A rising problem?

I blame the love affair with tactical knives....that and Militia.

People wouldnt be so concerned if everyone were carrying slipjoints.

Still, I live in a country where it is 'illegal' to carry, or be in possession of ANY type of knife in public...
Therefore, I think you all have little to complain about.
 
That is why we have everything to complain about, so we don't end up in your shoes.


Ozy said:
I blame the love affair with tactical knives....that and Militia.

People wouldnt be so concerned if everyone were carrying slipjoints.

Still, I live in a country where it is 'illegal' to carry, or be in possession of ANY type of knife in public...
Therefore, I think you all have little to complain about.
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It's all relative. I consider my knife to be a tool. If I need to defend myself and use the knife, I still think it's a tool, only it has now been used for a different function then before. If you could ask a cave man what his hunting spear was, he would probably consider it a tool, as would a native american with a war club, or even a marine with his rifle.
But if calling it a weapon gives you your jollies then more power to you.
 
SPHayes said:
It's everyhwere now, even in the Army. I have been told at times that I could not carry a sheath knife in the field. Many commands have rules concerning blade length for folding knives in garrison.
Patrick
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Wow, that's pretty amazing.
Any idea of the reasons for these restrictions?
 
Most people I know and interact with on a daily basis do not carry a knife on their person. I feel that they simply do not see the *utility* of a knife to justify its EDC. As for a "fear" of knives, perhaps some do, but I think most do not. Unless of course you are acting stupid with a knife, they are not toys and should not be treated as such.

I have had some limited success convincing some people to start carrying. Usually starts with me giving them a knife. Like a planted seed, it takes some time to germinate :o But after some time, some of them still carry and have used them to cut stuff! :p

Just keep fighting the good fight and keep being good cutlery advocates.
 
I would never ever use my knife or any of my knives as wepons, way too much clean up afterwards.
i use my KEYS,EYE GLASSES or INK PEN instead
 
whats the problem with a knife being viewed as a possible weapon? its not alarming, its exspected. i would be more worried about somebodys mental state who does not want to embrace reality reguardless of their feelings.
 
SPHayes said:
It's everyhwere now, even in the Army. I have been told at times that I could not carry a sheath knife in the field. Many commands have rules concerning blade length for folding knives in garrison.
Patrick
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It was the same when I was a soldier from 1986 to 1992.
 
If you could ask a cave man what his hunting spear was, he would probably consider it a tool, as would a native american with a war club, or even a marine with his rifle.
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I don't think so....

If you asked a Marine to show you his weapon he would probably show you his rifle or bayonet.
But if you asked him to show you his TOOL....:eek:

And it's called a "WAR CLUB" for a reason.....it's used to kill others in WAR.
It's not a tool to repair others.
 
If you think that's bad, I haven't even seen one person carrying a knife in the public here in Australia, it's pretty much absolutely anti-knives down under. If you carry any knife at all, you have to explain why you carry it to an LEO if you get caught with a knife on you. Hell my first choice of self defense weapon would be a maglite anyway.
 
I have been noticing lately that more and more people are considering knives as weapons even though the majority of them are designed to be used as tools.
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Not so hard to understand , considering the way the "tactical" stuff is marketed. And the constant referring by some to their knives as " zombie killers " , " zombie slayers " , etc.

Face it , if you want to change the image of something , you have to get a large group ( very large ) , on the same page and to portray their knives as tools.

Take for instance the Harley Davidson image , look at it 30 years ago , and look at it today. The image changed , the perception of Harley owners changed , but it took time and plenty of work. Marketing , and perception changed.

If you see someone open a knife casually , use it and put it away. Would you even bother to raise a brow ? What if someone whips out their uber-tact monster folder , does the " dramatic " SCHWACK ! opening , and then uses it ? Do you then look at that person a bit jaded ? (( I usually look at them and think " go ninja , go ninja " ;) ))

Same thing with a firearm , if I see someone waving it around like a light saber , trying to be Billy Baddass , that is someone I will keep an eye on ( from hard cover ). Again perception.

Can Joe Citizen's perception of knives be changed ?
Perhaps , but it starts with us.

The vibes you put out are what others pick up.
 
I constantly try to show people what knives really are. Most of them don't spend a single thought on kinves except that they are scared as hell when they see a knife that doesn't look like their butter knife. Most importantly a knife is a dead, unliving piece of metal+G10/FRN etc. which possesses no special powers to corrupt the user's mind against his will. In no freaking effing way it has those powers.:mad:
Nowadays you gotta admit that knives are perfect items to be afraid of, most people don't know anything bout them, and what you don't know, can scare you. Concerning knives: all you need is a paranoia like in the UK where "fighting" knives is more important than fighting al qaeda and all those bastards. Let's sacrifice some freedom in the name of the people's safety, protect them from the knives that are lurking round the neighborhood...oh wait a sec.. knives themselves can't do anything.

But I keep on trying to tell those around me some facts about knives and some even listen to me. Never give up...
 
A knife as a weapon is a LAST RESORT. knives are tools NOT weapons, you are more likely to hurt yourself than anything else. a knife designed for combat should be reserved for military an law enforcement ONLY. a knife as a tool is an acceptable reason to carry, a knife as a weapon unless you are law enforcement or military it makes near to no sense to carry a knife as solely a weapon, a knife to an untrained civilian is just as dangerous in their own hands as in their attackers.
 
allenC said:
In fact, some knives are expressly designed to be used as weapons....the same really can't be said of coffee mugs.
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Just because I haven't gotten around to swapping out the handle on my travel mug with a set of brass knuckles...

Instead of trying to convince folks that your knife is a tool instead of a weapon, you might want to try and convince them that you have the right to be armed for self defense purposes....
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Considering myself armed because I have a 2.5" folder buried somewhere in my pocket would be dangerously naive. I could probably do some damage with it if I really had to, but it certainly isn't plan A in any kind of confrontation.

45stops-em-quick said:
That pretty much sums it up, most people would say that a cell phone is a much more important item to carry in an emergency. With it they can call for help, etc. It's a fundamental change in attitudes that is definately not for the better.
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Forget about emergencies. Ever see someone try to slice a bagel or open one of those stupid blister packages with a cell phone? Two or three blunt stabs and they're begging you for help. It's embarrassing. The best way to handle an emergency is a matter of circumstance and opinion. A more frightening change in attitude is people not equipping themselves to handle the tasks of everyday life.
 
ColonelX said:
A knife as a weapon is a LAST RESORT. knives are tools NOT weapons, you are more likely to hurt yourself than anything else. a knife designed for combat should be reserved for military an law enforcement ONLY. a knife as a tool is an acceptable reason to carry, a knife as a weapon unless you are law enforcement or military it makes near to no sense to carry a knife as solely a weapon, a knife to an untrained civilian is just as dangerous in their own hands as in their attackers.
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People like this are the very reason our rights are endangered. Not just about knives.

BladefulArt said:
I am completely aware that most street attacks envolve knives
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Definitely a rising problem when someone complains about misconceptions about knives, then includes this BS in their post.

The problem isn't going away, and it isn't just that people won't act on their own behalf, but that they refuse to think for themselves. Most attacks may not involve knives, but ALL car wrecks involve cars. The reason you don't see an outcry against those killer vehicles is that the same people who would like to see "dangerous items"(oh, those deadly and evil inanimate objects that endanger us all) banned is that they have a need for those same items. In today's convenient society, where there's always someone else to save them from whatever happens to them on a day-to-day basis, they don't perceive a need for a gun, knife, etc. nor do they consider themselves intelligent enough to competently or safely use one...and naturally assume everyone else is just as stupid as they are, so of course these things are dangerous, and should be done away with.
It's a sad, sissified world we live in.
 
he who say said:
whats the problem with a knife being viewed as a possible weapon? its not alarming, its exspected. i would be more worried about somebodys mental state who does not want to embrace reality reguardless of their feelings.
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The problem with a knife being viewed that way is that people will think, "he carries that thing to kill people" instead of realizing that the vast majority of people carrying a knife every day carry it as a tool meant not to cause harm to others but instead to preform harmless cutting tasks like opening pakaging and sharpening pencils, and yes a knife can be used as a last ditch weapon, but then again so can just about anything else.
 
If that was true you wouldn't ever need anything more than a SAK...

Hell, you can kill a person with a kitchen knife just as quick as you can with a $1,000 custom Emerson.

Just ask any cop and they'll tell you the majority of homicides with knives are committed using regular old steak knives...

So what is your point exactly?

A knife is a tool that can be used to cut meat, or rope, or human flesh, depending on the circumstances...

The rest is marketing.
 
The weapon of choice for most psychos is the largest chefs knife in the rack,never fails,at least in the movies.;)
 
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