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...well 8000+ hard and soft flicks and that lock bar doesn't look bad...i REALLY want to know what kinds of actions can cause that kind of huge gouge on the bar...
 
...if indeed it was spine wacking; i don't get it...WHY? why do you deliberately spine wack your CR knife?

and then the gall to send such a specimen in for warranty service due to mysterious lock play from "normal" use. REALLY? do you really think you can get one over? and because you didn't Customer Service now sucks, right?

idiots. fools.
 
Now I'm really interested in seeing the next video. I can just imagine the cute little ninjas chucking their sebenzas like shuriken to damage their lockbars like that.
 
Why ? because anybody with youtube account is a knife expert these days.....they are also experts at regurgitating what they heard else where while really knowing nothing them selves. That is why people spine whack the bojangles out of a knife thinking they are somehow proving something. Some of the things I hear people say and see people do are just off the numptisity charts.

pilote said:
...if indeed it was spine wacking; i don't get it...WHY? why do you deliberately spine wack your CR knife?

and then the gall to send such a specimen in for warranty service due to mysterious lock play from "normal" use. REALLY? do you really think you can get one over? and because you didn't Customer Service now sucks, right?

idiots. fools.
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Chris Reeve Knives said:
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Examples of locks that are typical where the customer complains of blade play.


What is causing this excessive wear?
We will show you on our next installment.
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Now that's obvious deformation of the lock face, that's definitely cause by abuse no question (wonder what you guys had to do to get that result:eek:)

But what about a flake on the heat treat of the lock face? Isn't it possible with only normal opening and closing that this could occur (whether over a long period of time with lots of use, or a relatively short period of time due to some abnormality in the Ti or heat treat)?


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Lol, I can see how flicking the ever living hell out of it like in the video above can cause damage...
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+1, those were some strong wrist snaps IMO, not flicks.

-sh00ter
 
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RetiredGuns said:
Simple math. Do you want your knife rock solid for 2 years or 20 years? Sure, flicking can be fun but cutting is task.
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I love this and I feel the exact same way. They're tools, not toys, and should be respected and cared for as such.

Right now, I'm wondering if they felt any vertical blade play in the knife that was wrist-flicked 8,000 times. I also can't wait to read what caused the more-damaged lock faces.

This is a great thread and I appreciate CRK sharing this information. I love my CRK's and look forward to years of use and collecting more.:loyal:
 
Can-I-stick-my-Sebenza-in-a-tree-and-jump-on-the-handle-type of discussions always seem to start after some id..t posts a You-Tube clip or starts a thread showing damage and feigning ignorance as to the cause.:mad: I marvel a the audacity of someone obviously abusing a knife and then sending it in claiming "normal usage".:barf:

This thread should reassure everyone. It seems my Sebenzas will last a few hundred years, provided my children, grand-children, their children and their children continue to open them the way I do: Normally without shadow-fighting a Ninja or something.:p You'd think by now after more than 20 years of proof in the field that everyone should know that the Sebenza is one hell of a tough knife, but it's nice to know that even abusing a knife by flicking it open 8000 times only causes discrete damage. Having said that I'd like to know whether the stop sleeve and pin where damaged at all after all of that abuse?

I owned a few Umnumzaans, but currently own none and am back to Sebenzas when I started asking myself why I could possibly need the added strength of the pivot or the o-rings to allow rapid opening. I think they were a response to a non-existing problem: The Sebenza is an incredibly strong knife which will never fail during anything approaching normal usage. I still like the Umnumzaan a lot too, but currently prefer the Regular Sebenzas.

Keep producing the great Sebenzas and please consider bringing back the Plain Regular!
 
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I love how he just assumes that's how I opened my sebenza. He must mistake me for a completely ignorant person.The way he opens it first in the video is the closest to how I opened mine. I dont see how anyone would open a knife like that and not expect lock damage. I do not expect the knife to work properly after wrist flicks but it should work fine after edc.

Also, in the results/pictures you can obviously see lock deformation cause by force. My lock looks nothing like that, There was merely a little flaking occuring.

I have provided a picture of my locks face. Notice only flaking of the heat treatment not the lock face deformation. Proof no spine whacks occured and no abused occured. Also, the knife in the video was forcefully flicked 8000+ times and there wasnt any real noticeable damage so what proof is this?

They didnt even do a video showing how they deformed the lock that bad. Convient isnt it? Im assuming to deform the lock that bad they had to spine whack the hell out of it and or baton with the knife, which I did neither of to mine.

Overall nothing I say is going to change Mr. Reeves opinion on the situation or change how I look in the minds of all of the spectators. All I have to say is when it happens to you, you will understand. I used to do nothing but praise his knives and completely neglect every other company, but that has since changed.

Good luck in your buisness practices Mr. Reeve and good luck to everyone using there CRK knife.


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wolf5391 said:
I love how he just assumes that's how I opened my sebenza. He must mistake me for a completely ignorant person.The way he opens it first in the video is the closest to how I opened mine. I dont see how anyone would open a knife like that and not expect lock damage. I do not expect the knife to work properly after wrist flicks but it should work fine after edc.

Also, in the results/pictures you can obviously see lock deformation cause by force. My lock looks nothing like that, There was merely a little flaking occuring.

I have provided a picture of my locks face. Notice only flaking of the heat treatment not the lock face deformation. Proof no spine whacks occured and no abused occured. Also, the knife in the video was forcefully flicked 8000+ times and there wasnt any real noticeable damage so what proof is this?

They didnt even do a video showing how they deformed the lock that bad. Convient isnt it? Im assuming to deform the lock that bad they had to spine whack the hell out of it and or baton with the knife, which I did neither of to mine.

Overall nothing I say is going to change Mr. Reeves opinion on the situation or change how I look in the minds of all of the spectators. All I have to say is when it happens to you, you will understand. I used to do nothing but praise his knives and completely neglect every other company, but that has since changed.

Good luck in your buisness practices Mr. Reeve and good luck to everyone using there CRK knife.


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I'm a neutral observer here; I currently do not and never have owned CRK knives.

You missed the entire point of the first video and the fact that it specifically said another video will follow showing what creates the type of lock deformation shown in the pictures he included.

By flicking too hard, he wasn't implying that you did that, he was showing that even in spite of flicking hard with wrist action 8000 times, the lock holds up and doesn't get damaged. Thus, the implication is that the damage to the lock-bar face as seen in the photos he showed could not have simply been created by flicking open the knife too hard; those knives had to have been subjected to some other kind of stress. And that is what he said he will show in his next video.
 
I have asked this question for years. I dont care what brand knife you own. If you are in a survival situation and your life depends on it, then anything goes. These deliberate torture (abuse) test by consumers that are paying real money for their knife is insane. Now I am going to go out and see how many cinder blocks I can fit in my Porsche 911.....:D

pilote said:
...if indeed it was spine wacking; i don't get it...WHY? why do you deliberately spine wack your CR knife?
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I don't know any real knife enthusiast (over age 12) who slam their knives open that hard.
Nor do I know anyone who would spine wack a sebenza hard enough to damage the lockface.
 
I'm pretty amazed it looks as good as it does after the 8000 openings. I've always been worried about opening mine too much. It eases my mind to see that. Thanks for the report


5.56 said:
Spine-whacks, no doubt
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One of mine looks like that :(, the only one I bought brand new, about 6 months after I got the Small Insingo from you because I love that knife :D. No spine whacks, only a flick after cleaning a couple times with no wrist. It came so difficult to open it was actually opened two handed most of the time (the detent is still very strong, much harder than any of my other CRKs). Mr. Reeve said it had to have been opened 20,000 times or more, so that would be my guess.
 
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someone has their panties in a bunch... move on.. "vote with your dollar" and so will others..

all I can say is after 25yrs of knife making, a few customers are obviously going to have issues.. be it a "bad" knife or a "bad" knife user.. it happens.. don't spend $400-600 and up on a knife if you are afraid of it getting broken. WHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT ;]
 
for the most part, i have to close my zaan with 2 hands because that lock bar is stiff; BIG DEAL...but, some just gotta close it one handed no matter what, which means bending that Ti lock bar; hence the LBS...which is still ok by me...though clearly not so good for the many who stress looks upon everything else LOLOLOL...

only one thing matters to me (with ANY folder); DON'T EVER CLOSE ON MY HAND WHEN USING.
 
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