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A good self defence round against bear?

Erlkonig said:
Fukuro (Socket handle ) Nagasa (Mountain knife)

or call Matagi (Good ghost /Bear hunter )Nagasa and bear spear.[/QUOTE]

Interesting, I've been looking to get one of these for a while (for general utility, not many bears around here). Where was the picture taken? Do you know any maker for those?
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The OP said handgun only, but everyone seems to be recommending rifles or shotguns. A .44 magnum with hard cast bullets will do the job, as will any other larger bore handgun (.454, .50AE, .500 S&W, ect).
 
Just for comparison-

10MM - 200 gr WFNGC, 1350 FPS - 800 foot pounds. This is a HOT load, too. Probably your best bet.

.357 - 200gr WFNGC, 1315 FPS (6 inch barrel. You'll get more if you go 8 inch)- 760 foot pounds

NOT THAT FAR OFF. the 10MM isn't going to beat the .4*s.

.41 magnum - 240gr JSP 1,250 FPS (6 inch barrel) - 832 foot pounds. (this is a commonly available load- 250 grain loads at 1500 FPS- 1200foot pounds!! are common in handloads. Very underappreciated round.)

.44 magnum - 240gr. JSP- 1500fps (6 inch bbl) - 1200 foot pounds. Average hunting load, not ridiculously hot. You can cook it up, but I'd find an 8 inch barrel if I wanted to match the hot .41mag load and not mess with it.

okay, recap: nothing wrong with a 10mm, but it's a hot .357 type round for autopistols, NOT a .41 or .44magnum load. You also tend to run into problems running hot load in autopistols if they aren't tuned for it. I absolutely am going to prefer a revolver in a situation like this- canoeing or hiking, for a whole slew of reasons.


Mind, I'd be personally okay with a hot .357 load in bear country, and I AM comfortable with a hot .38+p load because that's what I take if bear, human, or cougar are my concern!
 
10mm seems to have good spec for a bear emergency. And you get nice mag capacity (Glock 20).
 
Ted Nugent has taken 300lbs boars and other mid-level tough game with his Glock 20. With the proper rounds, it is a very impressive combination. I would trust it on black bear, but no larger bear species.
 
10mm? I've never heard of it. What does that feel like? .45? I shoot a .44 comfortably, but I'm curious, you say it's a good bear round, does anyone know a cheaper 10mm gun? Possibly in revolver form?
 
A bit sharper recoil than a 45ACP but not bad---depending upon the platform and the load. Because it is not a rimmed cartridge, any use in a revolver would require half or full moon clips (as with 45 ACP revolvers). I don't know whether anyone makes a revolver for 10mm. However, in a revolver you might as well go with a 41 or 44 since you'll have the same amount of ammo capacity.

DancesWithKnives
 
10mm is designed to be a longer range, better performing update to the .45acp- it's not designed as a revolver round, and pretty much performs in the space between the .357 and "basic" .44 magnum loads. IMO, there's not a lot of reason to chamber it in a revolver due to that. I think it's an underutilized round- I'd love to see a good inexpensive carbine chambered in it that took 5 or 10 rounds mags. A $300 camp carbine in 10mm would be on my rack, for sure.
 
Smith & Wesson has a model 610 that is chambered in 10mm but I believe they use moon clips. For the money in order of choice for me, 44mag, 41mag, or .357mag.

I like the more cold air in more warm blood out concept. The .41mag is a heck of a round though.
 
I like the 41 also but if you're traveling and need ammo, 44 will generally be easier to find. The top 44 hunting/stopper loads from Buffalo Bore, Garrett, and Cor Bon also offer a bit higher performance. But I wouldn't feel bad about packing a 41 in black bear country.

DancesWithKnives
 
12 gauge brenneke rottweiler slugs. Hardcast with deep penetration. .44 or .357 if you insist on carrying a revolver for black bear.
 
With regard to shotgun slugs (which I recognize is not the OP's question), what I've come to like even better than the Brenneke (a great slug that I carried for years) is the Tusker from www.dixieslugs.com. Despite some confusion on the website, it is still available if you sign the proper order form.

DancesWithKnives
 
Masteroffajitas said:
10mm? I've never heard of it. What does that feel like? .45? I shoot a .44 comfortably, but I'm curious, you say it's a good bear round, does anyone know a cheaper 10mm gun? Possibly in revolver form?
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10mm is a very controllable round.

Glock will probably be your least expensive - Like Helle said the 610 S&W is your only revolver choice. Not sure why you want to limit yourself to 6 rounds?

10mm may not stop a charging grizz, but with 8 shots you won't have to worry about stopping most anything else
 
ieraseu said:
The OP said handgun only, but everyone seems to be recommending rifles or shotguns. A .44 magnum with hard cast bullets will do the job, as will any other larger bore handgun (.454, .50AE, .500 S&W, ect).
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Check the stats and the OP

Glock 20 is less expensive than a 44 mag

10mm ammo is less expensive than 44 mag

Glock 20 has 16 round capacity

Op can Start shooting at 20 feet make a lot of holes with 16 rounds

Op can also buy some Hot loads for either
 
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There are so many people inputting on these firearm threads. They also tend to get very heated. The reason is because there are many things that work. What it comes down to, especially with handguns, is personal preference, performance, reliability and cost. I'm sure the amount of bears taken with 10mm, 41 mag, 44 mag, 357 mag and .45 are too numberous to list. All of these calibers have their ups and downs. We don't need another glock versus revolver for outdoor packing thread. We don't need another this caliber versus that caliber thread. What we need are helpful suggestions for this man so he can choose the right product for him. 10mm Auto is an outstanding round, has proven accuracy, energy transfer and with regular training is very manageable. The same accounts for all these other calibers listed. I'd also lean towards .41 Mag as an option, as using snakeshot for rattlers is also a possibility.
 
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