A Question for NYC LEOs....

Ok Mike here is a answer.

Find something or a Spyderco that is 3 1/2 " or less and you can tighten the screw so that it cannot be flicked open.

Make sure it is concealed at all times.



S/F,
CEYA!
 
Take a Street Beat.:thumbup:
Made by Spyderco, strong, looks cool, and can't flick a fixed bladed knife.
Not too big for carry, either.
 
stabman said:
Take a Street Beat.:thumbup:
Made by Spyderco, strong, looks cool, and can't flick a fixed bladed knife.
Not too big for carry, either.
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I love that knife. Fred Perrin knows what he's doing. I'd go for the IWB carry. It's fast, concealable, no lock to fail, and aesthetically appealing. Another great suggestion. :thumbup:
 
Haha, alrea got Street Beat. Actually, the street beat was the first Spyderco I ever purchased. I have used it here and there, but the only thing about the FB option is I think one would have a hard time explaining why you're carrying a sheathed knife, plus, despite its small size, the handle does jut out when sitting....I think my coworkers would also raise their eyebrows when I whip out a fixed blade for use in the office. But yes, I absolutely agree that it is a great little knife. Plus, I am also a big fan of Perrin designs. One of my favorite toys is a Perrin Tri Folder, but I don't edc that as it is clearly not a kosher edc carry where I live.
 
Michael Bolton said:
Haha, alrea got Street Beat. Actually, the street beat was the first Spyderco I ever purchased. I have used it here and there, but the only thing about the FB option is I think one would have a hard time explaining why you're carrying a sheathed knife, plus, despite its small size, the handle does jut out when sitting....I think my coworkers would also raise their eyebrows when I whip out a fixed blade for use in the office. But yes, I absolutely agree that it is a great little knife. Plus, I am also a big fan of Perrin designs. One of my favorite toys is a Perrin Tri Folder, but I don't edc that as it is clearly not a kosher edc carry where I live.
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OK-Michael. I am blaming this on you. I am going to tell my wife that you convinced to buy the Street Beat.
Here is a review. He carries it SOB
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=235809
 
Haha, you will love it, Dragonram7! The design is really lovely and I was shocked at how it really melts into my hand. I have kinda purchased too many Spydies recently so I am going to take some time and just enjoy the ones that I currently have, but, on a slightly off topic note, if I were to indeed purchase another Perrin design I think that I might buy another small fixed blade directly from him. a number of his designs have a great deal in common with the street beat, but have more of a home-made tactile natural quality which is really appealing. On a more on topic note, the kydex sheath that comes with the street beat isn't nearly as nice as the knife itself, and per mr blonde's rec, I went ahead and purchased a custom sheath for the perrin from mike sastre at river city sheaths. He is a super nice guy and was more than happy to talk shop when I spoke with him. If you have any interest in actually purchasing something from mr perrin let me know and I can send you his contact info. He also sells his designs online, but through a french site. I can't recall the url but can look it up later if you are interested.
 
Michael Bolton said:
Haha, you will love it, Dragonram7! The design is really lovely and I was shocked at how it really melts into my hand. I have kinda purchased too many Spydies recently so I am going to take some time and just enjoy the ones that I currently have, but, on a slightly off topic note, if I were to indeed purchase another Perrin design I think that I might buy another small fixed blade directly from him. a number of his designs have a great deal in common with the street beat, but have more of a home-made tactile natural quality which is really appealing. On a more on topic note, the kydex sheath that comes with the street beat isn't nearly as nice as the knife itself, and per mr blonde's rec, I went ahead and purchased a custom sheath for the perrin from mike sastre at river city sheaths. He is a super nice guy and was more than happy to talk shop when I spoke with him. If you have any interest in actually purchasing something from mr perrin let me know and I can send you his contact info. He also sells his designs online, but through a french site. I can't recall the url but can look it up later if you are interested.
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I'm interested. Mike Sastre, I've heard about his work. I would be interested in purchasing from Fred Perrin directly. My French is pretty weak. I'll have to get my wife to help me. Any contact information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
 
"§ 10-133 Possession of knives or instruments.


a. Legislative findings. It is hereby declared and found that the possession in public places, streets and parks of the city, of large knives is a menace to the public health, peace, safety and welfare of the people of the city; that the possession in public places, streets and parks of such knives has resulted in the commission of many homicides, robberies, maimings and assaults of and upon the people of the city; that this condition encourages and fosters the commission of crimes, and contributes to juvenile delinquency, youth crime and gangsterism; that unless the possession or carrying in public places, streets and parks of the city of such knives without a lawful purpose is prohibited, there is danger of an increase in crimes of violence and other conditions detrimental to public peace, safety and welfare. It is further declared and found that the wearing or carrying of knives in open view in public places while such knives are not being used for a lawful purpose is unnecessary and threatening to the public and should be prohibited.

b. It shall be unlawful for any person to carry on his or her person or have in such person's possession, in any public place, street, or park any knife which has a blade length of four inches or more.

c. It shall be unlawful for any person in a public place, street or park, to wear outside of his or her clothing or carry in open view any knife with an exposed or unexposed blade unless such person is actually using such knife for a lawful purpose as set forth in subdivision d of this section.

d. The provisions of subdivisions b and c of this section shall not apply to (1) persons in the military service of the state of New York when duly authorized to carry or display knives pursuant to regulations issued by the chief of staff to the governor; (2) police officers and peace officers as defined in the criminal procedure law; (3) participants in special events when authorized by the police commissioner; (4) persons in the military or other service of the United States, in pursuit of official duty authorized by federal law; (5) emergency medical technicians or voluntary or paid ambulance drivers while engaged in the performance of their duties; or (6) any person displaying or in possession of a knife otherwise in violation of this section when such knife (a) is being used for or transported immediately to or from a place where it is used for hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, picnicking or any employment, trade or occupation customarily requiring the use of such knife; or (b) is displayed or carried by a member of a theatrical group, drill team, military or para-military unit or veterans organization, to, from, or during a meeting, parade or other performance or practice for such event, which customarily requires the carrying of such knife; or (c) is being transported directly to or from a place of purchase, sharpening or repair, packaged in such a manner as not to allow easy access to such knife while it is transported; or (d) is displayed or carried by a duly enrolled member of the Boy or Girl Scouts of America or a similar organization or society and such display or possession is necessary to participate in the activities of such organization or society.

e. Violation of this section shall be an offense punishable by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars or by imprisonment not exceeding fifteen days or by both such fine and imprisonment.

§ 10-134 Prohibition on sale of certain knives.


a. Legislative findings. It is hereby declared and found that the possession in public places, streets and parks of the city, of folding knives which lock upon opening, is a menace to the public health, peace, safety and welfare of the people of the city; that the possession in public places, streets and parks of such knives has resulted in the commission of many homicides, robberies, maimings and assaults of and upon the people of the city, that this condition encourages and fosters the commission of crimes, and contributes to juvenile delinquency, youth crime and gangsterism; that if this situation is not addressed, then there is a danger of an increase in crimes of violence, and other conditions detrimental to public peace, safety and welfare. It has been found that folding knives with a blade of four (4) inches or more that locks in an open position are designed and used almost exclusively for the purpose of stabbing or the threat thereof. Therefore for the safety of the city, such weapons should be prohibited from sale within the jurisdiction of the city of New York.

b. It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, or offer for sale within the jurisdiction of the city of New York, any folding knife with a blade length of four or more inches which is so constructed that when it is opened it is locked in an open position and cannot be closed without depressing or moving a release mechanism.

c. Exempt from this section are importers and exporters or merchants who ship or receive locking folding knives, with a blade length of four or more inches, in bulk, which knives are scheduled to travel or have travelled in the course of international, interstate, or intrastate commerce to a point outside the city. Such bulk shipments shall remain in their original shipping package, unopened, except for inspection and possible subdivision for further movement in interstate or intrastate commerce to a point outside the city.

d. Violation of this section shall be an offense punishable by a fine of not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750) or by imprisonment not exceeding fifteen days (15) or both such fine and imprisonment. Any person violating this section shall be subject to a civil penalty not to exceed one thousand dollars for each violation."


From NYC Administrative Code
 
State law
§ 265.00. Definitions


4. "Switchblade knife" means any knife which has a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife.

5. "Gravity knife" means any knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force which, when released, is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever or other device.

5-a. "Pilum ballistic knife" means any knife which has a blade which can be projected from the handle by hand pressure applied to a button, lever, spring or other device in the handle of the knife.

5-b. "Metal knuckle knife" means a weapon that, when closed, cannot function as a set of metal knuckles, nor as a knife and when open, can function as both a set of metal knuckles as well as a knife.

5-c. [Eff Feb 11, 2008] "Automatic knife" includes a stiletto, a switchblade knife, a gravity knife, a cane sword, a pilum ballistic knife, and a metal knuckle knife.


§ 265.01. Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree


A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree when:

(1) He possesses any firearm, electronic dart gun, electronic stun gun, gravity knife, switchblade knife, pilum ballistic knife, metal knuckle knife, cane sword, billy, blackjack, bludgeon, metal knuckles, chuka stick, sand bag, sandclub, wrist-brace type slingshot or slungshot, shirken or "Kung Fu star"; or

(2) He possesses any dagger, dangerous knife, dirk, razor, stiletto, imitation pistol, or any other dangerous or deadly instrument or weapon with intent to use the same unlawfully against another; or
 
*sigh* i've got those highlighted in my CPL in my office.

under NY's definition of a 'switchblade', assisted openers with flippers fall right in. haven't seen anyone get snagged for it yet, but......
 
Aside: Dangerous weapon is defined as any item that in it's manner of use or intended use is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury.

It appears that Scouts and Girl Scouts can be trusted, according to the code. It also states employment (10-133 6.(a)). If I work in an office that requires me to open mail,boxes, cut tape,etc. Excellent information.
 
spidyman said:
Hey at least in my state io don't have the gov. banging every woman that he sees, and then pays them outrageous fees with TAXPAYER money!!!!
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I did not know that. Can you link me to an article confirming his use of taxpayer money to pay his strumpet?
 
In fact, he got caught because he was shifting around money from his own personal accounts to pay for it, and the bank reported this as possible money laundering. No taxpayer moeny involved.

But what would spidyman know? What state is he from anyway? :)
 
Esav Benyamin said:
In fact, he got caught because he was shifting around money from his own personal accounts to pay for it, and the bank reported this as possible money laundering. No taxpayer moeny involved.

But what would spidyman know? What state is he from anyway? :)
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the state of confusion.

or perhaps the state of perpetual lunacy.
 
It is apparent why the crime rate is so high with such tight weapon controls on law abiding citizens. I would leave the jurisdiction before walking around defenseless in a place like NYC.
 
According to a recent flyer, that has come into my possession, on relevant statutes and laws regarding knives and boxcutters in New York, a gravity knife is defined as "similar to a switchblade, except it is opened and becomes locked in place by gravity, or the use of centrifugal force (i.e. "flicking" it open)". A switchblade on the other hand is defined as "any knife that opens automatically when pressure is applied to a button, spring, or another device in the handle". Possession of either is a Class A Misdemeanor under Penal Law 265.01(1). If you are going to risk carrying anything that meets the above criteria it would be prudent to carry it deep in your pocket, away from metal detectors or situations where you might be frisked. Better still, do not carry anything that an LEO can interpret as a gravity or switchblade knife - to save yourself some possible aggravation or worse.
 
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