A formal apology from Jared West of Mantis Knives

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Not to stand on ceremony, but, no, I haven't heard anything.

Anyway, when sales start to drop, with anyone or any company, creative things happen. I can give him the benefit of the doubt, of course, but no, no apology recieved, and I still don't know if BG42 or 420HC is the true blade steel used in my original knife thread.

Honestly, I have been in retail / wholesale business for 25 years. He could save us all the creative spin and just say "look, sorry I was a d!ck, and yes, the steel is______"

One sentence.

C'est la vie.
 
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To: All forum users who've been offended,
From: Jared West of Mantis Knives

This post should serve as a formal apology
"Should"?? Are you not worried if it doesn't?
for some over-zealous marketing techniques that I recently used to spread the word about our products.
Do you mean SPAM?

As some of you may know, I'm a 27 year old man with an undying love of all things sharp.
Except wit, intelligence or common sense, which you obviously don't have.
I've loved knives ever since I was a little kid...not unlike most of you.
Or your targeted market.
Two years ago, at the advice of a wise knifemaker and friend,
Who? Please tell us!
I founded the Mantis Knife Co. The goal of Mantis Knives was to bring high quality, high-tech knives to the industry at a reasonable price.
When do you plan on releasing these knives?

Mantis has gained a following, certainly comprised of like-minded individuals
Teenagers?
with similar taste in design as myself.
Confirmed...Teenagers.
But it was always been my goal as the leader
Don't you mean Militia General?
of this company; to show ALL "knife nuts" our lineup, and to expose even the savviest of knife buyers to something vastly different.
Savvy? Vastly different? ZR Rated tire rubber?

It was/is NEVER my intention to "dupe" or trick anyone.
Yes, it was. Mission Bravo One.
From time to time I would visit Bladeforums, and on one particular visit, I read a post that hurled insults at both my designs and myself, and made terrible false accusations.
Proof, please.
This angered me greatly, as it would ANY of you, and I reacted.
Nope. Didn't make me mad at all.
Later that day I put in an inquiry to our collector's club
:confused: "collector's club"?
and I asked them to write into the forums to speak THEIR minds about their own Mantis experience.
Ah you mean the Spam campaign.
I did this because I KNOW 100% of them are more than satisfied with their knife,
AND with the chance to win a free one!
with Mantis as a company, and with me; Jared West...the guy they've grown to know as a friend
Criminal?
and fellow knife-nut. I felt that with their testimonials,
You mean their Spam?
that some of the skeptics out there would realize that there's really no need to fear the unknown,
Not the unknown, just the quality and integrity of someone that would attempt to pull this stunt off.
and would allow Mantis to present our knives in a neutral setting.
Again, by initiating Mission Bravo One?
Boy was I wrong...
Yup. Sure were.
My inquiry to The Militia was construed as something entirely different,
No, it wasn't. It was a Spam campaign, with the prize being a free knife.
and for this I apologize.
Doesn't seem like it to me...

It was brought to my attention that even some of my personal past struggles were brought into the forums by some users,
Mostly by your Militia's Spam. Up until then, I'd never heard of you.
and I would like to address this as well. Yes, it's true that I've had past struggles with the law,
"struggles"?:confused:
but I feel very fortunate to have turned that part of my life around while still in my twenties.
Citation Needed
I've been granted the serenity to accept the things I can't change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference...
I think you need some additional granting.
and this will remain within me, god-willing...one day at a time.

The bottom line is this: On a daily basis, I strive to create some great products for ALL of us to enjoy.
Nah, don't bother. I'm not really interested.
I hope that all of you will accept my most sincere apology for any offenses caused by my actions. I'd rather "face the music" head on, than to hide from it.
Should have done that in the first place, instead of sending in a few kids to Spam the forum.

My hope is that this post is taken seriously, as it comes from my heart.
I'd like to see the EKG, please.
I've never lied to any of my customers about ANYTHING.
I could write pages about this comment, but my fingers are getting tired.
I never meant to offend a single one of you, and should any of you feel the need to comment on what you've read here, please call me directly at Mantis (714) 701-9136.

Thank you for your time,

Jared West

Does this mean you're never coming back again???
 
For me, I appreciate the gesture of an apology (if this indeed is really you,) but just saying "I'm sorry" isn't enough.

How about sending another notice to your militia--admitting to, canceling, and apologizing for the spam campaign?

How about dropping the 12 stepper rhetoric and discussing things like CoO, or the way you advertise the same knife with different steels?

How about joining this forum as a manufacturer and establishing a stand-up presence ala Spyderco, Busse, Buck, etc, rather than only issuing an apology when you get caught?

Sorry, but after the games you've pulled, I'll need more than just some-----statement, before I'd consider buying your products.
 
Well, FWIW, I do own a Mantis knife. A small keychain-sized hawkbill/multitool. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The fit and finish on that knife is flawless. Now, where's my free knife, Jared?

I keed, I keed... ;)

Seriously, it's a very well made knife. Any knife company would be proud to release a knife with such a high level of workmanship. Jared West didn't ask me to say this. I was not compensated in any way. I bought the knife and was very impressed with it.



I dunno. 1.This level of humorlessness and self importance proves that anti-knife sentiment has won. 2.Nothing about knives is so sacrosanct. 3.Mantis isn't the first company to adopt some kind of martial theme. Thumbing through Blade magazine reveals many ads of well respected knife companies associating their products with badass knife fighters and mean old black firearms. "Mantis Militia" seems pretty tongue-in-cheek in comparison. To selectively criticize one company for practices many companies engage in nullifies the weight of the criticism.


1.If they have won,we wouldn't be allowed to buy or carry any knives.Why fuel the fire?Especially for a relatively new company.
2.Nothing is sacrosanct.
3.Just because everyone else does it,doesn't make it right.

I think of my knives as tools before anything else.


Just my .02
 
Considering your closing statement, I assume you are done posting here. If not I have a couple of questions.

1. What countries are your knives made in?

2. Why do your knives have no country of origin label?

I know that the Mantis knives are made with U.S. steel, and assembled in Taiwan. As for not having a label with country of origin, I do not know. I do know that other knife companies do this as well. For example, I have an imported Marble's knife, with no label. I also have a Gerber "Aspect" folder that is not marked with any country of origin. I am not familar with any U.S. import laws, and I do not know hat is required.

I think it is really cool of Jared for appologizing. He honestly did not intend to offend anyone. What he said is the honest truth. Jared is a great guy, and I am proud to call him my friend. For those of you who do accept his appology, I personally thank you.
 
Not to stand on ceremony, but, no, I haven't heard anything.

Anyway, when sales start to drop, with anyone or any company, creative things happen. I can give him the benefit of the doubt, of course, but no, no apology recieved, and I still don't know if BG42 or 420HC is the true blade steel used in my original knife thread.

Honestly, I have been in retail / wholesale business for 25 years. He could save us all the creative spin and just say "look, sorry I was a d!ck, and yes, the steel is______"

One sentence.

C'est la vie.

If you are refering to the "Monacoe", the BLADE steel is BG-42, the HANDLE is 420J2. Just like it says on the website. On the auction in question, it was a mistake about the handle being aluminum. Hope this clears it up for you.
 
I think it is really cool of Jared for appologizing. He honestly did not intend to offend anyone. What he said is the honest truth. Jared is a great guy, and I am proud to call him my friend. For those of you who do accept his appology, I personally thank you.

You have an "interesting" history of posts regarding the Mantis spam campaign......

Did you win the knife?
 
personally, the more I read his post, the more it sounds like bulls***t. I hate to be cynical, but to post an apology and then scuttlebutt out? that's not brave. that's like sucker punching someone and then running away.

I'll never buy one of their knives. i'll save my money for other companies.

brett
 
If you are refering to the "Monacoe", the BLADE steel is BG-42, the HANDLE is 420J2. Just like it says on the website. On the auction in question, it was a mistake about the handle being aluminum. Hope this clears it up for you.

Thank you for that clarification. It would probably be best, then, for Jared to correct this link below, since it plainly calls his Monacoe "420HC"...and the handle "aluminum".

See for yourself, below.

http://www.kwdhasit.com/mantis-3inch-black-oxide-folding-knife-p-30240.html
 
You have an "interesting" history of posts regarding the Mantis spam campaign......

Did you win the knife?

Made4blade is a friend of mine as well. I dont think he was doing anything other than speaking his mind on the topic of a product that he believes in (as do I). But you made it clear that his opinion didnt count. He is American, and last I checked, there is still freedom of speech here. As for who won the knife...I am sure that some one will share the email that announced the winners.
 
If you are refering to the "Monacoe", the BLADE steel is BG-42, the HANDLE is 420J2. Just like it says on the website. On the auction in question, it was a mistake about the handle being aluminum. Hope this clears it up for you.

actually, there is a history of questions about the steel of his knives. he claimes BG-42 but the rockwell testing has NOT proven that out.

from what i've heard....
 
Thank you for Posting about the Monacoe M4B. You beat me to it. The T-5 Monacoe has a special place for me, as it is the only T model. It came out when I was still a patrol officer, and It was my badge number ( I have often wondered if he named it for me, since we communicated frequently even then.). If all goes well, I will be reactivated in the force here since there were more grants applied to the budget . They are talking about making me the Animal control officer Part time, and Patrol Officer part time, equating to a full time permanent position. If that happens, I will be T-5 again, and I will be carrying a T-5 Monacoe!!!
 
FWIW,Hey Jared! If you can read this,the "MT-2Ti Classiest Act"(S30V,Ti & Carbon Fiber) is the best knife you ever made:thumbup:
The only one I considered purchasing.


If you are true to your apology,you are forgiven by me.:)



........everybody makes mistakes
 
...I do know that other knife companies do this as well. I have an imported Marble's knife I also have a Gerber "Aspect" folder that is not marked with any country of origin....

Aahh, the rich storied histories of some important knife making giants.

Marbles, Gerber, and Mantis. :D
 
I know that the Mantis knives are made with U.S. steel, and assembled in Taiwan. As for not having a label with country of origin, I do not know. I do know that other knife companies do this as well. For example, I have an imported Marble's knife, with no label. I also have a Gerber "Aspect" folder that is not marked with any country of origin. I am not familar with any U.S. import laws, and I do not know hat is required.

I'm well aware that you don't have the answer to these questions. I've already asked you, and we established that you didn't know. This time, I wasn't asking you.

... He honestly did not intend to offend anyone. What he said is the honest truth. ...
I'm sure he didn't. Intention is secondary to outcome.

If you are refering to the "Monacoe", the BLADE steel is BG-42, the HANDLE is 420J2. Just like it says on the website. On the auction in question, it was a mistake about the handle being aluminum. Hope this clears it up for you.

Yes. That was him.

You seem to want to speak for him. If he wants the acceptance he's looking for, he can come back and speak for himself.

Also, you've stated already that you're just a loyal customer and not a Mantis employee, so as much as you want to be, you are not qualified to answer these questions.
 
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