A Chris Reeve-type titanium framelock folder.

ok so I'll make an assumption, if Byrd is going to make it, it's suppossed to be competitive at certain price point, which happens to be already populated by several makes and models.

IMO it's needs both innovative features and come in well under the $130 price point to beat the class leader Buck Mayo 172.
 
DaveH said:
ok so I'll make an assumption, if Byrd is going to make it, it's suppossed to be competitive at certain price point, which happens to be already populated by several makes and models.

IMO it's needs both innovative features and come in well under the $130 price point to beat the class leader Buck Mayo 172.
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The Byrd is a completely different subject. Were talking about a Spyderco framelock.
 
uh, maybe I'm lost. I thought Sal said they where thinking about Byrd making the RIL knife. The 172 is an Ti frame integral lock.

In either case, Spyderco manufacture or Byrd manufacture, what's going to differentiate this proposed knife from the rest of the market offerings?

My point is IMO Spyderco should not make a "me too market following" kinda knife, many companies do that already. It should be a market leading knife.

If the intent is to compete with existing knives with similar quality and features, then it should at least be the same quality at lower cost then the competition.

Unless of course the point is to just make a BF collectible.

Edit: Getting a consesus on blade size might be easier with a Poll, and the entries being something liek <2, 2- 2.5, 2.5 - 3, >3
 
Sal said Byrd is making a RIL knife.

We're discussing the possibility of a Spyderco branded, USA or EU made RIL knife - in addition.

The problem with polls is that only members of a certain level can participate. We could do a poll on the other forum. On this one just post your blade length preference here. Thanks.
 
I would be very happy with a G10 Native or Military in a Ti framelock with G10 front scale and Sebenza type pivot.If you are talking new model how about scale shape and size of the Ti Lum tanto but with a drop point blade,Sebenza pivot,Ti frame lock,3 screw clip up or down.Just gave myself a happy feeling typeing that.
 
duplicate the bg-42 millie. titanium lock side scale,CF non lock side scale, oversized, adjustable pivot.
 
2.9" would be great. The Wilkins Leafstorm looks like it would also be great, although the placement of the hole makes me worry about the structural integrity of the knife. Still ....
 
i gotta second anejo here. i really wish spyderco would vary the line up a bit regarding blade length. any one know how many states have 3" laws after all?
ryan
 
05dr said:
any one know how many states have 3" laws after all?
ryan
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For what it's worth, I know Washington D.C. does. I'm sure there are other states, cities, counties, etc. that do too. Some areas like Boston & the county that Cleveland, OH is in are even stricter then 3". Lame for sure.

And yes, I know D.C. is not a state. :D

I wish there was a nice publication online that explained each knife law state by state. Something reputable that is current and updated in a timely manner. Maybe it's something AKTI should do. Heck, they might for all I know. Been a while since I've been on their site. It would be quite a project. I've researched a few states statues and they tend to be very vague. The worse is if the law states that it's left up to the "officer's discretion" if it's a concealed weapon or not. Come on state legislations, give me some clear cut laws here please!

Thankfully my home state of PA is pretty much wide open when it comes to folders as long as the blade is manually deployed.

Now back to the topic at hand after my rambling interlude. :D

After receiving my ZDP Jess Horn I think that might make a nice candidate. It'd be very solid, very lightweight and extremely useful for everyday uses. The blade is over 3" though. But is it ever a sweet setup (the ZDP Sprint Run). I'm actually surprised how much I like it and have been using it. GREAT utility knife which would be even better if it was manufactured like a Chris Reeve's Sebenza.
 
Hi Rosconey2.

I'm just takin' it in,

Then I need to see if there is enough concensus to produce a model. It also has to serve a larger market than the forumites or it won't support the run.

Will it be a planned "sprint" run or a regular model?

sal
 
you know you want to add a highline knife to the spyderco family- i dont expect you to be a william henry clone,but one heavyduty use over built framelock would fit right in-

so do a sprint run leafstorm ,and if sales dictate build a limited number each year-your caddy among chebies so to speak-
 
Hi Sal,

I've been watching and thinking about this for awhile, and I have a feeling that a model like this would pull/appeal to a different market than the current Spyderco ELU.

Watching the General and some other fora, there is are lots of users that bypass Spyderco because they don't like frontlocks (Spyderco's primary lock), linerlocks, or the compression lock. Look at everything from the (accursed) BM Skirmish :barf: , to Strider folders, to the Sebenza, and the ongoing popularity of framelocks in customs - whether all Ti, or Ti/G10 framelocks.

The IMO lukewarm response here is akin to the lukewarm response to the idea of a Spyderco butterfly (on this forum) - until the Butterfly market was appraised of the situation. The market that only likes Ti RILs isn't on this forum right now. It is a different buyer for the most part, it seems. The Ti RIL is a kind of cult design. We know objectively that it isn't as strong as say a steel linerlock nested in G10, or even a Ti compression framelock, but it is what that particular segment of the ELU likes.

A properly done Spyderco RIL could bring in new ELU the way the Spyderfly did. The current ELU is here because they like what Spyderco is already doing - if they wanted RILs they'd be elsewhere. It is a gamble of course. There isn't a General RIL forum for us to ask on.

There are two roads here as i see it. To make a RIL framelock sprint of a current model to treat the ELU, though we might have trouble agreeing on a model. You'd probably do better to just pick one that you'd like to do that way, and surprise everyone a month or so before it ships.

The other road is to try to do something that some of the current ELU will like, but is mostly aimed at the RIL ELU that currently doesn't own Spydercos and hasn't considered them in the past. That would probably be a new model, something that could and would compete with the aforementioned models and brands which currently comprise that market. A flagship model.

My 2 Yen.
 
I think you hit the nail on the head Carlos.
I have seen many collectors that have bypassed Spyderco because they did not offer any top end knives.
I myself still buy Spyderco but my tastes have changd to the RIL,my EDC pieces now are either one of my Sebenzas or my Strider SNG.I think I could go back to a linerlock but I don't think I will ever EDC a frontlock again.
I did not much care for Buck until the Buck-Mayo TNT.
The market is out there they are just not on this forum yet.

I would also like to say that it seems most fans of this type knife love simple clean lines in the design.Thats one reason I thought the Lum Tanto scales would be perfect.
 
Have I worn out my welcome yet? I pretty ,uch agree with u812.

Ok, I'm going to put this rather bluntly. Can spyderco make a better quality knife then a sebenza? If not then why bother? Because that's the ELU you're going after.
(IMO obvisouly)
 
the (accursed) BM Skirmish
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BTW I had a mini Skirmish for a while,when I got it the only thing went through my mind was how much better Spyderco could have done.
The hole did not work well and tip down felt completely wrong for it.
 
DaveH said:
Have I worn out my welcome yet? I pretty ,uch agree with u812.

Ok, I'm going to put this rather bluntly. Can spyderco make a better quality knife then a sebenza? If not then why bother? Because that's the ELU you're going after.
(IMO obvisouly)
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I would love to see another production knife made as well as the Sebenza just to give the ELU more choises.As for production knives in a RIL CRK and Strider are about the only ones there in that type quality and they do not offer a ton of differant designs nor should they because of the price of designing and makeing them.By Spyderco offering a new design it will give the ELU another choise.
 
u812 said:
I would love to see another production knife made as well as the Sebenza just to give the ELU more choises.As for production knives in a RIL CRK and Strider are about the only ones there in that type quality and they do not offer a ton of differant designs nor should they because of the price of designing and makeing them.By Spyderco offering a new design it will give the ELU another choise.
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hinderer-tough to beat it at 400 bucks for the 3.5'' and $335 for the 3'' spanto blade of s30v is a hell of a grind,fit and finish to rival crk-
 
Hinderer is a custom isn't it?
I do know there are a lot of customs out there but I am talking about a production knife.
 
price is the only factor imho-

if a one man show can do a over built rock of a knife from kick ass materials for 400 beans-what can sal offer at 300 or so,thats the price everyone expects for a usa made good steal,with pivot pin,ti framelock from spyderco-
 
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