A Chris Reeve-type titanium framelock folder.

It must have clip holes tapped on both sides! I don't care if it is tip up or down, as long as it is allows for ambidextrous clip carry. I am absolutely tired of seeing framelocks for right hand carry only. There is no reason that Spyderco, which is the leader in working folders, cannot implement this small consideration. Please do so!
 
2.9 inches makes it legal to EDC in more places. 3.25", for example, doesn't offer any substantive functional advantage over 2.9" but it would make it illegal to carry in more places.

I don't have anything against a 3.5" or 4" model, like the ATR was, but IMO a 2.9" model should be first.
 
I think an existing liner-lock model should be picked to speed up the process. The Lum chinese looks like a good candidate. Or an old Terzuola model (C19 Bob T Jr?)

Oh, and it really should have a Sebenza style pivot (with the bushing) otherwise it will be 'just another frame-lock'...
 
Ted Voorde said:
I think an existing liner-lock model should be picked to speed up the process. The Lum chinese looks like a good candidate. Or an old Terzuola model (C19 Bob T Jr?)

Oh, and it really should have a Sebenza style pivot (with the bushing) otherwise it will be 'just another frame-lock'...
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I think a lot of people voted to have a Lum chinese folder with ZDP and framelock, but was turned down and settled for just changing the handle on the new Lum zdp.:thumbdn:
 
Jens Anso:thumbup: make a gekko model in a framelock with a hole. That would be a nice candidate !!
 
Caly Jr or Caly III would get my vote. That wilkins looks sweet however or even a Walker (just with a flat grind blade). I would also go for a C19, again with flat grind and thinner blade for better slicing. I love the big hump blade of the C19. In fact the wilkins looks like a cross between the walker and C19 to me. Anyone else see this?
 
alejandrino said:
I think a lot of people voted to have a Lum chinese folder with ZDP and framelock, but was turned down and settled for just changing the handle on the new Lum zdp.:thumbdn:
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Well some things to consider: First, that was almost a year ago, and Sal didn't say anything about doing a framelock until this week. Asking for the original design in Al was our best bet to actually get the knife made since it wouldn't need new tooling or to get into the engineering development and testing cycle, which even if approved would have made it a 2008 model, not a late 2006 model. Also, no ZDP knives had been relased yet and the market demand for ZDP was unknown. A ZDP/Ti framelock would be a very expensive folder.

There is nothing to stop a Lum framelock from being considered now if that is what everyone will support. So to keep this on track, just keep posting what would interest you in this thread. Keep in mind that a S30V/Ti framelock will end up with a list price around $250 and a street price around $150 (from the deep discounters). Exotic steel like S90V or better pushes it up further. Just keep that in mind when envisioning what you'd want, just to keep this realistic.
 
Just a thought what about a copilot. would a smaller package help the overall price. I for one would really enjoy a ti copilot with an exotic steel. With a short stout blade. I would like to keep the street price under $150.

Except case in the lum which I love that I think had issues with its liner lock. I would hope for a heavy use knife. Tim wagner style would actually be my favorite and the type that would probably pony up the most for.
 
I would much prefer seeing a new model designed specifically for the ti-frame lock. I don't think it would improve the para military and I think it would be silly on a small fine slicer. Make something in the 3.5 to 5 inch blade length range that is designed to be used hard. Is this something being considered seperately from the "tuff" concept? that Ed mentioned recently?
 
A druid said:
Just a thought what about a copilot. would a smaller package help the overall price. I for one would really enjoy a ti copilot with an exotic steel. With a short stout blade. I would like to keep the street price under $150.
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Size only has modest influence on price. Most of the cost of Ti lies in the cost of manufacturing with it. Ti itself isn't that expensive. Look at the pricing of the BM (editorial: :barf: ) Skirmish (editorial: :thumbdn: ) as a guideline to how much a Spyderco framelock would cost with S30V. Mini Skirmishes run $130 to $160 street, full sizes from $160 to $200 street; depending on dealer. No matter how you slice it, this is by definition an expensive format. It would be a limited production flagship-type model, not an economy deal.

I'll add the disclaimer that I can't make any firm statements on price, and that Spyderco itself wouldn't know until a knife was designed, engineered, tooled, and beginning production.

It would be wise I think, to treat this as a one shot chance: Ask for what you really want, as this ship might sail only once.
 
Carlos, will Spyderco be able to get a decent supplier of Ti for this to happen? As I uderstand, that's what killed the Titanium ATR.
 
smcfalls13 said:
Carlos, will Spyderco be able to get a decent supplier of Ti for this to happen? As I uderstand, that's what killed the Titanium ATR.
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What killed the ATR (as I was told) was that the Ti compression integral lock was too expensive to manufacture. It is not a complex design, but a difficult one to implement. They would have had to raise the price to Sebenza levels, which priced it out of its market. There were also vendor problems, but I don't know the specifics.
 
I really wanted a framelock chinese, sans coating.

think I'll carry my skirmish when I head out this afternoon :)
 
I actually had a dream about this the other night. It was an endura with a slightly more manix-like, flat-ground blade. It was pretty cool in my dream because the frame-lock made it really thin. I'm not sure how well that would work in reality, though.
But what I think would be pretty cool would be a Bob Terozula or Bob Lum Something with a mostly uniform blade width, that didn't taper gently the way most spyders do, but that had a more stout blade than, say, the Jess Horn or the JD Smith. I guess the starmate or the Peter Herbst would be neat, too.

- Chris
 
The idea of having the front scale be made of g-10 or micarta has been brought up elsewhere my preference would be for a top scale made of micarta white linen or multicolored canvas come to mind or even ti top scale impregnated with steel wire for added grip. And if we are pushing the envelope a little I can see s125v. This is a ship I would really like to see sail. And I think I could scratch up the money, since it is truly a once-in-a-lifetime.:cool:
 
G10 has taken over so much in just about every venue of knife making and production that you don't hear or see as much about Micarta anymore and I really prefer Micarta over G10 for a number of reasons one being that its cheaper to buy and two that its not like cutting a sheet of glass when you want to use some for a handle scale.

I think the ticket is a small blade like 2.5" for a 50 state and every city in the US legal folder. As a second choice, up to 3" blade for legal carry in most states. I love Wharncliff and modified Wharncliff blades so I'd prefer that in my own EDC and would love to see that in a frame lock from Spyderco. Something similar to the C15 or C19 would be great.

The handle should be a large one for this folder, like 4" to 4.5" in a Micarta you don't see as often like the newer Turquoise Micarta sold by Sheffield. This to me is a better more exotic choice than another "standard" folder in G10 would be. I'd do Micarta on one side in a .125 thickness and bead blast it for a nice texture and on the other side .125 titanium for the frame lock.

As for blade steel. I do feel S30V is no longer exotic or even special. I have no problem with any of the steels mentioned so far though, but in a limited run why not BG42? Its one of my favorites.

Finally. I'd do a nice low rider clip positioned so that it doubles as both a pocket clip for convenient carry and acts as a lock stabalizer to keep from over extending it when you close the blade. This is what I'd buy.

STR
 
Carlos said:
What killed the ATR (as I was told) was that the Ti compression integral lock was too expensive to manufacture. It is not a complex design, but a difficult one to implement. They would have had to raise the price to Sebenza levels, which priced it out of its market. There were also vendor problems, but I don't know the specifics.
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Thanks Carlos, I was mistaken. Makes sense though.
 
I think Spyderco needs more high end 3" model. The yet to be released locking UK pen knife should help fill this gap in Spyderco's line and this new knife would be a welcome addition. Spyderco already has many larger folders.

Ideally, I would like to see Sal make a new design for this model. My only preference would be a high grind -- I don't like the Delica much only because of the low grinds. I understand that this is done for strength reasons but the small sebenza is plenty stout and it cuts well. The Caly is an awsome cutter but does feel more delicate. Perhaps a balance?
 
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