A place for input on jgcustom knifes......

jgcustoms said:
none of which has been what the post was originally for, IF YOU read the post reply TO THE POST! DOESNT SAY GO OFF BEING A PACK OF RUDE ASS*OLES DOES IT? so enjoy your selfs
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Well, if it ain't the pot calling the kettle black. So, the gloves come off.....

Josh, you are what I would term "naively self-deluded".

You will have a hard time getting off the porch to play with the big dogs until you learn just how poorly designed and crafted those first knives are. At this point, you demonstrate a potential for adequate skill, but it is not realized in the knives you displayed. That's okay; most everyone starts at the beginning.

Until you quit having your head contorted around to blow smoke up your own arse, you are going to have a difficult time progressing to the point your knives deserve to be paid for. What you have shown are the knives that most every maker never displays. Wrapped in a towel and stuck in a drawer, they see the light of day only for the maker to reflect on his progress.

And as for me being an asshole, you are correct. Sadly for you, though, I am an honest one.
 
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WOW! That’s really too bad. I kinda like the creativity that jgcustoms put into his knives so far and was looking forward to seeing where he goes with it. Of course now after this uncalled for display of ego driven aggression from jgcustoms I am not thinking things will be going well in the near future
 
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Looks like he took his ball and went home...edited his sale threads, too.
JG, I hope you clear your head and realize people are trying to help you improve. Take what you can use now, and file the rest for later.
Really value honest feedback...it is so rare now-a-days...

Chuck
 
I just read this thread and I'll add this. It's hard to hear criticism at times when you've worked hard on something. I've posted many a blade trying to learn and openly listening to what people have to say, no matter how harsh. While Fiddleback (no offense to ya' man) may have been a little more harsh than I would have, he made valid points. If you ask for an opinion on here, don't expect everyone to be all touchy feely. I will not comment on JG's knives as there is no point. I will say thank you to all for all the comments you may have provided on my work and also how valuable the information provided BF has been to me.
 
My harsh advice would be for the boy to try simple knives that look like they will cut before trying to be the next Virgil England. And also stow the ego.:o I got a knife from a young man in a KITH last year. It was one of his first and boy, was it homely, but he used simple steel, 1075, got the heat treat pretty much right and it had a nice sharp edge and cut......what more can you ask for from an early attempt at knifemaking. He did better than I did on my first knives.
 
I am so glad I didn't give my opinion when JG posted his knives.

I also made all sort of strange design artsy knives in the beginning (and still have many of them). The same engineering and design I was lacking are in JG's knives, but I figured that some others would address that. I didn't expect the reaction to criticism that evolved.

I must say that I wouldn't want to be at a table next to him at a big show...when a mastersmith or major collector unwisely offered his opinion or long learned advise to JG.

JG, I don't want to criticize your knives or you....but take a good read over this entire thread and see where it turned ugly. Step back, take a deep breath, and go back to making knives with a new attitude toward the art. Not an, "I'll show them" attitude, but an "I'll see where I can improve" attitude. Take a look at the big names in knife making...Bill Moran, George Herron, Bob Loveless,Jay Hendricks, and many others. They never got in someones face, insulted people ,or got overly defensive. Their work progressed to the heights they attained by hard work and listening to other peoples input.

I personally know a maker who is so extremely talented that it is unreal. Unfortunately he also is so opinionated and full of himself that no one can deal with him. He did shows about ten years ago, and hardly sold a knife. The ones he has sold or traded to dealers get top prices today but he still can't sell them himself. He now owns the worlds largest collection of his own knives. On the other hand I know several fair to middlin' makers who sell every knife they make...,mostly because they are friendly and cheerful.
Stacy
 
jgcustoms said:
iv learned what i know from doug of DPKnives. he helps me with any questions and advise i need. The heat treat and temper was initially done by him while i learned how to do that process correctly. The hardness is 58-60 i do believe. Hes had his knifes tested and abused so i dont see a problem with how things are done. I know the knifes iv made are quality, and the fit and finish is thrall on all of them. If fiddleback want to patronize me on the misspelling of the bocote in my very first post then so be it. Iv only POSTED 5, thats not what iv made for personal or gifts for family. Just for a GOOD laugh id like to see any of your first five knifes, because im coming to the conclusion that im making knifes that you you couldn't do in your early days of knife making. So get your digs in while you all can because im not going anywhere! Iv just begun and I make my sales because THERE QUALITY KNIFES AND NOT AT A UNREASONABLE PRICE. Theres talent and good skills put into every one made. Ill be making some of your plain jane crap in the days to come and i know my fit and finish will surpass what your $90.00 good sellers will have to offer. Hate me if you want because this is all this has become on this site. Knife makers have stuck me enough so do your selfs a favor and dont respond to this post. This site has not shown any friendly welcome like i was told there was. All iv got from most is criticism and rude gestures on how im wrong and not making a quality knife.
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look fiddle was trying to help you and I agree with him. I am upgrading here by the end of the week I have been making knives for a year know. And my prices are not anywhere close to that. I have also like you miss-spell something one time I think it was steal instead of steel if you can't take the picking don't post or don't screw up anymore. The way not to sell knives is pick stupid fights with people you can't compete with Fiddle's knives are far better than what you are selling and I would buy a knife from him because he's always been nice to everyone (unless otherwise provoked). I have been keeping up with your post since I first saw you on here. And you have answered every post rudely :thumbdn: people are not going to do buisness with you because of the way you have been acting. I've got a question how old are you anyway? I'm 23 and when I'm at shows people look at my knives like what they see and look at me and walk away this is a job for old men who have done this twenty plus years. Coming on the scene and being a cocky brat is not the way to prosper
 
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Robert Dark said:
Much, much, much to learn. The majority of knifemakers that I have had contact with are very humble individuals. (you might say "umble")

When a fairly "newbie" like myself ask for reviews, he had better be aware that there are some very honest people left in this world. If you don't want honest replies, then its just best not to ask.

You just ain't gonna win a "pissin'-contest" here, especially with just a couple of months under your belt.

Take your time, learn all you can, ask for help now and then, ask for feedback on your knives (but be ready when it doesn't come up all-roses), and most of all............ brush off any chips you may have on your shoulders. Life will be much better that way.

Just an old man's observations on life.................... Robert
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"newbie" more like screwbie
 
Dude just your shear, can't take any critizism, I know it all and screw you. I've made 5 knives, WHOOOO I'm a big friggin deal, Attitude is why I will NEVER buy a knife from you.
chill, take a lude dude, calm the blink down, and maybe you'll learn and Sell something.

have a nice day

Jason
 
Let me start by saying thanks to everyone for their input on my knives as I have only making knives a fairly short time. I have gotten some very good advice on these forums, I have read a lot of the posts here and must say there is a TON of GREAT information here. I spent many months reading, researching and learning what it takes to makes a piece of raw steel into a tool. I know I still have a long way to go, but looking back I can see great improvements in my work. Most of the comments I have gotten are very positive and by taking them and thinking about them can really help.

As far as the input most people have given to Josh I wish he would just step back and see what everyone has offered him here. I did teach him some of the basics and got him started he wanted to make things that were different and he does show promise but WE ALL NEED to learn from what others are telling us. I told him when he was starting I did not want him to make knives with designs similar to mine and I may have gotten him off track as to his starting point.

I like getting the input from the many skilled craftsman here even if it is not what I wanted to hear. All the input really helps. Sorry for the ramble on but I had to do it . Thanks everyone for your support and comments and input. Josh if you read this one sometime THINK about what most are trying to do FOR YOU. Doug DPKnives.
 
An observation===taking your head out of the box can sometimes lead to good things.

Taking your head out your ass, however, ALWAYS leads to good things.

My best guess is that your next move will be a brief stint in stand-up comedy, where you scream at the audience about how you know your jokes are high quality, and don't need to be 'plain jane' funny like all the other comics' jokes.

I think there were some interesting ideas bouncing around in your brain regarding design, but some growing up will have to take place if the patience is to come that can work those ideas into realities. Best of luck.
 
most important is getting feedback as to how they perorm. A $50 knife that wont hold an edge isnt worth $50 unless its a paperweight or an art piece.

Start off walking to get to know the neighborhood before you jog.
 
Robert Dark said:
Just an old man's observations on life.................... Robert
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THIS THE THE BEST LESSON FROM THIS POST I CAN FIND:thumbup:

re read what Brother Dark had to say;)

But by all means, dont give up and run away. Thats how we all get to the finish line, by staying in the race or am I expecting too much? Get back in the game if you want to play. Thats all there is to it. Your price and style just that......yours to determine. Its up to OTHER to purchase, so really this is a simple supply VS demand and a drawer full may tell you all you need to know.
 
This is one of those "What doesnt kill me will make me stronger" threads. One really good thing has already happened: You are now known. Please come back humble and take some of the advise given. You will see we are not the Aholes you think we are.
 
Hey when I am making knives I am at IG's. And he doesn't throw compliments around and he mostly takes me down a notch or 2 every time. And I love it:) Helps me learn from my mistakes. BTW IG is this saturday good for some "critisism"?
 
Great reading here. You can learn a lot from everyone here. I've PM'd and emailed several people here that have sent back helpful hints and tricks of the trade to making my first knife.

I haven't posted it up, but it's something for me to learn from. A belt sander, grinder, and a teaspoon of humble goes a long way.

I agree with everybody else, although I didn't get to see your knives, your attitude to constructive criticism is going to drive people away from your knives. As for the pricing, sometimes you have to suck it up and sell below your "hopeful" pricepoint. You have to go by cost of materials, and then pat yourself on the back and add on $30 ~ $40 for your effort. Until your name (and attitude) has a good reputation, that's just how it's going to be.

I know that my first few knives will be all mine. Maybe in 10+ years they can be sold as a "first run prototype" :D. I do dremel engrave mine with the number of the knife (number 3 is as far as it goes right now), and I put my name on the other side. I'm also using crap steel to practice with, and then I will move on to buying the real stuff.

So, stay humble, get criticised, and learn from your mistakes.
 
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