocket kephart (natural bolster over navy). Your newly acquired Bear cub is very nice.

You are right, I think the Tangerine burlap is pretty underrated. It is great in person. In photographs, however.... 90% of the time it leaves much to be desired. I like the way it fades and changes in use, then freshens right up with a coat of mineral oil. The ruby burlap is like this as well, or at least for me in taking good photos of it.

I'll be coming back to this, I've missed a lot. Thanks Sarah and Jerry!
 
My boss just asked why I wasn't in the field. I spent the last 2 hours pouring over this tremendous thread. Oops. :o

~P, you did an incredible job throughout this thread, and I can't tell you how much it's made me think about future knife purchases. I don't have a Fiddleback (yet?), but I've admired their beauty. Your photos and descriptions go well beyond just FF, though, when taking into regards p.pinky, handle contours, TT vs SFT, blade balance, and just plain personal preference.

Thank you, ~P and Warrior! The education was much appreciated. Now, let me get to work before I lose my job. Haha!
 
Wow S. What an awesome opportunity. It's one thing to read measurements on forums, look at pics and read the opinion of others on knives; but to have so many of them in hand, all at once, is very enlightening. Especially given the plethora of Fiddleback models, plus the other fine makers in the shop doing their own thing. I'm still digesting this thread, but you are the man Jerry. Very generous (and brave) to ship off that many knives at once for a fellow enthusiast to try out.

Absolutely, on every score. The knowledge I gained in this short but intense immersion is still unfolding. I will be thinking about, and applying, what I learned about how to 'reckon' these knives, in so many ways.

As touched on before, I would have had no idea a Bushfinger would sink its hooks deeper than a Gaucho, or how to begin comparing TT vs. SFT in hand, or how subtle changes can make the difference between a pattern's feeling Bloppy vs. streamlined (Jerry's Handyman knives) or that having a few Bushnubs here would lead me directly to a Bear Cub. As just a few examples!

I personally love the Kephart as well. I never tried for any of the smaller varieties but I think you are on to something with the PK. A little more handle on the same blade length could prove enticing over the thinner Esquire handle. I do love the handle combo on that Pocket kephart (natural bolster over navy). Your newly acquired Bear cub is very nice.

Thanks! I'm still pondering proportions, and what works, and what is a good idea not worth pursuing. Fortunately, none of these decisions are up to me, other than the havin' and enjoyin'. :D The Bear Cub is such a hefty handful, presenting as substantially larger than the Patch even though it's only slightly longer. The depth and breadth of the handle really tell. It's a wonder in hand, but a noticeably bulkier carry, taking it to/over the edge of non-home EDC.

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And, in thinking about a possible Every Day Kephart™, I spent a work day with my Stubby Muk (same general length as a PK) tucked inside my waistband, because the knife and I are just that cool, leading me to ponder potential tradeoffs with a longer small Kehpart. [The Stubby Muk works well for this in a way that the slightly-longer, more-squared-off Esquire does not.]

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Stubby Muk, Pocket Kephart

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Stubby Muk, Esquire

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Fleming Osprey, FF Patch, FF BushnubII, FF Old School Karda, FF Esquire, FF Pocket Kephart

Posted again because I just cain't get enough of that blue. :o

You are right, I think the Tangerine burlap is pretty underrated. It is great in person. In photographs, however.... 90% of the time it leaves much to be desired. I like the way it fades and changes in use, then freshens right up with a coat of mineral oil. The ruby burlap is like this as well, or at least for me in taking good photos of it.

Yup! The color has great depth and dimensionality in person, plus just plain being pleasantly darker than the 'highway orange' that jumps out in most images!

-- I've found that either mineral oil or Howard's Feed 'n Wax followed by a light buffing freshens up just about any handle, really, but does especially nice things for Shadetree. :cool:

I'll be coming back to this, I've missed a lot. Thanks Sarah and Jerry!

You're more than welcome. I still return regularly to the wealth of impressions and insights you provided me early on through our PM exchanges. Your words were helpful at the time, and make even more sense now that I've had this opportunity to examine more patterns and features for myself. Thanks!

~P, you did an incredible job throughout this thread, and I can't tell you how much it's made me think about future knife purchases. I don't have a Fiddleback (yet?), but I've admired their beauty. Your photos and descriptions go well beyond just FF, though, when taking into regards p.pinky, handle contours, TT vs SFT, blade balance, and just plain personal preference.

Thanks!

Once again, that last part cannot be overstated. I have no doubt that every very bump, ridge and/or curvature that bothers my p. pinky or doesn't fit well in my hand or brain turns out to be an element that subtly or more notably increases the comfort and utility of given knife handles in others' hands/grips/applications.

Case in point continues to be the Bushboot, of which I have to force myself to speak politely, but which seems to actually make people happy. :confused:

:D

I wish you well on your continuing exploration!

The more knives I handle, the more I realize how fortunate I was to hit upon my Patch knife first. By every possible metric, a Hiking Buddy should suit me, and I'm still baffled that it does not (and at this point, will not) beat out other choices. Pleasing proportions, preferred blade shape, great EDC size, reasonable/comfortable handle.

Yet, instead of going with 'should,' I went with the Patch knife because it continually caught my eye, and ended up with a knife that continues to serve as my standard for 'just right' comfort.

[I fully believe everyone who says that knives within the same pattern, with similar/same specs, can feel very different from one another, which makes me all the happier with my First. :-)]

Be forewarned, however, that research indicates that as soon as you get a First Fiddleback in hand, no matter how well it suits your immediate objectives and preferences, you will find yourself flinging open your laptop (or more mundanely, clicking your mouse to wake up your desktop) with sudden, inexorable passion: THIS IS SO FREAKING COOL WHAT ELSE DO THEY MAKE.

Sorta like that. ;)


Please do try to keep your job in the meantime. :cool:

~ P.
 
Love this thread. I don't know how many times I have returned to this Bounty of Borry and referenced it against a knife that I think may get on my list. And thanks to warrior108 for the provider of so many sharp objects, I would have cut myself my now.
One of the things that pertinux did with this discussion has made me more aware of the crowding that the pinky feels on certain handles. I have called it the PPF, pertinux pinky factor and it does matter...
Thanks ~P.
 
Love this thread. I don't know how many times I have returned to this Bounty of Borry and referenced it against a knife that I think may get on my list. And thanks to warrior108 for the provider of so many sharp objects, I would have cut myself by now.
One of the things that pertinux did with this discussion has made me more aware of the crowding that the pinky feels on certain handles. I have called it the PPF, pertinux pinky factor and it does matter...
Thanks ~P.

Thanks, Steve! :o

I was thinking of this experience, and this thread, myself throughout today as I carried and used my Bear Cub. I am still intrigued (and grateful!) that having Jerry's knives here helped me intuit that a pattern that wasn't here-- the Bear Cub-- would tick boxes that the knives in front of me did not. I sure do love this thing...

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... and I wouldn't have landed on the pattern the way I did, or at least in no way as quickly as I did, were it not for the hands-on comparisons in front of me at the time.

Also? I miss talking to Jerry about his knives, so was thinking of What To Say Next while tromping through the woods. :)


I want to return to your words above regarding the crowding of certain handles, and repeat myself:

I have no doubt that every very bump, ridge and/or curvature that bothers my p. pinky or doesn't fit well in my hand or brain turns out to be an element that subtly or more notably increases the comfort and utility of given knife handles in others' hands/grips/applications.

The point being, I encourage everyone to figure out what makes a given knife/handle work for them, and why some don't as well, to develop general guidelines and understanding about one's own preferences-- while remaining open to surprises!

Thanks again for the kind words, and: hats off to Jerry.

~ P.
 
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