A few words about HONESTY

I do not believe I called anyone a name or claimed unjustly that there is a stigma on this board if you like Strider's. I feel this is the honest truth, and yes It may be due to people on other boards who make Strider's reputation a little strange to deal with. I can accept that.
I do accept that not every knife leaving Strider's doors is perfect, This is not the case for any knife maker.
I did not intend to question anyones integrity, just asked for pictures as I though the thumbstud/lockup problem had just happened.

I feel as a Strider fan (and a Busse Fan and a Benchmade fan) that I have a right to state my opinion if I think a knife or knifemaker is being unjustly critisized OVER AND OVER again mainly due to a somewhat questionable statement about a persons military background. It gets old, get over it.

I am totally not surprised about the ratio of high cost/dissapointment factor of getting a knife and being dissatisfied with it. HOWEVER it appears that almost everyone on this forum has at one time owned a strider and totally HATED it. I know this cant be the case so there is a certain amount of bandwagon jumping going on by people who have no idea whether striders are good bad or a shining example of cutlery today.
 
punisher_nbi45 said:
"HONESTY...is such a lonely word....everyone is so untrue..."
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A "few" words? 1129 words in your rant. I guess we define "few" differently :rolleyes:

punisher_nbi45 said:
I'm not just talking about the song here. I do believe that many people have forgotten what that word really means. Along with a few other words such as "LOYALTY", "INTEGRITY", and "RESPECT".
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I don't know how "loyalty" comes into it. And I don't know where you get off accusing others of lack of integrity or respect - particularly given the tone and content of your rant.

punisher_nbi45 said:
I am over here at BF because of the post about Strider knives. Right off the bat, the post was incredibly moronic,
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Good start. Not!

punisher_nbi45 said:
as the original poster did not even show pics of what happened and never made an effort to contact Strider knives in order to get the problem rectified.
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Perhaps you missed the part where he was overseas and the cost and effort of sending it back to Strider he felt would've been prohibitive?

punisher_nbi45 said:
If you review all the posts in that thread, he keeps mentioning how he got the knife "new and unused", and yet he doesn't have even a pic to prove what he is saying is what really happened.
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So you accuse him of lying about that? What was it you were saying about "respect?"

[remainder of hopeless rant: snip]

I started to address your "points," one-by-one, then decided I've better things to do with my time. You've got some "issues," dude. See help.
 
Lock works great, I wrapped the knife in a towel, installed in a large vice. Stood back 3 feet and whacked hell out of the back of the blade with 48" 1x2 pine board.

Lock seems to work. When I get time maybe I'll throw in a few more details..

Cheers

And for you disgruntled types, why don't you all hold hands and sing KOOM-BAH-YAAA ......
 
LRJ35A said:
Lock works great, I wrapped the knife in a towel, installed in a large vice. Stood back 3 feet and whacked hell out of the back of the blade with 48" 1x2 pine board.

Lock seems to work. When I get time maybe I'll throw in a few more details..

Cheers

And for you disgruntled types, why don't you all hold hands and sing KOOM-BAH-YAAA ......
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This thread is worthless without pics! :D
 
EDCeeker said:
Perhaps you missed the part where he was overseas and the cost and effort of sending it back to Strider he felt would've been prohibitive?

So you accuse him of lying about that? What was it you were saying about "respect?"
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I just wanted to let it drop because it was getting too off topic. And I was willing to give in. But then, after reading your post, I wonder which one of us has issues, "dude"?

I take offense with you insinuating that I was accusing anybody of lying. I just repeated what DT and others have said, for the original poster to show pictures. Numerous calls were made for him to show pics to illustrate his original problem, so how could you jump from that to me accusing anybody of lying? Did you really read the posts?:yawn:

As far as being prohibitive or expensive, you might want to look at where I live. I understand, as well as anyone, how prohibitive it can be but if something is that serious, I would find a way to send it.

Everything was already going well, things were calming down, then you have the nerve to show up and start stirring things up again.

Oh well, I can't expect any better from you, I guess! :jerkit:

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P.S. Before you start slamming other people for having "issues", I suggest you take your own advice first. Seeing as how you seem to keep "muddling" in the s#*t.
 
Pics would have been nice to understand what the problem was, neither Punisher or I were saying, "hey, you have no pics so your a liar" or at least that is not what i intended. Pics make problems with knives a lot easier to understand and reccomend a solution for.

about cost being prohibitive to send in for repair... my car gets 12 miles to a gallon on a good day, does that mean if there is a problem, that i wont take it to a dealer that is 45+ miles away? no, and if the man had a problem he couldnt have fixed I imagine he would have sent his knife in also.
 
darkestthicket said:
I do not believe I called anyone a name ....
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And I would agree. You were among the reasons why I inserted the contents in the brackets in the first sentense of my post even though that was a form of redundancy.

I also think that hating a product is very different from being disappoint about certain aspects of a product (such as QC) or thinking that a product does not deliver at the price point it is sold.

Maybe you are even right that some lay a tenor against Strider that is not based on the performance of the knives, but then again you have to realize that just as there may be some that are baselessly critical of Strider knives, there are also Strider fans that defend their favorite brand in a manner that is bound to raise some hackles. If I simply remember the last time Mick Strider himself was visiting this forum to .....well.... to state his opinion of someone who had received a Strider knife that was not as it should have been (well, the claim was made that it should have never been sold as a new Strider knife) without asking a few obvious questions.... All I can say is that he was most clumsy and offensive in the way he dealt with that issue, not to mention that his language hardly conformed with the basic rules of this forum.
 
Forums are public places and thus are always going to have thier perpetually annoying snobs, the folks who just enjoy sharing information and the ones that just get a kick out of stirring the pot.

As long as one can differentiate between them all , sanity can be maintained.
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punisher_nbi45 said:
I just wanted to let it drop because it was getting too off topic.
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Too late. It was off-topic for the Blade Discussion Forum from the get-go.

punisher_nbi45 said:
And I was willing to give in.
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Oh? Did that "giving in" include apologizing to the OP of the original thread for calling him a "moron" and accusing him of lying? Did it include apologizing to the many people who simply commented on the issues, only to be branded by you "dishonest," "disloyal" (tho to what, I don't know), and lacking in integrity and respect?

Did your "giving in" include an apology for posting a vitriol-filled post to the wrong forum?

punisher_nbi45 said:
But then, after reading your post, I wonder which one of us has issues, "dude"?
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Look in the mirror and wonder no more.

punisher_nbi45 said:
I take offense with you insinuating that I was accusing anybody of lying.
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Take all the offense you want. I didn't insinuate you accused anybody of lying, I asserted you accused somebody of lying. And you did. You did in the original thread where you first got your panties all in a bunch over somebody daring to diss your gods (Strider and his knives) and again in your off-topic rant.

punisher_nbi45 said:
As far as being prohibitive or expensive, you might want to look at where I live. I understand, as well as anyone, how prohibitive it can be but if something is that serious, I would find a way to send it.
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"Prohibitive or expensive" is in the eye of the spender, I would say. The OP in the original thread felt sending the knife back-and-forth was prohibitively expensive. He also mentioned concerns with stuff disappearing in customs, at one end or the other. Who the hell do you think you are to tell him how he should conduct his business? You, who is giving him a hard time over a defective Strider knife he paid good money for.

punisher_nbi45 said:
Everything was already going well, things were calming down, then you have the nerve to show up and start stirring things up again.
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Oh blow it out your back-side. If you didn't want a fecal storm, you shouldn't have started it.

punisher_nbi45 said:
Oh well, I can't expect any better from you, I guess! :jerkit:
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Too right. I'm not inclined to letting somebody such as yourself make unwarranted assertions w/o challenging them.

punisher_nbi45 said:
P.S. Before you start slamming other people for having "issues", I suggest you take your own advice first. Seeing as how you seem to keep "muddling" in the s#*t.
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The fecal matter you created, in case you'd forgotten.

Somebody else alluded to it earlier on in the thread, but I suspect the hint was too subtle for you. I'll be more blunt: Look up the word "hypocrite" some day. That would be one of your personal characteristics.
 
For those of you who know Neil from TNK,where the poster bought the knife in question,does anyone think he is capable of messing with the knife? I don't think so.He is a standup guy and he,himself would have done something about this.

MPE
 
For those of you who know Neil from TNK,where the poster bought the knife in question,does anyone think he is capable of messing with the knife?
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Irrelevent comment, like so much else in this extended discussion.

The original poster didn't say where he got the knife until way after the recriminations were flying. That's why some of us were asking for the initial conditions -- and getting no answers.

On the other hand, how is he going to take pictures of the problem now that he's fixed it himself?

All this babble would have been over a long time ago if everyone stopped to think, to ask specific, sensible questions, and to refrain from reacting emotionally to remarks that weren't addressed to them.

At this point, I admit I feel I'm just stirring the pot myself, responding to the original rant in this thread. Ridiculous to see the subject get itself a second thread, after the first one deteriorated so badly over the false application of "honor" or "integrity" or whatever.

If I haven't made myself real clear here, go back and re-read everything EDCeeker wrote in this thread. I stand behind it 100%.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
All this babble would have been over a long time ago if everyone stopped to think, to ask specific, sensible questions, and to refrain from reacting emotionally to remarks that weren't addressed to them.
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Well, yeah, but then we wouldn't have anything to fight about! :eek:
 
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