A couple of mid-techs - looking for user feedback

(...)Matt Diskin Vulcan flipper - I still hope to hear some first-hand experience :)
EDIT: I have just checked out the Rockstead webpage - they have 3 new models coming out - the SHUN looks incredible. I do not even want to know the price ...

You're looking at a lot of the knives that make me love blades... but there's quite a few. Excellent taste, though, IMO anyway ;) .

'austonh', aka 'EpicSnuggleBunny' on YT, just released a pretty good overview of the Vulcan, though he hadn't put it through hell or anything. If you have questions, he usually answers in the comments section, he's a good guy. He's also on here a lot, too>>>http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php/320915-austonh

[video]https://youtu.be/q5vKYYbMR0Y[/video]

He's the only person I recall discussing the knife...
 
:thumbup::thumbup:Very nice assortment. I'd still like to get a Grimsmo Norseman, I like that eccentric, modified tanto profile. I'm interested in seeing how the Rask turns out, too, but the prototype had a couple features I wasn't sure about... features I can't recall right now:).

How does the Norseman compare with the 95T?

They are both fantastic flippers. I prefer the 95T though as it appeals more to me than the Norseman. IMO the Rask is Grimsmo's answer to an affordable Shiro. I recently traded a Damasteel Norseman to get the Shiro. That was a great knife, but it didn't see as much use as it needed to remain in my collection. Honestly I love the Spyderco Military and have always wanted one as a flipper, with a slightly shorter handle. For me the 95T answers that call in spades. I hope to trade or sell some of my knives to purchase another 95 or possibly a Hati.
 
They are both fantastic flippers. I prefer the 95T though as it appeals more to me than the Norseman. IMO the Rask is Grimsmo's answer to an affordable Shiro. I recently traded a Damasteel Norseman to get the Shiro. That was a great knife, but it didn't see as much use as it needed to remain in my collection. Honestly I love the Spyderco Military and have always wanted one as a flipper, with a slightly shorter handle. For me the 95T answers that call in spades. I hope to trade or sell some of my knives to purchase another 95 or possibly a Hati.

I thought something very similar about the Rask -- it reminded me of a slightly smaller Shirogorov Neon, but not as nice. I agree completely about the Mod 95... started with a 95 'Nudist' with the SRBS/Elmax blade, was blown away by it, and immediately sold off a couple folders to buy a 95T with SRBS/S30V a week later. BT Blades did the exact same thing at the same time, but with the very nice 95CF and a 95T with M390. They're just incredible knives. Now I'd like to get one of the 111's, with the MRBS, CF and M390. They're pretty big, and I like the aggressive profile. The Custom Division Seashell Hati is beautiful, but still very expensive. The 111 with CF, M390 and MRBS can be had for 1000-1100 at Recon 1 (or they could recently), a very good deal, IMO.

That Damasteel Norseman would have been a tough one to give up, but you've still got a very nice model. :)
 
Well, I have browsed high and low to find the Carson Tech Lab (or Real Steel as it seem to have been sold under that company too) Griffin - but no luck. The online shops that answered me mentioned that the knife is not in production. So I will either try to find a second hand one, or will have to move on. I know - I am looking at quite a few great knives, but I somehow liked the Griffin.

Since so much is being discussed about the Shirogorov knives (you guys really make me want one) - I would have a few quick questions:
- There are quite a few steel options (S35VN, M390, Elmax, S90V and some more) - what are the differences among them?
- What is the deal with the "custom division" ones - these cost $2k+, but look like production models with a little more fancy handles or anodising (this one looks awesome). They can look cool, but do not really make custom impression. These are definitely out of my price range, but I am just curios.

I am in the process of collecting more information about the Diskin Volcan flipper :)
 
Well, I have browsed high and low to find the Carson Tech Lab (or Real Steel as it seem to have been sold under that company too) Griffin - but no luck. The online shops that answered me mentioned that the knife is not in production. So I will either try to find a second hand one, or will have to move on. I know - I am looking at quite a few great knives, but I somehow liked the Griffin.

Since so much is being discussed about the Shirogorov knives (you guys really make me want one) - I would have a few quick questions:
- There are quite a few steel options (S35VN, M390, Elmax, S90V and some more) - what are the differences among them?
- What is the deal with the "custom division" ones - these cost $2k+, but look like production models with a little more fancy handles or anodising (this one looks awesome). They can look cool, but do not really make custom impression. These are definitely out of my price range, but I am just curios.

I am in the process of collecting more information about the Diskin Volcan flipper :)

I can say that the edge retention on the 95 Elmax is holding up good to medium cutting tasks... it came sharp, and edge retention seems consistent with a 61-62 Rhc... but that's just a guess. The S30V came super-sharp as well, but I haven't done enough cutting to say if the ER is good or bad. I'm not worried.

The custom division are limited edition or midtech-type models, with VERY nice upgrades and personal attention by Sergey or Dmitry Sinkevich (Poluchotkiy, CannabisReal). If you furrow your brow when you think about the difference between spending 800 and 1700$ -- unless your very well off, basically -- I'd say don't worry about the Custom Division right now. The real masterworks are the full customs by Sergey Shirogorov himself -- the Icebreaker, Baikal, Neon... wow. They use the DRRBS and SRRBS proprietary cylindrical 'roller bearing' systems, which come in single row and double row configurations. SRBS and MRBS are single and multi row bearing systems, using spherical bearings. The full-customs are recognizable by their awesomeness and 'duck-foot' style hardware, instead of the usual 'pac-man' hardware. But the regular 'production' model Shiros are the equivalent of many customs... and the basic SRBS is crazy-smooth. Sinkevich's MRBS is available in some regular Shirogorov's like the 111.
 
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Just handled a couple Spartan akribis at the Spartan showroom in North Carolina while visiting my In-Laws. One thing I noticed is a very tight pivot--no chance of flipping this knife open. But also no blade play, nice balanced detent, perfectly centered blade and solid liner lock at 50% lockup. Very light weight knife overall, and good feel in the hand. Noticed one of the carbon fiber scales on the non locking side had a bit of a gap between it and the aluminum or titanium handle scale...definitely would need to send it back if I received that exact knife. Overall really nice blades and a cool little showroom in Pinehurst NC. Their fixed blades are heavy duty and have a great shape and balance. Pricy at around $500, but also made right their by hand in the small shop by a few really accomplished military guys. My .02!

Edit: ALL their knives use S35VN, same as CRK, with very nice grind and slightly rounded spine, also great grind plunge for sharpening.
 
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Thanks for the feedback on the Akribis - I am actually considering to order it together with the Freeman 451 Flipper to try them out.

I have to admit that I would love to get the Diskin flipper (I have just learned that the name 'volcal' was only used for pre-production pieces) - as the more I learn about it the more I like it and at least two large US shops have it with blue anodised 3D milled handles. I am just not quite ready yet to go that high with the price (it will come with 26% taxes on top). Also it is relatively heavy knife - about 1oz more than large Sebenza (which felt just fine weight-wise).
 
Thanks for the feedback on the Akribis - I am actually considering to order it together with the Freeman 451 Flipper to try them out.

I have to admit that I would love to get the Diskin flipper (I have just learned that the name 'volcal' was only used for pre-production pieces) - as the more I learn about it the more I like it and at least two large US shops have it with blue anodised 3D milled handles. I am just not quite ready yet to go that high with the price (it will come with 26% taxes on top). Also it is relatively heavy knife - about 1oz more than large Sebenza (which felt just fine weight-wise).

26% TAXES!?! Good goblin, man! Wherever you live, no matter how much everyone in your country loves life and is perfectly happy, I suggest you begin fomenting dissent and making up lies and organizing a revolution! Immediately! Or, you know, buy a cheaper knife, I guess. :D
 
Well, here in Germany the tax is 19% and for value above 150€ there is another 7 or 8% duty fee. The total value also includes shipping, of course. The worse is, that the € to $ excabge rate went down from some 1.3 to 1.05. I used to take 1$ for 1€ and ignore the taxes, but that is long gone.

But I am not going to exchange 19% tax for 20 days of payed vacation (I have 30 per year, pretty much standard here) - we actually get the time to spend our damn money :D
 
Well, here in Germany the tax is 19% and for value above 150€ there is another 7 or 8% duty fee. The total value also includes shipping, of course. The worse is, that the € to $ excabge rate went down from some 1.3 to 1.05. I used to take 1$ for 1€ and ignore the taxes, but that is long gone.

But I am not going to exchange 19% tax for 20 days of payed vacation (I have 30 per year, pretty much standard here) - we actually get the time to spend our damn money :D

There you go!... At least all those taxes are going somewhere. In Canada our taxes are almost as high, I was just kidding. 15% taxes. But if it's from the US, it's the same, or the seller can list it as a gift, and it's 0% taxes. Our dollar has dropped too, relative to the US. For a couple years, our dollar was trading higher. Ah well...
 
Declaring the item as a gift is no help, unfortunately. I have to bring proof of payment when picking up the item. German customs are very thorough. To be honest, just for the taxes I payed on knives until today, I could have a very nice Shiro ...

But sometimes humanity gets through - I have been recently evolved in a knife pass-around. The knife had value of $350 and apparently there was no way to import it even I was going to send it to the next guy in a week. I am however very thankful to the guys there. They knew me well (many knives passed that local office - when I come in there they just ask - "another knife ?" :) Anyway, they just, in figurative speech, suggested that if I were to have, say a bill, for less than 25€, than I would not have to pay any tax (that is the upper limit). So next day I came with a bill just like that (the knife owner/maker was very helpful there), they booked it and I was on my merry way. I really appreciated they took my word for it :)
 
I have been recently evolved in a knife pass-around. The knife had value of $350 and apparently there was no way to import it even I was going to send it to the next guy in a week.

How does this work? Who keeps the piece when all is said and done?
 
I have owned almost all of the knives you have listed here, and have handeled pretty much all of the rest, and honestly there are very few of them I WOULDN'T recommend. They are almost all GREAT knives, with only one or two exceptions/bad eggs.
But I'll go over that in detail here:

Shirogorov: I have owned...well, honestly too many of these, and I have loved every single one that has come into my hands. That being said, the ones I still have are my 95T M390 and my 95CF S90V (and honestly I might be selling the 95CF because of some complications at home), and they are both insanely good knives.

Worth noting is the fact that the 95T and 95CF are both very, very strong for framelocks, and while some people might be a little worried about their tips, that can easily be solved as easily as buying an inexpensive pry-bar, or a Victorinox Pioneer or something similar with an awl and bottle opener/pry-bar accessory on it. I carry one alongside every other knife I carry regularly because it is just a great secondary knife.

And my Shirogorov 95T M390 has gotten more use out of it than pretty much every other knife that I have in my collection, besides a few rather old ones I had before I started collecting, and it is still one of my favorite knives of all time. In fact, I have it on me today ;)



If you want a Shirogorov that will hold an edge extremely well, then get either the M390 or the S90V versions, though they will be more expensive than most other models.
In particular, then S90V versions of most models will demand a rather high premium, but if you want a truly tough knife that will hold an edge through whatever you cut, then that's the way to go.

My 95T has gone through a lot of use, and after having the edge thinned down just a little and taken to a full polish, it is the single shaprest knife I have ever owned, and easily the best slicer. Holds an edge like you woudln't believe without being impossible to touch up too ;)

Rockstead: I cannot say enough about how amazing these knives are honestly. They are not for someone who is not versed in sharpening or afraid to really use an expensive knife though. If you manage to dull the edge on their knives (which is a very difficutl task frankly), then you will need to know what you are doing if you want to touch it up, or else send it to Japan to be resharpened by Rockstead themselves.

They are exceptionally well-made knives that will put almost any other maufacturer to shame though, and they are some of the best cutters out there, though not really ideal slicers. If you are going to be cutting something that is particularly hard or something abressive like sandpaper, then find another knive with a cheaper blade that is easier to sharpen, but if you want a knife that will hold an edge for unebelievably long while doing normal daily cutting tasks, then Rockstead is the way to go.

I have regretted selling my Rockstead Higo since the day it went out in the mail, and I definitely will have to get another in the future.

Spartan Blades: Honestly have not had a good experience with them, and wouldn't recommend them because of it. Design wise, they seem like they are trying to be a "tactically-minded" competitor to CRK, but they really fall short in the quality and the fit and finish on their products when compared to other companies in the same price category. Not only that, but the design of the Akribis is a little obtuse, and is not very comfortable in my hands with the exposed ti on the bottom of the handle. Of note, I have Large sized hands, and of course that will mean that other people might have a different experience than me on ergonomics on the Akribis.

Also, they take the same idea from CRK in keeping their S35VN qite soft, and while that makes it very easy to sharpen, I have seen it dull much faster than CRK's steel, so they likely run it even softer, or the particular one I was using and experimenting with was a bit softer than their norm.
And another thing I noticed was that I had to play with the pivot to get the knife to flick open at all, though they obviously intend for you to be able to do that. The blade was off-center when I was able to flick it open, but there was no play in it that I could feel.

Definitely wouldn't buy one myself (was testing a friend's), but I will say that if the company improves over time, it could become a very good knife company in the future. I think they still need time though.

Carson tech Labs: Honestly, you should give up on finding one, because they are too far and few between to be reasonable to purchase right now. If you are really interested in something like this, then Reate is a better option for you, especially their more recent runs of the Horizon D with M390 steel.

Handled one at a meet-up with some friends, and didn't really have a complaint about it, but it wasn't all that impressive either, and there were several other knives there at the moment that were much more interesting, especially for the price. My friend also sold it for sort of the same reasons not that long after getting it. I think it was the Griffin I handled, but I am not entirely sure.

Grimsmo Noresman/Rask: I have owned the Norseman and would not have sold it if not for the opportunity to buy my Bodega, which is one of my all-time grails. It is a fantastic knife, though a little weird to sharpen at first because of the blade shape.

It does however have an extremely utilitarian blade shape, which can get almost any cutting task done once you get used to working with it.
The Noresman is also very lightweigth, and a great little flipper, though I like the more possitive response of many of my other flippers a little more. The Noresman tends to feel a little too light and almost wiry when you flip it, though the action itself it perfect.
The blades on the Noresman are famous for literally falling closed under their own weight, and while I liked the idea of that, actually owning a knife that did it was a little different. It was a little dangerous if your were cutting something and you put your knife away withouut paying attention because the blade could just fall on your fingers. Not something most will worry about, but worth mentioning.

Also, the Rask looks like a great knife, though it IS going to be smaller than the Noresman was (about 3.5"), and while it is extremely light from what I have seen, it really isn't really a knife I would ever want to put through even moderately heavy use. It just doesn't give you the feel of a strong knife, whether or not it actually is one.
I never got the feeling that my Shirogorovs, Sebenza, Higo, Bodega, or pretty much any other knives I owned, needed to be lightly used, but the Noresman just kind of made you feel like you couldn't beat on it without hurting it, regardless of how true or not that was.

Matt Diskin Vulcan: Excellent knife! Loved mine a great deal, and if I hadn't owned my 95T M390 already, I never would have parted with my Vulcan at all!

This is a knife that makes you feel like you can really use it without ever having to worry about it at all, and still looks amazing at the same time.
Very light for the massive and broad blade you get, and the handle is able to contain that blade very nicely without being overly obtrusive in the pocket at all, and still being extremely comfortable in the hand!
Flipping action on mine was okay, but the more recent generation Matt released not that long ago has a double-detent system where the detent to hold the blade in the handle is no longer in the lockbar, but on the non-locking side of the blade, which is much more consistent. There is still a detent ball in the lockbar, but it is simply there to make the blade glide out without experiencing too much friction against the lockbar.

The blade on this one is also M390, and is taken from a thicker blade down to a very nice and lean cutting edge that is an excellent slicer because of the tall blade. Also has probably my favorite stonewash finished ever on the blades. Just love the lightly polished blade witht the heavy stonewash over it :D

Overall, very refined style and design that still comes across as a truly useable and tough knife that you don't really have to be careful with or worry about.

Freeman 451: Have not owned or handled one of these yet, but this will probably be the next knife that I buy, once I smooth over the issues I am having at home and get everything settled again.

Looks like a great knife, and in my experience fluted blades cut very well without having any issues as long as the fluting is done right, which I have faith it is on the 451.
 
Charr, my jaw literaly dropped when I saw your reply this morning. Thank you very much for taking the time and writing down all that experiernce of yours. :thumbup:

I am actually one of the few that are not worried about the thin tip of the Shirogorovs. The more user experience I read about the Shirogorovs the more I realise that I should have get one when Vladimir had these recently for very good price.

The Disking flipper is remaining up there as a candidate. There is not that much user experience available, but everything I saw was very positive. Browsing the history here on BF it seems that these do show here and then, so that way I could get the price to little more acceptable range.

The Akribis folder - you are not the first one to mention small imperfections and I will probably stay away from them.

Rockstead - cool and aparently very well made, but I would rather get one smaller for daily EDC than a large blade for outdoor stuff. That is simply the impression I get from them. On top of that those little more fancy ones are well above 1000€ and that is just too much for me. But it would be great to have the chance to see one in person.

Griffin from Carson Tech Lab - I will keep that WTB thread up and maybe something will show. If not, than I have alternatives, so it is not a tragedy. What attracts me to them is the design and clever lock and still reasonable price.


Bodega ... hmmm ... I have ignored it so far and now went to have a look. The maker's homepage barely shows (must be something wrong with the way it is represented by the browser) and there are aparently many different versions that also differ in price considerably. I guess I need to give them a closer look. In general, it seems that Todd Begg makes some interesting knives. Yes - I will check them out :)

Freeman 451 flipper. OK, I got to the point of oredering one. It has interesting design, reasonable price and can be bought it DE. So let's try this one out and see what it is about :)
 
I have owned almost all of the knives you have listed here, and have handeled pretty much all of the rest, and honestly there are very few of them I WOULDN'T recommend. They are almost all GREAT knives, with only one or two exceptions/bad eggs.
But I'll go over that in detail here:

Shirogorov: I have owned...well, honestly too many of these, and I have loved every single one that has come into my hands. That being said, the ones I still have are my 95T M390 and my 95CF S90V (and honestly I might be selling the 95CF because of some complications at home), and they are both insanely good knives.

Worth noting is the fact that the 95T and 95CF are both very, very strong for framelocks, and while some people might be a little worried about their tips, that can easily be solved as easily as buying an inexpensive pry-bar, or a Victorinox Pioneer or something similar with an awl and bottle opener/pry-bar accessory on it. I carry one alongside every other knife I carry regularly because it is just a great secondary knife.

And my Shirogorov 95T M390 has gotten more use out of it than pretty much every other knife that I have in my collection, besides a few rather old ones I had before I started collecting, and it is still one of my favorite knives of all time. In fact, I have it on me today ;)



If you want a Shirogorov that will hold an edge extremely well, then get either the M390 or the S90V versions, though they will be more expensive than most other models.
In particular, then S90V versions of most models will demand a rather high premium, but if you want a truly tough knife that will hold an edge through whatever you cut, then that's the way to go.

My 95T has gone through a lot of use, and after having the edge thinned down just a little and taken to a full polish, it is the single shaprest knife I have ever owned, and easily the best slicer. Holds an edge like you woudln't believe without being impossible to touch up too ;)

Rockstead: I cannot say enough about how amazing these knives are honestly. They are not for someone who is not versed in sharpening or afraid to really use an expensive knife though. If you manage to dull the edge on their knives (which is a very difficutl task frankly), then you will need to know what you are doing if you want to touch it up, or else send it to Japan to be resharpened by Rockstead themselves.

They are exceptionally well-made knives that will put almost any other maufacturer to shame though, and they are some of the best cutters out there, though not really ideal slicers. If you are going to be cutting something that is particularly hard or something abressive like sandpaper, then find another knive with a cheaper blade that is easier to sharpen, but if you want a knife that will hold an edge for unebelievably long while doing normal daily cutting tasks, then Rockstead is the way to go.

I have regretted selling my Rockstead Higo since the day it went out in the mail, and I definitely will have to get another in the future.

Spartan Blades: Honestly have not had a good experience with them, and wouldn't recommend them because of it. Design wise, they seem like they are trying to be a "tactically-minded" competitor to CRK, but they really fall short in the quality and the fit and finish on their products when compared to other companies in the same price category. Not only that, but the design of the Akribis is a little obtuse, and is not very comfortable in my hands with the exposed ti on the bottom of the handle. Of note, I have Large sized hands, and of course that will mean that other people might have a different experience than me on ergonomics on the Akribis.

Also, they take the same idea from CRK in keeping their S35VN qite soft, and while that makes it very easy to sharpen, I have seen it dull much faster than CRK's steel, so they likely run it even softer, or the particular one I was using and experimenting with was a bit softer than their norm.
And another thing I noticed was that I had to play with the pivot to get the knife to flick open at all, though they obviously intend for you to be able to do that. The blade was off-center when I was able to flick it open, but there was no play in it that I could feel.

Definitely wouldn't buy one myself (was testing a friend's), but I will say that if the company improves over time, it could become a very good knife company in the future. I think they still need time though.

Carson tech Labs: Honestly, you should give up on finding one, because they are too far and few between to be reasonable to purchase right now. If you are really interested in something like this, then Reate is a better option for you, especially their more recent runs of the Horizon D with M390 steel.

Handled one at a meet-up with some friends, and didn't really have a complaint about it, but it wasn't all that impressive either, and there were several other knives there at the moment that were much more interesting, especially for the price. My friend also sold it for sort of the same reasons not that long after getting it. I think it was the Griffin I handled, but I am not entirely sure.

Grimsmo Noresman/Rask: I have owned the Norseman and would not have sold it if not for the opportunity to buy my Bodega, which is one of my all-time grails. It is a fantastic knife, though a little weird to sharpen at first because of the blade shape.

It does however have an extremely utilitarian blade shape, which can get almost any cutting task done once you get used to working with it.
The Noresman is also very lightweigth, and a great little flipper, though I like the more possitive response of many of my other flippers a little more. The Noresman tends to feel a little too light and almost wiry when you flip it, though the action itself it perfect.
The blades on the Noresman are famous for literally falling closed under their own weight, and while I liked the idea of that, actually owning a knife that did it was a little different. It was a little dangerous if your were cutting something and you put your knife away withouut paying attention because the blade could just fall on your fingers. Not something most will worry about, but worth mentioning.

Also, the Rask looks like a great knife, though it IS going to be smaller than the Noresman was (about 3.5"), and while it is extremely light from what I have seen, it really isn't really a knife I would ever want to put through even moderately heavy use. It just doesn't give you the feel of a strong knife, whether or not it actually is one.
I never got the feeling that my Shirogorovs, Sebenza, Higo, Bodega, or pretty much any other knives I owned, needed to be lightly used, but the Noresman just kind of made you feel like you couldn't beat on it without hurting it, regardless of how true or not that was.

Matt Diskin Vulcan: Excellent knife! Loved mine a great deal, and if I hadn't owned my 95T M390 already, I never would have parted with my Vulcan at all!

This is a knife that makes you feel like you can really use it without ever having to worry about it at all, and still looks amazing at the same time.
Very light for the massive and broad blade you get, and the handle is able to contain that blade very nicely without being overly obtrusive in the pocket at all, and still being extremely comfortable in the hand!
Flipping action on mine was okay, but the more recent generation Matt released not that long ago has a double-detent system where the detent to hold the blade in the handle is no longer in the lockbar, but on the non-locking side of the blade, which is much more consistent. There is still a detent ball in the lockbar, but it is simply there to make the blade glide out without experiencing too much friction against the lockbar.

The blade on this one is also M390, and is taken from a thicker blade down to a very nice and lean cutting edge that is an excellent slicer because of the tall blade. Also has probably my favorite stonewash finished ever on the blades. Just love the lightly polished blade witht the heavy stonewash over it :D

Overall, very refined style and design that still comes across as a truly useable and tough knife that you don't really have to be careful with or worry about.

Freeman 451: Have not owned or handled one of these yet, but this will probably be the next knife that I buy, once I smooth over the issues I am having at home and get everything settled again.

Looks like a great knife, and in my experience fluted blades cut very well without having any issues as long as the fluting is done right, which I have faith it is on the 451.

Great info, man. I've never found a knife that comes close to Shirogorov -- but I haven't tried a Rockstead, or a Begg.
 
Matus, check your email. I sent you a link on a place to buy the Carson Griffin...

Edit: oops, I just saw that you replied:)
 
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Charr, my jaw literaly dropped when I saw your reply this morning. Thank you very much for taking the time and writing down all that experiernce of yours. :thumbup:

I am actually one of the few that are not worried about the thin tip of the Shirogorovs. The more user experience I read about the Shirogorovs the more I realise that I should have get one when Vladimir had these recently for very good price.

The Disking flipper is remaining up there as a candidate. There is not that much user experience available, but everything I saw was very positive. Browsing the history here on BF it seems that these do show here and then, so that way I could get the price to little more acceptable range.

The Akribis folder - you are not the first one to mention small imperfections and I will probably stay away from them.

Rockstead - cool and aparently very well made, but I would rather get one smaller for daily EDC than a large blade for outdoor stuff. That is simply the impression I get from them. On top of that those little more fancy ones are well above 1000€ and that is just too much for me. But it would be great to have the chance to see one in person.

Griffin from Carson Tech Lab - I will keep that WTB thread up and maybe something will show. If not, than I have alternatives, so it is not a tragedy. What attracts me to them is the design and clever lock and still reasonable price.


Bodega ... hmmm ... I have ignored it so far and now went to have a look. The maker's homepage barely shows (must be something wrong with the way it is represented by the browser) and there are aparently many different versions that also differ in price considerably. I guess I need to give them a closer look. In general, it seems that Todd Begg makes some interesting knives. Yes - I will check them out :)

Freeman 451 flipper. OK, I got to the point of oredering one. It has interesting design, reasonable price and can be bought it DE. So let's try this one out and see what it is about :)

Haha :D I have made a few jaws drop here on the forums when I decide to get to typing ;)
But hey, better to be thorough than to let something slip by :D

Anyway, if you are really interested in a Shirogorov, and possibly one of the more rare models, then send me a PM and I can at least see what I can do.

Rockstead: trust me, you will be more than able to use it for whatever you will ever need to cut, even though they don't initially look like it. I would personally recommend the Higo in DLC YXR-7, which is pretty affordable as far as Rocksteads go, and is a very easy one to take care of if you have a basic set of strops and some nice super-fine compound.
Just ask Blues Bender down there, he has one of the Higos, and I know he uses his ;)

Bodega: Seriously, they are not cheap, but they are certainly worth it. I managed to find mine after 3 years of looking and building up my collection until it became a possibility. I managed to find one used on IG for a good price, and I have never really thought it wasn't worth it since then ;) I woudl recommend the Bodega 2.0 if you want something out of solid Ti, but the Field Grade Bodegas done in carbon fiber are supposed to be very good knives as well, and a little more affordable (emphasis on a little), while still giving you a very good knife.
And if you really want to find a more affordable Begg, they have done a model that is being produced by Reate that is only around $450 to start, which is going to be the first of their "Steel Craft" series of Begg designed production knives. They might also be introducing a Small Bodega into that series in the future as well ;)

They are made for people who use their knives, and they are exceptional works of art at the same time, but they are not going to hold an edge forever, much like a Sebenza. They do have better edge retention on the N690 than CRK's S35VN, but still not anything paryicularly amazing. Very easy to sharpen to a screeming sharp edge though, and it is very tough and resiliant.

And they're very photogenic ;)

Freeman: You HAVE to tell me what you think of it once you get it man! I have been really mulling that one over ever since they released it a little while ago, but never got the chance to pull the trigger. Once word of advice though, they say that the button-lock does take a little bit of breaking in before it is entirely smooth in operation. It starts out a little sticky, and you might have to play with it by opening and closing it repeatedly to fully break it in and smooth that lock engagement out.
Once you have done that, I have heard that they are truly exceptional knives for the price.



Great info, man. I've never found a knife that comes close to Shirogorov -- but I haven't tried a Rockstead, or a Begg.

You definitely should, my friend ;)

I couldn't find anything that compared to my Shirogorovs either until I got my Higo, but it is also a very different knife in nature to the Shiros, which is largely why I made the mistake of selling mine. Their machining tolerances are second to none though, and the overall quality that goes into each Rockstead is absolutely dumbfounding.
Not to mention, Rockstead has a collaboration coming out sometime next month with Sinkevich, which is insanely gorgeous looking, all-be-it insanely expensive as well :eek:

Check it out herehttp://www.bladehq.com/item--Rockstead-SHUN-ZDP-Frame-Lock-Knife--28852
They also have a smaller one that's a little less expensive with Sinkevich, but hey, if you're going to buy a Rockstead/Sinkevich, you might as well go for the 4"+ model that costs you $2000 ;) :D

Begg knives are a little different, as they are not emphasizing edge retention and the blade as much as Rockstead, but have more focus on the overall knife as a single piece, as well as the artistic look of it.
I love my Bodega, and the insane amount of work that goes into the build of each knife will really come through for you when you hold one and experience it.
When they fit each knife, they make the parts a very minor amount too large and then resize then gradually to make the fit and fitment as tight as physically possible on the parts. The knife is made up of a large number of parts, but man you wouldn't know it holding one. They really feel like a monolythic construction like an integral somehow, and give you no worries at all in the hand.
Mine also has the ceramic IKBS, which you do have to break in a little bit and get smoothed out all the way once the knife is new, but man once it does it's perfect! It will not fall closed under it's own weight, but I don't want it to do that frankly. I like a blade to stay where I put it until I want the knife to close, and it will do exactly that. The difference is that it is very hard to give a truly smooth action where you can't feel the bearings rolling or any snags when closing while still keeping the blade from falling closed too fast and too easy (to me at least), and this has it done perfectly.

And like I mentioned above to Matus, they are also making some models with Reate that are going to be more affordable, which is of note for those interested in Begg knives for sure. You probably won't get the same insane level of production though ;)
 
Haha :D I have made a few jaws drop here on the forums when I decide to get to typing ;)
But hey, better to be thorough than to let something slip by :D

Anyway, if you are really interested in a Shirogorov, and possibly one of the more rare models, then send me a PM and I can at least see what I can do.

Rockstead: trust me, you will be more than able to use it for whatever you will ever need to cut, even though they don't initially look like it. I would personally recommend the Higo in DLC YXR-7, which is pretty affordable as far as Rocksteads go, and is a very easy one to take care of if you have a basic set of strops and some nice super-fine compound.
Just ask Blues Bender down there, he has one of the Higos, and I know he uses his ;)

Bodega: Seriously, they are not cheap, but they are certainly worth it. I managed to find mine after 3 years of looking and building up my collection until it became a possibility. I managed to find one used on IG for a good price, and I have never really thought it wasn't worth it since then ;) I woudl recommend the Bodega 2.0 if you want something out of solid Ti, but the Field Grade Bodegas done in carbon fiber are supposed to be very good knives as well, and a little more affordable (emphasis on a little), while still giving you a very good knife.
And if you really want to find a more affordable Begg, they have done a model that is being produced by Reate that is only around $450 to start, which is going to be the first of their "Steel Craft" series of Begg designed production knives. They might also be introducing a Small Bodega into that series in the future as well ;)

They are made for people who use their knives, and they are exceptional works of art at the same time, but they are not going to hold an edge forever, much like a Sebenza. They do have better edge retention on the N690 than CRK's S35VN, but still not anything paryicularly amazing. Very easy to sharpen to a screeming sharp edge though, and it is very tough and resiliant.

And they're very photogenic ;)

Freeman: You HAVE to tell me what you think of it once you get it man! I have been really mulling that one over ever since they released it a little while ago, but never got the chance to pull the trigger. Once word of advice though, they say that the button-lock does take a little bit of breaking in before it is entirely smooth in operation. It starts out a little sticky, and you might have to play with it by opening and closing it repeatedly to fully break it in and smooth that lock engagement out.
Once you have done that, I have heard that they are truly exceptional knives for the price.





You definitely should, my friend ;)

I couldn't find anything that compared to my Shirogorovs either until I got my Higo, but it is also a very different knife in nature to the Shiros, which is largely why I made the mistake of selling mine. Their machining tolerances are second to none though, and the overall quality that goes into each Rockstead is absolutely dumbfounding.
Not to mention, Rockstead has a collaboration coming out sometime next month with Sinkevich, which is insanely gorgeous looking, all-be-it insanely expensive as well :eek:

Check it out herehttp://www.bladehq.com/item--Rockstead-SHUN-ZDP-Frame-Lock-Knife--28852
They also have a smaller one that's a little less expensive with Sinkevich, but hey, if you're going to buy a Rockstead/Sinkevich, you might as well go for the 4"+ model that costs you $2000 ;) :D

Begg knives are a little different, as they are not emphasizing edge retention and the blade as much as Rockstead, but have more focus on the overall knife as a single piece, as well as the artistic look of it.
I love my Bodega, and the insane amount of work that goes into the build of each knife will really come through for you when you hold one and experience it.
When they fit each knife, they make the parts a very minor amount too large and then resize then gradually to make the fit and fitment as tight as physically possible on the parts. The knife is made up of a large number of parts, but man you wouldn't know it holding one. They really feel like a monolythic construction like an integral somehow, and give you no worries at all in the hand.
Mine also has the ceramic IKBS, which you do have to break in a little bit and get smoothed out all the way once the knife is new, but man once it does it's perfect! It will not fall closed under it's own weight, but I don't want it to do that frankly. I like a blade to stay where I put it until I want the knife to close, and it will do exactly that. The difference is that it is very hard to give a truly smooth action where you can't feel the bearings rolling or any snags when closing while still keeping the blade from falling closed too fast and too easy (to me at least), and this has it done perfectly.

And like I mentioned above to Matus, they are also making some models with Reate that are going to be more affordable, which is of note for those interested in Begg knives for sure. You probably won't get the same insane level of production though ;)

No, I'm sure the Begg/Steelcraft Kwaiken won't be as nice as a Glimpse or Bodega. But I haven't heard a single owner complain about their Reate in terms of material and build quality, so I think it'll be worth the money.

The SHUN! I've dropped references and photos more than once, that's another amazing collaboration and a true grail, for me; not in the sense of being hard to find (unless they immediately sell out), but because the 2100$ price-tag is far more than I can justify. Unless someone decides to use their Shun for a rock-chisel, I don't think it'll show up on the exchange for anywhere near my arbitrary/practical limit of 1000$. Love those Sinkevich designs...

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Charr, you make it sound like I should get more than one knife ... but maybe that is just a misunderstanding :D

Let me start with the Freeman Flipper 451 - I have just ordered one. Your request was the last drop :) I should have it within few days - I will share my views soon after. Just keep in mind that my experience with this kind of knives is limited. I have watched all videos I found and that lightly sticky pivot being mentioned. But I guess that should not be a problem.

Rockstead - it is great to hear that it actually is suitable for real like use. There is a dealer in DE so checking one out is possible, but I am concerned what to do if I will actually like it. I have noticed the SHUN model on the webpage of german dealer and yes - the price is approximately where I expected it. And yes - it looks awesome.

I have had a look at Bodega knives - really very particular design. I think I would need some time to really become a fan, but I see that as a realistic possibility. But seeing the prices I guess I will try to keep safe distance :)

Reate did catch my attention - they look like well done knives. I found in particular the model Hills (accidentally one of the cheaper ones as the handle is not so fancy as on the Horizon D (which cost as much as a Sebenza). I may have a look at that one at a later stage too.

Sikael, that Shiro is ... sick :) Seriously - too much for me I guess. Lucky me, given the price.
 
There is quite the thread with all the info
But being bias I would recommend a Shiro. Just been going back to my 95 CF S90 -- 3.75" FFG is pretty much my defacto grind and size as I slice things a lot more in daily tasks. Carson are well made and very smooth knives from the 2 I have handled, an early Exorcist and a Griffin. Not much usage time though.

The only thing is if I were to choose another Shiro as a user-- would go for a washer instead of bearings. I get out into the field and sometimes into real mucky conditions... field strip and assembly of a SRBS bearing shiro really isn't something I like to do in the open.

Been thinking of of a CRK Insingo... shape wise, wharnies would be the most functional for me.

Really like the feel of my Bodega and that nice fluted grind but can't see myself using it. More of because it doesn't suit my needs. Could have kept it ... if I didn't need the funds to roll into another knife... yup another Shiro that just came in :)

Didn't think it was appropriate to post a pic since it was more about selecting a user piece. But since even a Seasons V Nura already made it here.. :)

Oh well...
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