A Real Busse Folder, The Cubera?

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moonwilson said:
Unless of course, this thing is a fake, or has been posted on Ebay at Jerry's request. There's no telling what's going on in his head. Machiavellian machinations may be at work. From my observations, they frequently are, in Busse land. Dude knows a thing or two about marketing.
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Jerry couldn't have engineered this. He was too busy consulting on faking the new moon landings.

Oh, oh, I think I've said too much...
 
Greg45 said:
I don't have mine in front of me, but I think the Skelly Keys were hollow-ground.
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I'll totally take your word for it... I don't have any, and have never see one up close. (bummer!) :thumbup: ...I do believe that there are a few others, at least as Custom Shop pieces. :)
 
moonwilson said:
Unless of course, this thing is a fake, or has been posted on Ebay at Jerry's request. There's no telling what's going on in his head. Machiavellian machinations may be at work. From my observations, they frequently are, in Busse land. Dude knows a thing or two about marketing.
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that's an interesting point of view.
 
moonwilson said:
Unless of course, this thing is a fake, or has been posted on Ebay at Jerry's request. There's no telling what's going on in his head. Machiavellian machinations may be at work. From my observations, they frequently are, in Busse land. Dude knows a thing or two about marketing.
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Jerry has never and I doubt will ever do business this way. I'd believe in the moon landing being a fake sooner than this being a marketing deal.
Bob
 
moonwilson said:
Unless of course, this thing is a fake, or has been posted on Ebay at Jerry's request. There's no telling what's going on in his head. Machiavellian machinations may be at work. From my observations, they frequently are, in Busse land. Dude knows a thing or two about marketing.
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Jerry may know how to hype, but he's serious when it comes to honoring a commitment.
 
Andy'sLeatherHouse said:
Why? I am sure they would have said something yesterday if it bothered them
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Because I don't assume something is okay just because no ones said anything about it. when someones trust is taken advantage of and they don't chime in it against doesn't make the breach of trust okay. ever.

if jerry can't do anything about the sale because his contract was a gentlemens agreement, then there may be no recourse for him to do anything about it. Openly asking those on the forums to not post the images once they're out in the open and publicly commented on wouldn't do him any good in that case, but that wouldn't change anything. if jerry doesn't want the pictures on the board they shouldn't be on the board, regardless of what others do in their disregard for his requests.

I don't assume to speak for jerry, but it's always been my understanding that the folder and the soul knives were not to be posted until his go ahead, and I have no reason whatsoever to go against that. any attempts to do so, however slight it may seem, is a breach of public trust.
 
Last Visible Canary said:
Because I don't assume something is okay just because no ones said anything about it. when someones trust is taken advantage of and they don't chime in it against doesn't make the breach of trust okay. ever.

if jerry can't do anything about the sale because his contract was a gentlemens agreement, then there may be no recourse for him to do anything about it. Openly asking those on the forums to not post the images once they're out in the open and publicly commented on wouldn't do him any good in that case, but that wouldn't change anything. if jerry doesn't want the pictures on the board they shouldn't be on the board, regardless of what others do in their disregard for his requests.

I don't assume to speak for jerry, but it's always been my understanding that the folder and the soul knives were not to be posted until his go ahead, and I have no reason whatsoever to go against that. any attempts to do so, however slight it may seem, is a breach of public trust.
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How bout we worry about the pics if the thing turns out to be the real deal.......as that has yet to be verified
Until then....It is just a Pic.....maby even photoshopped
 
I asked the seller again if Jerry okay'ed the sale.
 
+1 for both. Jerry certainly does know how to get the trough riled up, but he is a not a guy to do such a thing.

flatlander said:
Jerry has never and I doubt will ever do business this way. I'd believe in the moon landing being a fake sooner than this being a marketing deal.
Bob
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Guyon said:
Jerry may know how to hype, but he's serious when it comes to honoring a commitment.
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moonwilson said:
The grind lines on the pictured knife are quite uneven. My comments about the grind were not so much about the tip design, but about the overall "wavy" nature of the piece. It doesn't look up to the usual Busse standards of production, especially for such an important, custom, prototype piece.

My arguments against the functional design are numerous. First of all, as you have noted, the handle looks quite slippery and uncomfortable. Second, the grind looks extremely obtuse, and will make for piss-poor slicing. The grind doesn't even start until half way down the blade- and that thing looks crazy thick. The handle projects out over the blade near the lock, and will obviously get in the way when slicing. The handle bolts are oddly placed- it's difficult to tell how the thing is held together. Is it pinned like a SS Spyderco, or is that tiny little bolt and the pivot all that's holding the thing together? Doesn't look terribly robust to me in either event, unless the whole thing is milled from a solid piece of steel- in which case, the knife would be very, very heavy. The location of the blade pivot is way off center, meaning that when the blade is closed, the overall package will be very wide and un-pocket-friendly. Etc.
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I beleive it is a single peice of machined alluminum, rather then two slabs bolted together, which eliminates the need for joining bolts. as far as the uneveness of the grinds, looking at the photos closely the grinds are even on both sides, they come to vertical line of the swedge and dip downward that the same point. the waviness you see along the straight tops of the grind are from jpeg compression induced aliasing.

I have a feeling that the small screw you see is actually a blade stop, not anything meant to hold the handle together.

The handle wouldn't be made of steel, it'd be either aluminum or titanium (probably aluminum). not light by any means, but not a 10lb weight either. The handle doesn't extend over the cutting edge, it stops at it, which is no worse then a mora that has a gaurd, where the edge stops at the gaurd. chances are your knife will never sink in past the edge, unless your cutting at a high inverse angle, something you'd only do for skinning or up-cutting shingles/fabrics. it would probably get in the way for that type of work if you were using the flats of the blade.

as far as the grind, scandi grinds are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. at 3/16" with a 60% heigth hollow grind, it'll slice just fine until you get into bindy material like potato's, plastics, or knotty woods. while a full heigth grind would be nicer, this is supposed to be a folder that stands up to the busse warranty. your guaranteed to have some noticeable compromises between lightness of carry and cutting ability.

I agree with you that it doesn't fit the role of an edc slicer in a folder format, but I think it does a decent job of getting a usably sharp ultra heavyduty beater out of the folder format.


moonwilson said:
Unless of course, this thing is a fake, or has been posted on Ebay at Jerry's request. There's no telling what's going on in his head. Machiavellian machinations may be at work. From my observations, they frequently are, in Busse land. Dude knows a thing or two about marketing.
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I'm not discounting it because i'm not omnipotent, but busse doesn't do that kind of b.s. subversive marketing. it would come back at him like a poorly struck whip with detrimental loss of public image and standing.

it would be like him telling someone to post the soul knife on ebay. the affect would be "I just lied to you for 5 years. please buy knives from me." That isn't Jerry Busse.
 
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That's a whole lotta post for a knife that's never been seen. :p :D
 
There sure is alot of heated speculation over the unknown here!:D One thing I think is for sure! The people wan't a folder Jerry:D Including me!:thumbup:
 
Andy'sLeatherHouse said:
How bout we worry about the pics if the thing turns out to be the real deal.......as that has yet to be verified
Until then....It is just a Pic.....maby even photoshopped
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your free to do whatever you want, but i'm not going to use that kind of logic. ""if" this turns out to be bad, then I'll repent later" is a bad way to go about things.

If jerry doesn't want these up, i'm not going to throw them around the internet because i'm free and clear until he says to stop. I know right now that he might not want them up because he's said so explicitly in the past. I have a 50/50 chance of doing wrong and breaking his trust by doing that. If he comes on and says it's okay, then I'll post the pics everytime someone asks about them. I'm not doing it until then and I don't think anyone else should.

that said, I'm definitely not for the big brother approach. Being the interwebs, your free to do what you want until a law is broken, and this kind of thing isn't a legal issue (as far as I know).
 
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moonwilson said:
Unless of course, this thing is a fake, or has been posted on Ebay at Jerry's request. There's no telling what's going on in his head. Machiavellian machinations may be at work. From my observations, they frequently are, in Busse land. Dude knows a thing or two about marketing.
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Andy,

I assure you that Jerry did not do this and it is not a "marketing " thing in "Busse Land"

and well... that is all I have to say about this...cause I am kinda sad that you would think such a thing...:(

and to all of YOU that are laying the smack down on moonwilson...

STOP IT...everyone is allowed to have a opinion...

so at that note I drink a Coor's Light because it has been a very long day...


It is only Wednesday:thumbup:

Amy-0
 
Last Visible Canary said:
your free to do whatever you want, but i'm not going to use that kind of logic. ""if" this turns out to be bad, then I'll repent later" is a bad way to go about things.

If jerry doesn't want these up, i'm not going to throw them around the internet because i'm free and clear until he says to stop. I know right now that he might not want them up because he's said so explicitly in the past. I have a 50/50 chance of doing wrong and breaking his trust by doing that. If he comes on and says it's okay, then I'll post the pics everytime someone asks about them. I'm not doing it until then and I don't think anyone else should.
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Your point is understood.....but remember......it is just a knife.....not some holy,mythical, powerful entity. Don't read into it more than what it is.... a knife
 
OMGoodness.....


EVERYONE CHILL:):)

RELAX...

Enjoy LIFE

Just sayin

Amy-0
 
Amy-0 said:
and to all of YOU that are laying the smack down on moonwilson...

STOP IT...everyone is allowed to have a opinion...
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I agree that everyone is entitled to an opinion, as are those reading entitled to a reasoned response. as long as the opinions are non-inflammatory and backed by even tempered thought and precedent (such as jerry's initial posts on the folder) the discussion should continue as long as theres something to discuss.

If anything I've said comes off as caustic or out of line, please let me know and I'll own up to it and try to explain the point in a different manner.
 
Andy'sLeatherHouse said:
Your point is understood.....but remember......it is just a knife.....not some holy,mythical, powerful entity. Don't read into it more than what it is.... a knife
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definitely, the knife is cool and appears to make some advances in folder design, but in the end I probably wouldn't want to carry it. I'd definitely try to get ahold of one, but as long as I can have a fixed blade the folder side of cutlery takes a back seat.

it's more that this kind of thing, the long standing agreement to keep things like the soul knives,the folder, and a few others (some of whice I've accidentally brought to light and then regretted) out of the public eye provides a kind of of shared goal in the busse community. Even though the it's a loyalty to someone I've personally never met, it gives the feeling of being part of a community anyways.

disregarding it nonchalantly kinda makes that fall apart. While it is about the knives at it's core, I like being apart of those shared ethics.
 
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