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What you say above is true, but are we all just forgetting that CRK themselves have stated numerous times that flicking the knives causes damage?
Are we really forgetting that fact, or just ignoring it?
NeoClassic
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Neither forgetting nor ignoring. I don't follow CRK all that closely, so I wasn't aware of that claim.
EDIT: But I have to admit, this whole issue has piqued my interest more than usual.
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+1 Only flick to reset framelock position after reassembly?
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Oh I wasn't referring to you directly.
I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just genuinely curious as to what everyone thinks about that. CRK use to cite flicking as the catch-all cause for lock damage, and now they say that flicking doesn't in fact cause damage? Which is it?
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Oh I wasn't referring to you directly.
I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just genuinely curious as to what everyone thinks about that. CRK use to cite flicking as the catch-all cause for lock damage, and now they say that flicking doesn't in fact cause damage? Which is it?
He's saying neither I believe. From what I understand CRK is just making a point that even with 8k abusive wrist flicks you still get nowhere near the damage that some knives show up at CRK for warranty and they just want to set the record straight for how much ridiculous abuse those knives must of gone through to show up in such a sorry state.
That's what I'm thinking, are CRK owners "allowed" to flick their knives now or what?
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Ok, I'll accept that.
BUT, it still doesn't answer my question. What is CRK's stance on flicking? If you've hung around this forum much then you know the issue has popped up ad nauseum, and it always ended with people parroting what CRK said on the matter, which is that flicking causes damage and is considered abuse.
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Gotcha, I would like to have that clarified by the man himself as well
Wanna share my popcorn? Haha
It looks clear enough to me that their latest testing has shown that even aggressive flicking does not damage the lock-face.
Seem's to me like CRK's is re-evaluating the situation.
Big Mike
I don't know, I'm not sure what point CRK is trying to convey in there post. In the pics of the deformed lock face it obvious that the knife has been abused (and I'm sure it shows sign of abuse elsewhere as well); these knife obviously shouldn't be repaired on Chris's dime.
BUT, forget about the deformed lock faces for a minute. People have posted pics of lock faces where the heat treat has flaked, no deformation, just a flake, and CR says that they abused the knife by flicking. Their pic is of a knife then been supposedly wrist snapped open 8,000 times, and show only minimal wear and no flaking. So if the knife can handle so much flicking 'abuse' without any real ill effect why are people having issues? And why is CR so quick to call abuse and refuse work/parts for repair? Sounds to me like a couple lemons are getting through from time to time and rather then handle these issues, CRK customer service is souring users to the point of starting threads that turn into fanboys vs. bitter customers (and the post are far from unbiased:thumbdn
.Hopefully the next installment will shed some more light on the topic.
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I would think that:
The flicking still can do damage to the knife, think about the stop pin and the part of the blade that comes into contact with the stop pin, over time excessive flicking could make a flat spot on the round stop pin or crack the blade where it comes into contact with the stop pin.
A flat spot on the stop pin could throw the lockup off, out of spec, and make it unsafe or cause other premature wear/damage.
You take any hardened steel and hammer on it and eventually it will chip or crack in some form or another.
Why do you insist that you have to or need to wrist flick your knife open?
Do you open your house door as fast as you can and push it so it over extends and puts unneeded stress on the hinges?
The flicking still can do damage to the knife, think about the stop pin and the part of the blade that comes into contact with the stop pin, over time excessive flicking could make a flat spot on the round stop pin or crack the blade where it comes into contact with the stop pin.
A flat spot on the stop pin could throw the lockup off, out of spec, and make it unsafe or cause other premature wear/damage.
You take any hardened steel and hammer on it and eventually it will chip or crack in some form or another.
Why do you insist that you have to or need to wrist flick your knife open?
Do you open your house door as fast as you can and push it so it over extends and puts unneeded stress on the hinges?
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Being a new owner, I'm afraid with spending this much on a blade, that if my lock-bar has the same thing happen to it,(flaking) I will suffer the same fate. That worries me we will all get roped into the same abuse category.
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The term "flicking" is confusing because there is no set definition for it. By looking at the video Mr. Reeve linked to his definition of "flicking" is a hard wrist flick. So when CRK says don't flick your knives
because it will cause damage iit s very true in that case. It will most definitely cause some sort of deformation when opened repeatedly in that fashion. When I "flick" my knife open its just a light "thumb flick."And I have done this repeatedly over the life of my Sebenza with no damage done. Everyone needs to quit making a bigger deal than this is all made out to be. The whole Sebenzas must be weak because CRK says not to flick them.... der.
because it will cause damage iit s very true in that case. It will most definitely cause some sort of deformation when opened repeatedly in that fashion. When I "flick" my knife open its just a light "thumb flick."And I have done this repeatedly over the life of my Sebenza with no damage done. Everyone needs to quit making a bigger deal than this is all made out to be. The whole Sebenzas must be weak because CRK says not to flick them.... der.
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23 years of Sebenzas, and 2 or 3 internet accounts are going to worry you that much?
Use it man.
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I love how he just assumes that's how I opened my sebenza. He must mistake me for a completely ignorant person.The way he opens it first in the video is the closest to how I opened mine. I dont see how anyone would open a knife like that and not expect lock damage. I do not expect the knife to work properly after wrist flicks but it should work fine after edc.
Also, in the results/pictures you can obviously see lock deformation cause by force. My lock looks nothing like that, There was merely a little flaking occuring.
I have provided a picture of my locks face. Notice only flaking of the heat treatment not the lock face deformation. Proof no spine whacks occured and no abused occured. Also, the knife in the video was forcefully flicked 8000+ times and there wasnt any real noticeable damage so what proof is this?
They didnt even do a video showing how they deformed the lock that bad. Convient isnt it? Im assuming to deform the lock that bad they had to spine whack the hell out of it and or baton with the knife, which I did neither of to mine.
Overall nothing I say is going to change Mr. Reeves opinion on the situation or change how I look in the minds of all of the spectators. All I have to say is when it happens to you, you will understand. I used to do nothing but praise his knives and completely neglect every other company, but that has since changed.
Good luck in your buisness practices Mr. Reeve and good luck to everyone using there CRK knife.
Could you blur up that picture a little bit more? I can still see a shiny patch where I think your lockbar is.
...exactly LOL
the zaan will go off spec when i begin using it in earnest...it will get dirty...it will lose its luster...it will be scratched...it will be dropped...i don't plan on taking it apart unless absolutely necessary...i'm not going to spend money on a spa treatment...i'm not going to flick it while i'm watching jeremiah johnson LOL...i'm just going to use it.
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aren't you the same one who said you bought your sebenza used?
I love how he just assumes that's how I opened my sebenza. He must mistake me for a completely ignorant person.The way he opens it first in the video is the closest to how I opened mine. I dont see how anyone would open a knife like that and not expect lock damage. I do not expect the knife to work properly after wrist flicks but it should work fine after edc.
Also, in the results/pictures you can obviously see lock deformation cause by force. My lock looks nothing like that, There was merely a little flaking occuring.
I have provided a picture of my locks face. Notice only flaking of the heat treatment not the lock face deformation. Proof no spine whacks occured and no abused occured. Also, the knife in the video was forcefully flicked 8000+ times and there wasnt any real noticeable damage so what proof is this?
They didnt even do a video showing how they deformed the lock that bad. Convient isnt it? Im assuming to deform the lock that bad they had to spine whack the hell out of it and or baton with the knife, which I did neither of to mine.
Overall nothing I say is going to change Mr. Reeves opinion on the situation or change how I look in the minds of all of the spectators. All I have to say is when it happens to you, you will understand. I used to do nothing but praise his knives and completely neglect every other company, but that has since changed.
Good luck in your buisness practices Mr. Reeve and good luck to everyone using there CRK knife.
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