A Spyderco Pikal?

But, Joe, anyone who has handled it at a show has also been asked by Sal not to describe it, at least in a public forum. You wouldn't want anyone to break a promise to Sal, would you?

We went through this for a long time while the Spyderfly was being developed. Lots of people (including me) saw and flipped the prototype, but the deal was always no pics and no description. I was kinda proud that no one let the cat out of the bag before it was officially released.

Jim
 
I realized Sal had a "no photos of protos" policy, but didn't realize he'd asked people not to even describe them. Whatever Sal says, goes. Luckily, everyone ignores me anyway.

Joe
 
Hi Joe, Sorry 'bout the no photos policy. Once the model is further along, we'll share.

We changed the lock from the first model. Trace approved of the model at the SHOT show. The piece now goes off to Snarc for his approval.

I can tell you the blade is S30V, about 3.25" long. G-10 handles, no liners. We're using a highly modified ball bearing lock, low profile, very good action.

Once Snarc gives us his approval, we'll engineer the model for production.

sal
 
Sal,

I am sure you understand that there are a lot of people who love the things you do with steel.

I for one, have been tracking this ever since you first mentioned interest in making a pikal specific folder over on the other forum.

Long post short, I have faith that you will knock this out of the park. But it is the wait that is killing me!

I will apologize for my impatience, and for asking for something that I knew full well you could not, for good reason, allow to happen.

Now, that said. Please, please, please, have this ready by June, so I can buy myself a kick-a** blade and trainer for my birthday. Please ;)
 
Sal Glesser said:
I can tell you the blade is S30V, about 3.25" long. G-10 handles, no liners. We're using a highly modified ball bearing lock, low profile, very good action.

Once Snarc gives us his approval, we'll engineer the model for production.

sal
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Thanks for the update. I'm gonna get at least one live and two trainers.
 
Thanks for the update, Mr. Glesser!

Are you still able to get MBC level lock strength with linerless G-10? How resistant is linerless G-10 to bending sideways?
 
Hi Glasgow_kiss.

The lock now beng used is a modified ball bearing lock. The ball is held under compression between the "roof" of the knife handle and the tang of the blade. The nature of the design leaves very litle room for a lock.

I don't think we'll get Very Heavy Duty (MBC) out of the lock without the liners. We do get VHD (MBC) fro our Dodo without liners, but it's a short blade. I do believe we'll be high into the Heavy Duty (HD), which for the intended design (Reverse-edge-in, forward-edge-up) will be acceptable. Most of the force is against the stop-pin.

If the market demands, we can add liners, but it will make the model .080 - .100 thicker as well as heavier, even if we skeletonize the liners. Thus far, we believe we have the best combination. Our attitude towards products has always been, "no more than necessary, and no less than perfect".

sal
 
Thanks for the answers, Mr. Glesser.

Personally I would have preferred steel liners, the extra weight would probably be beneficiary for a knife designed for the pakal methodology by making the handle heaver in proportion to the blade. This makes the blade feel fast in the hand. I also prefer even folders to have some thickness to them for comfort during use.

In any case I understand that going linerless would be very much in accordance to Spyderco's philosophy.

Big props to those involved for going forward with this cutting edge project! (No pun intended.)
 
Can't belive i missed this thread. Great stuff from everyone. Can't wait to see the Pikal, Sal. So what's the name going to be? SouthNarc any suggestions? I'd like to see something traditional, but no idea what. Any chance of seeing the proto at the Blade show? Sound like it will be a winner!
 
I personally would love to see it with full steel liners. Even if it makes it a tad thicker, the extra strength would be worth it. I'm a big fan of stuff that's built to last. Yes, I'd pay extra to have it with dual steel liners.
 
Saberman said:
Can't belive i missed this thread. Great stuff from everyone. Can't wait to see the Pikal, Sal. So what's the name going to be?
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Saberman, yes the name has already been decided. It will be the "Pickle". Larger sized (the "Kosher Dill") and smaller sized (the mini gherkin) models are already planned.

Joe

:) Just recycling old jokes, don't mind me :) They haven't told us the name yet.
 
Joe Talmadge said:
Saberman, yes the name has already been decided. It will be the "Pickle". Larger sized (the "Kosher Dill") and smaller sized (the mini gherkin) models are already planned.
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You forgot to mention they will be made out of dark green G-10. ;)






j/k ... but I'd take one in dark green G-10 in a heartbeat. :D
 
With the current lock set-up, no liner is required.

With no liner, it's lighter, faster and thinner.

With a liner, it's stronger, thicker.

to liner or not to liner? That is the question?

sal
 
"Not" is fine with me in this case. If the designers felt like it didn't need them, I'm not gonna argue.

My Dodos have always felt rock solid, so if it's anything like that, it probably won't need the extra weight. :)

The truth is: I'll buy it either way.
 
Hmmm, there will be a lot of criticism if there's no liner, even if mechanically the thing is perfectly sound. That's my only concern, I want this knife to be a success. For me, provided you really robustness-tested it and it holds up, with a knife this small I'd be fine with no liner. If the kosher dill ever comes out, that would be big enough that I'd prefer liners regardless.

Joe
 
Sal,
I would go linerless. I have every intention of getting one, and modifiying the tip so that I can use it for a rescue knife. Most rescue knives have the handle on "upside down" since you are usually cutting clothing/rope/webbing off someone with the edge away from their body. The new Pikal should be a great set-up for cutting with that orientation.

I love the linerless construction of the Dodo and think it would be fine for the Pikal.

Thom
 
Guys I've looked at both protos, one with and one without liners. The one with definitely feels more robust and beefy, but the one without moves noticeably quicker.

I think we'd like some input from everyone here.
 
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