A Survival Knife Should Be Able To........

A Survival Knife Should Be Able To........
Be with me at all times

That's down to you buddy !

That's what always gets me when people say a survival knife is the one ya have on you.....surely we are all prepared enough to make sure we are never in a situation with only a cheap piece of junk that was made in China !
 
I think we all survive in some way from day to day...the comfort thereof depends on the level of civilization we ve reached...

it would be most helpful to have a knife in the usefulness range...(like a soldier/farmer)..to survive
doesnt have to be a busse though...a chinese knife wud do...and why shudnt it?
why you think you wud need to baton interests me...dont we like "shave it fine"?

In any case, i wud much rather have my soldier with me (and im more likely to) than my buck nighthawk...)

So, to cut my story short....

my survival knife gives me an edge (pun intended)
 
Yeah, I'm not sure what got that started but there is NO WAY I'm tying my one knife onto the end of a stick and sticking it into anything. D@mn good way to lose or break a knife. Just sharpen the stick........

I could see lashing your knife to the end of a stick being useful for retrieving fruit in trees higher than you can reach, and stuff like that.

I wouldn't be sticking it into anything either, but I do think there is some merit to the idea.
 
I agree 100 percent with those who say that the most important feature is that you can take it with you regardless of dress, 24/7. You will hardly ever get a chance to plan a real survival situation.
 
A Survival Knife Should Be Able To........
Be with me at all times

I know this type of comment comes across as smarta$$ like, but I often find the sheath overlooked as part of the system. If you can't comfortably carry your "survival knife", it most likely won't be with you when you need it.

Now, I do like large blades, and if I was to get thrown out somewhere with only one blade it would be a large chopper or axe depending on the latitude. However, carrying a large chopper isn't always easy, comfortable or practical and mine usually gets tossed in the pack if not immediately using it. There are some good systems, but it really depends on the individual and the type of activies they most often do. For me, a belt-knife would be my primary "survival" knife as it's always attached to my pants-belt.

So, my comment is that A Survival Knife Should Be Able To....be carried comfortably in a quality sheath which is secure, easy to access (and return) and even have a few critical items such as a sharpener and firesteel; maybe even a smaller accessory blade:

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Another aspect is that I really dislike the single knife concept. So A Survival Knife Should Be Able To include complementary tools such as a decent SAK/Multitool, Axe or Machete and a folding saw:D

ROCK6
 
Survival is just a an adjective put into a situation...where the possibility can become reality. In a survival situation, automatically everything you curry becomes survival gear. "something not so easy to take place"
The knowledge of what you gear can do, still a epic unknown. But There is another topic, epic of what people "using adjective like SURVIVAL" need to sell you to.



This is my knife, definitively not my survival knife....:yawn:
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I like the poster that said 'cut stuff and not break'. In addition, I'd add that it needs to help me fend off marauding sasquatches known to prowl the woods after it gets dark and scary. :D
 
It also has to be legal to carrry 24/7, anywhere that you could be when the SHTF. There in lies the problem with big knives in Many places.:grumpy:
 
It also has to be legal to carrry 24/7, anywhere that you could be when the SHTF. There in lies the problem with big knives in Many places.:grumpy:

If SHTF do you really think law enforcement is going to be worried about the knife shoved in your pack? If they aren't running for the hills themselves, I'm pretty sure they will have much more important things to worry about than the cutting tools you aren't hacking peoples' limbs off with.
 
Of course not :rolleyes:, However if you are in the Mall or walking out to the mail box which is 50 feet away when the shtf are you gonna be packing a 12 inch blade knife along? If you are just down town with a big knife, in many places, your SHTF will be when a rambo cop runs you in and takes it away from you. I was talking about a knife that will never raise an eye brow that will still get the job done, which takes practice with your EDC and a litle common sense.:yawn:
 
So, my comment is that A Survival Knife Should Be Able To....be carried comfortably in a quality sheath which is secure, easy to access (and return) and even have a few critical items such as a sharpener and firesteel; maybe even a smaller accessory blade:




ROCK6


That's a cool set up, I like it. What's that black Marbles thing though?
 
Guys, I have to disagree. While I shudder at the idea of some tenderfoot lashing his knife on a staff and hurling it through the air, I can see legitimate uses. What if you have treed a furry bundle of meat and teeth? Being able to stab further than arm's length could be important. Certainly, protecting your "one knife" in dire circumstances is critical, but I wouldn't rule this out completely.

Respectfully (to mistwalker and Mick), I have to agree with Pritch. I believe there is a time when lashing your knife to a staff is a valid technique, and that is when you have trapped something, that's still alive and it's too big to get up close and personal with, to kill it.

I once asked BF member Coote who has done a considerable amount of trapping (brushy tailed possums and wild pigs) what he thought, and IIRC he has used his knife for that purpose. If it is a well made knife, I don't know how you're going to break it, and because the animal is restrained, it's not going to run off with it.

So I guess my question is, who has sharpened a stick and used that as a weapon to kill medium to large game? I don't think it would work as well as people suggest.

Doc
 
That's a cool set up, I like it. What's that black Marbles thing though?

It's the sheath to a Marbles Bird & Trout knife. It fit pefectly and the "eye" of thte B&T is secured by the snap which holds the sharpener as well.

ROCK6
 
Well,I would probably say that my 18" WWII khukuri from HI Imports. It can certainly chop and split wood,build a shelter,shovel if need be,and even do reasonably fine work. It is big and heavy though.

My Fallkniven F1 is a good compromise blade,it can do it all,or make the tools to do it all. It is big enough that wearing it openly might draw the attention of a thug with a badge who wants it for his own collection.

So,that leaves a small fixed blade,sturdy enough to muddle through most of the survival tasks. Probably a Becker necker,an Izula ,or similar custom. A folding knife,in general, lacks the strength for some tasks. For poor folks like me looking at a non-custom we have to choose between the Becker and the Izula.:o
 
Thought it might be interesting to hear what your expectations are of a survival knife.
This may bring up some tasks that could be encountered that others have not thought about !

Pitdog,

I would start by defining what I believe a survival knife is. Effectively, any knife which allows you some modicum of comfort or efficiency is a "survival knife" but I'll assume for now the definition is a jack of all trades, general purpose knife. Where you live may have much to do with what such a knife implies.

On the one hand you may be planning for being alone in the near-by wilderness reasonably close to home and have suitable equipment along with the knife sufficient for some reasonable period of time. On the other hand you may be preparing for some safari, hunting trip or vacation in totally different terrain and perhaps are planning for the unlikely event that that trip of a lifetime goes horrible awry.

Whether the plan is to stay in the wilderness (on purpose) for some protracted period of time, or finding oneself in the wilderness quite accidentally and as temporarily as possible will demand different attributes. I'd analyze the following before deciding which knife (assuming hypothetical situation of being forced to choose only ONE such implement):

Terrain and vegetation - the best choice for thick jungle is not ideal for the desert, though any knife is better than none. From vegetation and terrain, I would determine other attributes I'd need of my equipment.

* Weight, balance and length - generally a lesser concern if you have several knives and select the most appropriate one for the task, this can be a major issue if you can only choose one. Fatigue from using a knife that is too heavy and/or too long for the task, or too short and light have the same effect on your stamina and ultimately morale.

* blade geometry and edge - a highly curved blade tends to be very specialized (the Khukuri being an exception) and therefore probably not suitable for general purpose use. A blade with a reasonably sharp point for boring holes and piercing, a good belly for slicing and an easy way to grab the blade for more delicate work (especially important for long blades) are very useful. A plain edge is more general purpose than a serrated one and considerably easier to sharpen in the field with limited access to abrasives.

* Edge retention/ease of re-sharpening - Very hard blades with great edge retention tend to make awful last-ditch general purpose field knives. If it is difficult to resharpen, it is probably unsuitable for general purpose use. It is preferable to have a softer, tougher blade and edge that is more easily sharpened.

* Materials and construction - In almost every case, I'd choose a simple medium to high carbon steel, or a relatively simple alloy steel that is very well tempered and annealed. The one exception is if I planned on being on a tropical island, but having lived on the coast I can say most of the corrosion is on the surface, is a black oxide instead of a red rust under most circumstances and easily removed. Surface coatings can help but invariably wear off with hard use. Cleaning the blade and avoiding sheathing the knife in a wet sheath (or one which tends to sop up moisture, i.e most leather sheaths) does much to make this practical. A full tang blade construction, epoxied and riveted, makes for a strong union between grip and the blade's tang. Guards look cool but tend to get in the way, finger grooves are less useful if you hold the knife in a different grip then intended as can happen with a general purpose knife used in novel ways. A haft that is well textured and devoid of the slick, smooth, waxed look that makes for great glamour shots in knife magazines is unsuitable for the sort of life or death utility this role requires.

How long you plan to be out there will also have some affect on what you'd be packing for. I wouldn't take only a single knife, or a single change of clothes for that matter if I had any choice in the matter.

For example, In dense woody, vine tangled jungles with tall, thick grasses, I'd opt for a large, long bladed but fairly light knife. The various Goloks and Barongs, some of which supply a fairly serviceable point, are among the best. The main task here, other than finding a road or a river to follow to get out of there, is shelter building for heavy rains, collecting wood and making tinder out of whatever dry material you can find.

If I were in dry, open terrain with harder woods and nothing to hack out of my way, I might opt for a medium length knife with a blade in the 10" range or I might even opt for an axe instead of a large knife. Small tasks can be handled fairly well with a sharp hatchet or small axe, the biggest task being to shelter from the sun, mashing cactus and edible succulents for food and water content and stripping off and breaking up enough plant material to insulate from the ground and provide a wood supply for keeping warm at night when the desert temperatures plummet. Most little critters you trap or hunt only need a few slits to peel their skins off, hatchet or knife work equally well here.

In mountainous terrain, you'd want to get down to the treeline for any useful resource to sustain yourself. In some cases, there are fewer variations in species within a given location until you go further down in elevation. If you have to make due with downed mature trees to overnight, you'll really want an axe or a very large, heavy knife to limb the large branches and leave the trunk alone after stripping off any useful bark. Insulating from the cold and wind, avoiding losing heat to the ground by creating a palette or raised platform, a small, body sized shelter, a truck sized stack of wood for keeping a fire going during the night.

There are many, many variations on the theme, but even "general purpose" should be adapted to where you are or are expecting to be if you somehow manage to have only that one tool left among all your worldly possessions.

Good luck,

-E
 
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"Never mess with the guy who only carries one gun."

Same for knives, whatever you carry, know how to use it and carry it everywhere.

Backup blades, sure, heck even a $.50 paring knife after being sharpened is more useful than nothing, weigh next to nothing, and take up about as much space as two cigarettes.

A regular paring knife, full tang, $7, not a super steel or very cool, but strong enough for most tasks, a few ounces in a cheap cardboard and tape sheath, heck thin bladed too, less metal removal for sharpening.

They come stainless, so rust isn't an issue.

I carry a knife every day almost every waking hour, whatever I'm carrying is going to beat having nothing, that's what matters.
 
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