A Different Sebenza Thread

Who says a chive isn't the best for skinning moose?:p

To those of you who think flicking a knife in a "tactical" situation is the fastest way to access your knife, WAKE UP! It is the fastest way to LOSE your knife. I may be new to police work, but I've been involved in martial arts and knives for 15 years. Most tactical situations involve gloves, plus the fact that when the fecal matter hits the rotating oscelator, you lose a good chunk of your motor skills. Flicking your knife is just not the right thing to do. It's like driving too fast. Get there slower or don't get there.
Now, don't go jumping on me. I'm not saying you shouldn't flick your knives. I don't care what you do with your knives. I flick mine all the time, but never in a "tactical" situation. Guess I'm too busy going for my 9mm.

Anyway, back to the sebbie... Truth is I've never even seen one in person. But, with all the bull I've seen in this thread, and others, about the damn thing, now I want one real bad. At least I know I'll be able to get my money back and more if I don't like it.

My big concern is the amount of negativity this type of garbage generates for the maker. Poor Chris Reeve just wanted to make a good knife, for those who liked the same qualities as he was building into it, and here go a group of clowns slandering it. As it has been stated soooo many times, if you don't like it don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you to spend your money on it. Or your time for that matter, but you choose to start threads like this and pick fights. Do you realize you are damaging someones reputation whith this crap?
GROW UP!

By the way, if I stick my Dozier Pro Skinner into a tree stump or vise and bend it sideways with a cheater bar, it will likely crack or chip or break. Does that mean it is not a great knife? No, it is still the best skinner/camp knife I've ever seen. I have bigger knives and axes for chopping and splitting wood.

Sorry for ranting. Thankfully I caught myself before the "raving" started.

Jim
 
Originally posted by MAURICE
Ron,Are you calling me a liar? ;) :p :D
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I've been meaning to talk to you about that whole butt cap experience! ;) (I have a loooooong memory! You're covered man...I'm not going to hunt you down after...........how many years?)
 
Well Jim, since your post appears to have been directed at me (at least in part), let me respond...

First, on flicking...I am not sure that I agree (no, I am sure...I disagree) that "Most tactical situations involve gloves"...I don't know too many people who walk around town with tactical gloves on...though I do know A LOT of people who carry tactical knives...besides, I don't see your point...wouldn't it be harder to use a thumb-stud with gloves on?? (all the more reason to flick??)

Second, on the Sebenza...not sure whether I am being lumped into the "slandering clowns" category (I certainly shouldn't be)...as I have stated on numerous occasions, I have no problem with the knife...it's the CONSTANT references to the Sebenza (which I think are damaging..in part because they ANNOY the crap out of people but there are other reasons too)...

Jim, I don't know how long you have been on BF (your profile says Jan 2002) but if you do a search on Sebenza, you will be AMAZED at how often it pops up (uninvited)...you'd be amazed at the number of times people have posted things like "forget about customs, buy a Sebenza, it's better than any custom" on the CUSTOM forum in RESPONSE to a question like "should I buy custom A or custom B"...you'd also be amazed at how often people post things like "I just got a new custom Carson...it's ALMOST as good as my Sebenza" on the CUSTOM forum (I bet Kit Carson just loves to see that)...you'd be AMAZED at how many times people answer Sebenza to any question about "what knife should I buy with X features" even when the Sebenza doesn't even come close to the criteria (e.g. fixed blades!!)...one could argue that this must mean that the Sebbie is a great knife...I disagree...I think it does a disservice

And I won't even talk about the flames against anyone who dares to speak out...

RL
 
RL

First of all, I would like to apologise if I lumped you in, as you said. I am just saying people should consider who they are affecting when making needless criticisms of others and the fruits of their labors. There is nothing so bad about the sebenza that warrants this type of post.

Number two, when I said "tactical", I was replying to your post. When people use the term tactical, I think of it in the tactical police action sense, or military sense. These are the places this term came from. I think you are using it to mean self defence or knife fighting. that is not a "tactical" situation. It is self defence or knife fighting. Besides, in a self defence situation, or knife fight, you could be wearing gloves for 10 months a year where I live, and 3 to five months a year where you live. If you are using it in a "tactical" situation, as in police or military, you should at least be wearing Hatch, or a similar slash resistant, gloves. And, to answer your question, NO!! It is not easier to flick the knife open, than to use the thumb stud. This of course would depend on how much energy it took to open the knife, but flicking the knife makes it hard to hold, especially with gloves on. Sure you may not drop it when you flick it, but if you do, you are hooped. If it is hard to open with the thumb stud, at least you still have it in your hand for try number two. With my Hatch gloves, there isn't a knife out there I can't open with the stud or hole. (except maybe that Katz knife I used to have) Heck, I've even opened my SAK Ruchsak w/o difficulty.

Number three. I have been on the forum for three or four years now. I recently changed my forum name, because I moved and switched net providers. Couldn't figure out how to change the email address on the forum...
Anyway, I have seen many, many Sebenza threads on these forums, and never have I seen someone say that everything else sucked, Sebenzas rule. Sure alot of people scream sebenza, but they don't usually belittle others or their products.
BTW, saying that someone elses handmade knife is almost as good as a sebenza, is not belittling. Especially if the guy is saying it a good knife. This dude has both knives, and likes the sebbie better. Big deal. It is his opinion. And it is given with tact, rather than slander. Just because someone makes a hand made knife, does not mean that a cheaper production knife or semi production knife can't be better, particularily if it is just someones personal preference.
Just a note, I used to build aircraft, and the machine shop could mass produce parts with tighter tolerances than any custom maker could ever dream of doing in a profitable time frame.

This thread was started not as a personal preference, but as a negative, uninformed, off color slam of a good product. I just feel it is in poor taste.

Jim
 
Sebenzas are extremely good knives. They are not perfect and should not be thought of as such.

I could not care less if a knife should or should not be flicked open. It is something I rarely do and when I do it is just for fun.

The one thing that has been shown to happen on occasion with Sebenzas that would keep me from owning one is that they will sometimes open in your pocket. I have had this happen with other knives and have been cut. This is a shortcoming that I will not tolerate in my knives. It may not happen often, but once is more than enough as far as I am concerned.

An extremely good knife, but not for everybody.
 
"To flick or not to flick, that is the question?"
:D This was such an entertaining thread that I just had to pull out my Sebbie and flick it, or try to anyway. Rats it was too tight to flick, probably cause I tighten it that way, but whoh, maybe it needs to be cleaned. Yep, unscrew the bolt, pop out the blade and washers, clean and oil all, then pop it back in again....5 min work..and that's when I remembered one of the reasons why I like the Sebbie so much.
Flick, shmick, who cares?
Enough of this silliness, I'm going to go and flick my Brad Duncan Negotiator and my Quik-Flik (hey that's what it says on the blade) Cuda Maxx now. :cool:
Rad
 
LOL, now I've seen it all. this is called "Tall Poppy Syndrome". The moment someone or something becomes hugely successful (like Chris Reeve), then there will always be controversy and someone trying to critisize him.



When I am big, I will get a large classic Sebenza.:D

BTW, I have never even seen one "in the flesh" so to speak, but I eagerly await the day.....
 
Sorry girls, I mustn't have been very clear.

Sebenza lovers say it's the best, worth the money, best design, and built like a Sherman tank.

My response is to use the information I got from the forums, from CRK and from my own observations of the knife.

If it's built like a tank, why can't you flick it?

If it's the best design, why does it open in your pocket?

If it's the best design, why can't it be adjusted for the "severe" wear of ficking...Benchmades can...Sypderco's can?

And hey...I didn't even bring up the pricing policy...it's just like diamonds...as long as the demand is solid.

My goal is to show some clear thinking in the awesome hype that gets generated for this knife. As someone said earlier, every question on this forum as to what is the strongest knife, best everyday carry, best urban tactical, best hunting knife...some people always answer Sebenza. Even when the guy wants a $150 knife...some say, save and buy a Sebenza.

It's a great knife. So are a lot of others. Open your eyes.

If you're a true knife collector, then one design can't be satisfying. If it is, your a tool user, not a collector. But that's OK, however you can get a great tool for a lot less than a Sebenza, and you could lose it or lend it w/o crying.


By the way for those of you who care, I don't flick open my knife at Burger King...be real...I only flick at the mall. Just like I practice with my Balisong in front of the cop shop...and gosh golly I wish I could become a virtual ninja.


Thanks for the kind words Gary.
 
Brownshoe - I have a feeling that you're not communicating your thoughts very effectively, if you are not in fact trolling. I have never heard anybody who has been on the forums for a long time, say that the Sebenza is the perfect folder design. The “best design” does not necessarily imply a perfect design. There’s a big difference. Best implies a preference based on opinion. Perfect implies something of a less subjective nature.

So when you argue that a “best design” could not possibly have certain attributes, you are either misspoken or unknowledgeable on the subject. What constitutes a “best design”, in one person’s opinion, is a comparison of quality and features between different products, with certain attributes weighed more heavily than others. How heavily certain attributes are weighed depends upon the person’s wants and needs.

Perhaps the Sebenza is not the best design for YOUR particular needs. Get over it. If I were to start threads on every folder I’ve tried, which has not qualified for my idea of the “best design”, I’d probably overload the board. I’d also do a great disservice to a large number of very good manufacturers who make great overall products.

Many of us don’t give a darn whether a knife is flicked or not. Lots of us use our knives as tools rather than tactical ninja toys. I personally have no knife fighting self-defense delusions of grandeur. I also carry my Sebenza the way it was designed to be carried, which eliminates the problem with accidental opening.

Using my own weighted comparison of features and quality, the Sebenza is the best folder design I’ve found that is in my current price range. It’s the best design I can afford. It’s not perfect, but rates as extraordinary in my book.

If I wanted something better, I’d have to send a plaster cast of my right hand to Darrel Ralph. :D
 
Originally posted by brownshoe
Sorry girls, I mustn't have been very clear.

Sebenza lovers say it's the best, worth the money, best design, and built like a Sherman tank.
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Who said it's the best? Some blieve so, most others say it is excellent knife but by no means perfect. I love the Sebenza but say again and again it has poorer ergonomics than my $40 Spydercos. Every other "pro-Sebenza" response here says it is good but no perfect- like Buzzbait who is courteous enough to respond reasonably even though it is clear you don't care to listen to him, or anyone else.


[QUOTE/]If it's built like a tank, why can't you flick it?

If it's the best design, why does it open in your pocket?

If it's the best design, why can't it be adjusted for the "severe" wear of ficking...Benchmades can...Sypderco's can?[/QUOTE]

See the problem here is that HUMANS are capable of reading replies indicating these are incorrect assumptions, however TROLLS are incapable of doing so. Yes I'm sure you find delight in all this, that is only reason why you come out from under your bridge :rolleyes:
Martin
 
I agree that there is definitely too much Sebenza fanboy hype on this forum, but then again it's like The Emperor's New Clothes.. . after paying so much money for a knife there is no way in hell anyone will be convinced that they didn't purchase the super dooper absolute finest piece of knife work anywhere and that they didn't get a great bargain for the money they paid for it, a crock for sure.


JK
 
ah yes... mr graley pass the popcorn would ya'.....this has made for some fine entertainment.....there have been some very valid points and some not so valid points:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by brownshoe
...Thanks for the kind words Gary.
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You're welcome, most certainly, these folks here abouts get worked up pretty quick and are fast to defend, can't blame them when they have a passion about them, always good to be passionate!

Me, I like a LOT of knives and I've had some that I dearly miss, Very Dearly miss :) but that was my choice in getting it and also in parting with it, so I can't cry too much about it...but I am trying to be just a little more discerning about what I spend my dollars on, so your initial outset of questions had some validity to them but this is a big forum and as you can see from some searches, this argument has been battled over and over and over so much you'd think the knife would loose it's temper with the temperature of some of the threads ;)

My passion changes but it always comes back to how well they cut, feel, smoothness of opening and security of locking and a major point with me is that a knife shouldn't hurt to use it...unless you're goofy and cut yourself...that doesn't count, I'm talking about sharp edges where there should be none. I'm sitting back waiting on a BM771 right now, hoping it's as nice as it looks, in the mean time my other knives will suffice, one that is really taking my liking is my Scott Cook small fixed blade, SO very nice to hold and cut with, exception feeling and S30V cuts so very well...

Good luck on your search...
G2
 
Thanks to all those with reasoned replies.

Per my initial thoughts, what do we know:

You can flick a Sebenza w/o harm, but don't send it in for repair w/o a check.

Per the pocket issue, the only thing I could glean from the trash talk, is that it's an inherent problem in Tip Up and Thumbstud design. I disagree. It could be isolated instances of production problems.

And, yes thank goodness, we got some replies indicating the Sebenza is not the ultimate knife maybe only penultimate.

I believe that generating lively discussion is not Troll behavior, it's what makes life interesting.

I believe that insulting participants, multiple times, is Troll behavior...shame on you, does your mother know?

My first thread was not designed to stir "trouble" but to generate some reasoned discussion on a Sacred Holy Cow. I appologize to those who believe this was inappropriate and were not insulting. I hope nobody's blood pressure went to high.
 
Originally posted by brownshoe
I hope nobody's blood pressure went to high.
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The only thing that gets my blood pressure high is that you were accused of being a troll, idiot, suffering from a syndrome etc. etc...this was EXACTLY the point I was trying to make...I don't think that this name calling helps the cause in any way...it certainly turns me off...

RL
 
I've followed this post for a bit now and have read with great interest all the responses. Many seem aimed at dogging the Sebenza at every turn possible. That's fine because it doesn't change my mind about the Sebenza. I know what I like and I know what works for me. In the end it is me that is going to be happy or not.

You know something. I don't really care for the Benchmade 710 Axis lock. I've had a few but always got rid of them. But I do not at every oppurtunity jump on the 710 and dog it. I just skip the post that talk about it, or talk about any knife I don't care for. (except for Paragons:mad: ) That way I don't get all upset and in a tizz. That would be my advice to those of you who dislike the Sebenza so much!
 
One knife that the maker wants you to flick, as much and as hard as possible, is the Darrel Ralph Mad Maxx.

That being said, I can decide to flick my Sabenza whenever and wherever I want. But I tend not to because it is, to me, a working knife.

This is an entirely wierd argument. If someone doen't like Sabenzas for a flicking reason, that's pretty much scratching the bottom of the barrel in hopes for finding fault. Very childish. I imagine the author of this thread is very happy in the amount of controvery that's been raised.
 
Can you say KNIFE OR KNIVES ?

I'm pretty sure the masses, that visit this forum, knows that this is what it's really all about. . . Knives ! It's not about one specific knife. . .but thousands of those sharp little (and not so little) bastids !

Want to buy a Sebenza or some other knife. . .more power to ya !

Don't want to buy a Sebenza or some other knife. . .more power to ya !

Want to flick your Sebenza or some other knife. . .more power to ya !

Don't want to flick your Sebenza or some other knife. . .more power to ya !

Want to brag about the knife or knives that you have. . ..ROCK ON. . .and more power to ya !

Don't want to hear (read actually) the braggin' about Joe or Josette Bubba'sknife or knives. . .more power to ya !

We're knife knuts. There are only a hand full of places behind "this boob tube" that cater to a bunch of knuts who enjoy such a awesome passion. . . The blade passion. And, I think it's a great place to share our love and desire.

PS: I own several Sebenza's

PSS: They aren't my sole carry

PSSS: My Sebenza's are awesome knives

PSSSS: All the knives I possess are awesome

PSSSSS: Sorry. . .in all of my years of Sebenza carry (and abuse) I've not had one open in my pocket or during any other method of carry. I do empathize with those who claim to have it happen to them.

PSSSSSSS: If you had a Sebenza open in your pocket. . .send the knife to CRK.

PSSSSSSSS: I periodically flick all of my knives. Like it or not. . .they're my knives. I won't lose sleep over it ~ if you don't.

PSSSSSSSSS: I enjoy being here. . .agreeable or not. . .you're still knife knuts ! :)
 
I think you are 100% correct GIGONE !

Agree to disagree....I think we can all agree we are " KnifeNuts ".

I love this place....love the knives and all the comments .
All we need is a gathering...KNIFESTOCK !
 
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