A close encounter in NYC yesterday...

T. Erdelyi said:
I'm not standin' up for the Police State NYC has become but it's not hard to travel in the City and carry a substantial knife, just don't be obvious about it.

Discretion is the word when it comes to concealed carry in NYC and remember CC is just that concealed, even with guns, just 'cause ya have a CCW permit, doesn't mean you're allowed to open carry, that can cause panic in normal citizens, they begin to feel threatened when they see any kind of offensive device displayed in the open.

Like my Old Man used to say, "Ya can't go into a den of bears wearin' a meat suit and expect not to get mauled."...hide that clip, deep carry that folder, snug up your pivot screws and stop lookin' like an obvious target.

I remember goin' to the Statue of Liberty with my wife and daughter pre 9-11 I had, (no s**t) 9 knives on me, most were Tactical Style folders, I had to walk through a metal detector and when it went wild, as they pulled me off to the side, I could hear my wife tellin' our 4 year old daughter, "Let's get a seat, Daddy's gonna be here for a while..."

The Park Rangers were determined to prove at least one of my knives were an auto or gravity knife, they couldn't, so they grudgingly handed back all my knives with the strong recommendation that I curb my arsenal to 1 or 2 knives next time I visit.

So off I went to visit one of our countries greatest symbols of freedom with all my knives in tow, I was right and within the law and there was nuthin' they could do, (I really didn't believe that then or now.), my point was I wasn't bein' a douche and I wasn't bein' blatant.
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I was about to call you a complete idiot until I read the thing below. I must say though, A) you could never ever get away with that now, I've been to the statue (in 2009 i think) and they won't let ANYTHING in. and B) The rangers must have hated you for that, I'd say it makes them nervous whens someone walks in with 9 knives on them and they can't do anything about it.

T. Erdelyi said:
That was back in 95 or so, I'm more discreet now and like I said there are other alternatives for an SD weapon.
The question as I see it is do you avoid NYC and try to change the laws from the outside or do ya risk it all to stick to your opinions and blatantly carry in an obvious way that'll insure you're a target for the NYPD?
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I know what you mean on the SD alternatives as well. After reading through this thread, I am wondering if they would take a Fred Perrin Bracelet or something like it if it was used for self defense

if you don't know what it is, it is basically a heavy stainless steel bracelet that (from what I have gathered watching videos) is used for striking with the wrist and hurt more than a fist. They can be taken off and used like brass knucks too, but you have to take it off your wrist, which if you did that I know they would bust you ever time.

Another thing that bothers me, is that they arrest you for having a "weapon", basically anything can be a weapon. the plate your lunch is on, a water bottle (I cary a nalgene), a pen, books, your belt and belt buckle....basically anything that can be picked up.
 
crazyengineer, the Kershaw AOs have been deemed to be switchblades by the NYPD legal division ( I guess they can't read the law they are so well paid to enforce). Any knife that can be flicked and locks open is considered a gravity knife ( you would be surprised how many states have the same wording). Anything when used as a weapon or designed for use as a weapon is illegal in NY. These laws have been on the books for years, but enfocement has become the issue lately. Finally, the NYPD has bascially decided the parts of the Bill of Rights they don't like, they will ignore. I am amazed this is still going on with the clear violation of the Fourth Amenedment on a daily basis. They have lost sight of their sworn commitment to uphold the Consititution, and have socum to doing anything to make arrests. An officer making a false statement about having proable cause for a search is commiting a felony most often for a low level arrests he made, so who is the bigger criminal?
 
I realize that this is supposed to be a knife law thread, not a for / against Law Enforcement (or specifically NYPD) thread, but it seems that there’s a lot of anti-police sentiment going on so here’s my 2 cents.

What happened to the OP is regrettable. For me to say that the officers involved, IF they were simply being power hungry jerks, were out of line would be an understatement. Good officers would never support, or be happy to hear about, a story like this (and I know there are more than a few of us on this forum). At the agency with which I’m affiliated most of us take great pains to insure that something like this doesn’t happen. The unfortunate truth however is that it sometimes does.

There are around 800,000 sworn Law Enforcement officers in the U.S.A.(34,500 in the NYPD alone). With that many souls it would be nearly impossible to weed out all the bad apples. As with any profession (Military, Medical, Government, Construction, Furniture, Ect…) there will always be a significant number of people who simply don’t know how to act. The thing with Law Enforcement is that we are in the public eye more than most and the bad things that some cops do is much more newsworthy than the good things, of which there are many more. It really sucks that the bad cops make us all look bad but there’s not a lot we can do about it. Please try to cut officers some slack and give them a chance before you clump them in with the worthless ones.

I’ll climb down off of the soap box now. Thanks for reading and thanks for a great forum.
 
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To respond to you Trey : The NYPD is a force to be feared. The OP is lucky it wasn't worse. The police officers who have showed in this thread who are surprised are obviously not familiar with the NYPD. Respect? No. It isn't that all police officers or all departments are bad. This is true even in NYC. Even so I'd rather have a criminal than an NYPD officer at my door any day of the week.

If he's having a bad day, he isn't going to "legally" beat me half to death and then charge me with felonious assault of an officer and attempt to disarm. Then I'll go to prison with a beating and injuries and a few felonies to permanently mess up my life. I'm generally a pretty big supporter of police. And out in the suburbs, I get to enjoy the fact that the police are trying to do a good job. In NYC let us just say that I don't cry much when I hear of bad times for the police.
 
Szilard said:
If he's having a bad day, he isn't going to "legally" beat me half to death and then charge me with felonious assault of an officer and attempt to disarm. Then I'll go to prison with a beating and injuries and a few felonies to permanently mess up my life. I'm generally a pretty big supporter of police. And out in the suburbs, I get to enjoy the fact that the police are trying to do a good job. In NYC let us just say that I don't cry much when I hear of bad times for the police.
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As long as you agree to drop the brutality and wrongful arrest complaints, they might be persuaded to dismiss the assault, resisting arrest, disorderly conduct etc etc charges.:)
 
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