A Spyderco Pikal?

I WOULD like to test this proto for strength, but I dont really see it as an issue myself.. I mean Strider has for a LONG time, and now Emerson is making folders with one side G-10 and the other side Ti. to me if you make one side out of G-10 its the same if you make both sides out of it as far as strength.
That and knowing how tough G-10 IS makes me feel Okay either way.
I think the perception of the buyer is important as far as feeling more confident in the construction, BUT it may not be warranted especially if in-hand performance is sacrificed at all.. Just my thoughts, but if I get the go ahead I will test that thing till it breaks, and report back for any that are on the fence about liners..


Take Care
Trace
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Joe to answer your question no...I haven't done any hard torqueing with either the first or second proto. Not my property! ;)

I have done some pretty heavy shearing and thrusting through about three inches of heavy shipping cardboard and haven't had any problems. Not really a strength test, just checking out how the point indexes and seeing if there's any movement from the handle when shearing back. On that note I think the width and angle/contouring on this handle are perfect and are some of the best ergos I've seen in any folder.

But no real torque.
 
Mr. Talmadge, I confess to some degree of faith in this project and its prime movers. My experience with the Shivworks Clinch-Pick and the corresponding DVD leads me to a faith that is not exactly blind, but more myopic. I am humbled by your own experience in knives and their construction, so I await your judgement on this blade as well.
 
Testing a hand made prototype until it breaks doesn't serve.

It's the engineered pilot run that we test and break.

Also try to keep in mind that all G-10 is not the same. G-10 can vary in its properties as much as steel. To think that one G-10 is the same as another is to think that one steel is the same as another. Spyderco pays a premium for G-10 that has 30% more glass than normal. We do this to compensate for nested liners.

sal
 
Sal,

Could slightly thicker G-10 compensate for liners? I mean, the Dodo is linerless and a ball lock, but this model doesn't have to have as thin as G-10. Just a thought.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Testing a hand made prototype until it breaks doesn't serve.
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I know! I figured there wasn't any stress testing yet ... I do think that with G-10, you'll be able to pull off a sound linerless version, I'll be most comfortable when I hear Trace and Southnarc say they've cranked it good.
 
Hi Blade man. G-10, while a good material will not replace steel for strength. In fact, IMO, there is nothing that will replace steel for strength. Using other materials in place of steel is usually to save weight. Then the classificiation emerges "strength per weight". XYZ is stronger than steel by weight, etc.

That's because the thing is going to "move". When things "move", it takes energy to move them. Less weight means less energy. Steel and concrete is rarely questioned when building high rise buildings, but they don't "move".

I think we can use a .040 steel liner, skeletonized, reduce the thickness of the G-10 and come out with a very nice piece. It will probably be more expensive than many would care for, especially when paired with the trainer.

Materials + labor + overhead = cost. Better materials + close tolerance labor + overhead = higher cost. Also, there will hopefully be some profit in there as well.

Doing it "right" rather than doing it "for the price" in reality makes a big difference.

We will make a good product at a fair price. We will make it in the USA with USA parts and USA labor.

sal
 
What Mr. Glesser wrote sounds very good to me. Personally I'm prepared to invest more dollars in something that my life could possibly depend on.

On a side note, it's interesting that many people think that titanium (or more correctly, some titanium alloys) is actually stronger than steel. The misconception comes from the higher strength to weight ratio that titanium has.
 
Sal,

I didn't mean that thicker G-10 would replace the liners, but that maybe a bit of a compromise could be achieved. I'll default to your superior experience, however. I suppose I'll have to buy one however you make it. :D
 
Personally, I could care less whether it has liners or no liners. Proto 1 felt solid as could be, albeit a little thick in my hand. I haven't ff'd Proto 2, but fast is good, particularly given the nature of deployment into tip-down/edge-in.

Regardless of the final product, I know that Sal and Sypderco will bring a kickass knife to the market and I'll get my hands on the first one I can. :cool:
 
Gomez said:
Personally, I could care less whether it has liners or no liners. Proto 1 felt solid as could be, albeit a little thick in my hand. I haven't ff'd Proto 2, but fast is good, particularly given the nature of deployment into tip-down/edge-in.

Regardless of the final product, I know that Sal and Sypderco will bring a kickass knife to the market and I'll get my hands on the first one I can. :cool:
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Who are you again?? :p ;)
 
Sal Glesser said:
I can tell you the blade is S30V, about 3.25" long. G-10 handles, no liners. We're using a highly modified ball bearing lock, low profile, very good action.

Once Snarc gives us his approval, we'll engineer the model for production.
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Love it - want one... I know, patience patience!!! Sucks knowing about things like this at their inception - means you know how long things really take... and this is accelerated!! Keep up the great work, never mind my impatient gabberings!!!

Cheers,
Nathan.
 
Just stumbled onto the thread.

God, I love Spyderco. :) I'll have to get one of these knives, even though I don't use this fighting style.

"Draw" can equal "tie", so I think I like Reverse Rescue better.

John Shirley
 
I handled the proto over the weekend, here in Amsterdam. Very impressive knife, very easy to adapt to, even if it is a 'backwards' knife. Sal's mini opening and application demo, illustrated the design of the knife very well. I will get one for sure.

Wouter
 
I'm still amazed at how fast this project came together.

Now if only we could get a passaround going... ;) :D
 
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