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u812 said:
thats the extra thing sal brings into the mix-he can mass a bunch of high quality stuff with the manpower & equipment he has-
besides its time for spyderco to grow into the mass produced for the high end user market-company is too creative to just let a opportunity for a true flagship spyderco die-
as far as a wait -im waiting for another hinderer right now-6-8 weeks i guess-but to me thats no different than sal saying this new one will be done by this date-a wait is a wait
anyone know why spyderco offers so few ball-locks? i just can't imagine why it wouldn't play just as well in a high end offering as much as a frame or liner lock but with the added benefits of strength and being ambidextrous....
anyone care to comment on ball lock strength as compared to other options??
i'd also like to echo the sentiment that frontlocks (assuming this means lockback) are an immediate no go for many potential buyersregardless of strength, as many find them much less convenient to use. this is certainly the reason i don't yet own any spyderco's.
ultimately, i would really love to see spyderco take advantage of the a void in the market benchmade is creating by discontinueing many great user models (afck/ares/920x, lesser extent 770x, 720x), moving away from neat steel's (d/c m2 and now all d2/154cm), putting out a bunch of plain silly looking models with questionable edge utility, and most recently seeming to decide on a business model many take issue with. i think the 100-200 buck knife market might be ripe for the taking if spyderco decides to suck it right up... i know i would be there, and it doesn't mean they can keep the <$100 market either!
ryan
anyone care to comment on ball lock strength as compared to other options??
i'd also like to echo the sentiment that frontlocks (assuming this means lockback) are an immediate no go for many potential buyersregardless of strength, as many find them much less convenient to use. this is certainly the reason i don't yet own any spyderco's.
ultimately, i would really love to see spyderco take advantage of the a void in the market benchmade is creating by discontinueing many great user models (afck/ares/920x, lesser extent 770x, 720x), moving away from neat steel's (d/c m2 and now all d2/154cm), putting out a bunch of plain silly looking models with questionable edge utility, and most recently seeming to decide on a business model many take issue with. i think the 100-200 buck knife market might be ripe for the taking if spyderco decides to suck it right up... i know i would be there, and it doesn't mean they can keep the <$100 market either!
ryan
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05dr said:
The ball lock can attain Spyderco's highest lock strength classification. It hasn't rolled out in wider release because of mixed response to the original design. I expect the new design with a "winged" ball holder will lead to much wider use in future models - it should be much easier for users to operate.
Please feel free to start a support thread for the ball lock. I would like to keep this on on topic regarding a RIL knife.
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A question for Sal or other knowledgeable Spyder folks: the Leafstorm and a bunch of other Wilkins designs use the round hole. Is Mr. Wilkins doing this with Spyderco's permission? The knives are beautiful, but...
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IMHO this needs to be a "new" knife design. at least in terms of Spyderco designs. I don't know if a Kevin Wilkins collaberation would qualify as a new design, but if that could happen it would be awesome. I am sure that no matter the design, or who designs it, as much thought and effort will go into form as into function, so I am sure that whatever results will be aesthetically pleasing - and as Sal would want - when in hand, the knife will demand to be used, and not simply become a collector piece. Well, I might get two...
and guess where the second one would end up
Although several here have expressed a preference for a three inch (or smaller) blade, I would perfer a 3-1/2 inch blade, and no less than three inches.
As market is concerned, I also believe that this will appeal to a different market than the typical Spyderco ELU.
Oh, and in this case at least, consider me to be an atypical ELU. I would love to see this venture succeed and I will certianly put my money where my heart is.
Chuck
and guess where the second one would end up
Although several here have expressed a preference for a three inch (or smaller) blade, I would perfer a 3-1/2 inch blade, and no less than three inches.
As market is concerned, I also believe that this will appeal to a different market than the typical Spyderco ELU.
Oh, and in this case at least, consider me to be an atypical ELU. I would love to see this venture succeed and I will certianly put my money where my heart is.
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spinynorman said:
From Kevin Wilkins' website, under the "Folders" section:
Opening Devices
Most folders feature either the Spyderco round hole (used under license from Spyderco, Inc.) or a turned thumbstud.
That should put your fears to rest
. Besides, you'd think with the large Spyderco fan/customer base Wilkins has, he would know better than to pull a stupid stunt like that.
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DaveH said:Leafstorm is an excellent looking piece, IMO. And what's cooler is it already looks like a spyderco.
what ever it turn out to be I hope it has a new oustanding design and/or execution.
I've always thought that the Leafstorm would be a perfect collaboration for Spyderco. As Dave mentions, it already looks the part!
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The Leafstorm is nice but IMO it is a bit small. Given how much it would cost (not much less than a larger knife), I don't think it would succeed. If a Wilkins collab were in the books, I think something like a Wilkins Ryback EDC would get more ELU in the broader market than the Leafstorm (I'd prefer it myself). A small legal nearly anywhere knife end up being a niche product IMO. 3" is a solid medium size with wide appeal, even where >3" is legal. I'd think that CRK sells more small Sebenzas than larges.
On the whole I would prefer a SAL design to a collab. Heck, the Samaritan would make a great M/A framelock. Looking at it, and the whole continued refinement and evolution of the Military/Para/UKP/Caly philosophy of design, I think he's turning out some masterpieces, and I'd like to see a framelock born of his current thought.
On the whole I would prefer a SAL design to a collab. Heck, the Samaritan would make a great M/A framelock. Looking at it, and the whole continued refinement and evolution of the Military/Para/UKP/Caly philosophy of design, I think he's turning out some masterpieces, and I'd like to see a framelock born of his current thought.
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Carlos said:
Sal, I have no idea what Carlos is saying, but I think he means: "If you build it, they will come". And I think he is spot on. Hell - at least we'll be there
Cheers,
Greg
Oh - and a 3" blade is spot on.
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Thanx for the kind words Carlos.
However, I do have quite a few projects in the works at this time. And I have the "day job" of running a company.
We do have some designs for integrals locks, but they are Compression locks rather than RIL's, mostly becasuse of the increased strength of the Compression lock. (Ed Schempp's "Tuff" and a "Lil' Temp 2" both in Titan).
If I had my "druthers", I'd druther to a Chris Reeve Sebenza collab with Chris, but I guess that's not likely in the near future.
Kevin Does have a 3" version of the "Leafstorm" as well as the smaller version. It is an intersting and attractive design. he also does excellent quality work.
sal
However, I do have quite a few projects in the works at this time. And I have the "day job" of running a company.
We do have some designs for integrals locks, but they are Compression locks rather than RIL's, mostly becasuse of the increased strength of the Compression lock. (Ed Schempp's "Tuff" and a "Lil' Temp 2" both in Titan).
If I had my "druthers", I'd druther to a Chris Reeve Sebenza collab with Chris, but I guess that's not likely in the near future.
Kevin Does have a 3" version of the "Leafstorm" as well as the smaller version. It is an intersting and attractive design. he also does excellent quality work.
sal
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We're working with Kevin. I've been carrying one. It's lookin' pretty good.
It's a beautiful piece and Kevin's skills as a designer and maker are quite evident.
Hey Carlos, it's the smaller version. He doesn't have a 3" version. Sorry. I guess if the smaller one is popular, we can twist Kevin's arm to make a larger one.
sal
It's a beautiful piece and Kevin's skills as a designer and maker are quite evident.
Hey Carlos, it's the smaller version. He doesn't have a 3" version. Sorry. I guess if the smaller one is popular, we can twist Kevin's arm to make a larger one.
sal
Do I understand it right that Spyderco plans to make K. Wilkins' collaboration knife?
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