A Tinder Discussion (And A Slight Rant...)

Mistwalker

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I was reading through a thread on tinders ignitable with a ferro rod the other day that set me to thinking. I may be mistaken, wouldn't be the first time of course and being a writer I know how hard it is to put inflections into text, but it did seem to me that the author exhibited some thinly veiled disdain regarding the use of fatwood and the people who use it. In fact I have read a number of posts by various authors on multiple forums who expressed what I perceived as contempt for both the material and the people who use it, yet at the same time they will use Birch bark or the resinous fibers from inner barks of other trees, even leaves from corn plants... whichever is in their local area, and then present that triumphantly as if it somehow proves they are a more skilled outdoors-man. Usually I find this sort of thing rather hilarious and tend to just chalk the authors up as more closed-minded people...of which this world if full.

However, there was a case the other day during a lesson on fire starting that made me want to speak my opinion on things. I had a few kids from the area trying to start fires. I let them use disposable lighters and only whatever natural materials they could find in the general area. It was during a slight break in three days of rain, at this point it was just a heavy mist and fog. They had all previously had success using leaves and what-have-you on the previous outing on a dry day earlier in the Autumn, and were a bit disgruntled with the results under current conditions. After watching several attempts and several failures, and growing weary of the chill and the smell of steaming wet leaves, I walked over and broke down the skinny inner skeleton of a long dead pine tree standing at the edge of our little clearing that was soaking wet on the outside and had rivulets of water running down it. I smashed the piece into a large tree to break it into a manageable size, whittled off the wet outer material, whittled some thick pieces, then whittled off some thin shavings, stuck a lighter to it and got flames all in less than three minutes. "Wow"s issued from the young men standing around me. I added the thicker pieces, and then started adding handfuls of soaking wet twigs and we soon had a fire to knock of the chilling dampness. One young man asked what that was that I used and I said "a very resin-rich pine, that is known by several names with the most common being fatwood. At the mention of fatwood another of the young men spoke up and said "oh...I've read about that on a couple of forums, they said using it was cheating and that skilled outdoors-men don't use it. That really didn't sit too well with me, and the last couple of days I have taken my camera and gone for walks in the light rains, harder rains, and heavy mists and fogs that are the hallmarks of Autumn here.

Yes I do agree that if fatwood is the only tinder one can ignite with a ferro rod then yes they do have much to learn and more experimenting to do, there really are many tinders in the woods this time of year that can be ignited with a fire steel. There are....

Dead grasses

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Lots of plants have dead leaves that hong on for a while drying in the breeze.

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Abandoned bird's nests.

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Queen Anne's lace is a good one when it's dried, but not so great green, and definitely not so great when dripping wet as this is.

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Exposed root capillaries of various types. While Poison Ivy is a bad one to use, and I strongly advise against it, because the urushiol oils are not destroyed by fire but rather vaporised and can cause the same allergic reaction in ones lungs as on the skin, it is one that will work in a pinch if nothing else is available just make sure no-one in your party breaths the smoke if it has to be done.

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There is fibrous decaying dead wood.

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Punk wood

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Fuzz Sticks, or feather sticks of course.

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Paper bark, which is extremely easy to ignite with a ferro rod when it is dry.

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Cedar bark is another good one.

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Fibers from the inner bark of various trees.

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Cattails or Bulrushes are a good flash tinder that work pretty well mixed with other materials.

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There are river cane and bamboo that can be whittled into slivers.

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Even Green bamboo will work well if you weight it down and dry it in the sun a little first.

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There is a plethora different seed pods and seed tufts that will work

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And that does even go into phragmites, sage grass, polypore fungi, dried mosses, resinous pitch, or others that are out there.....






But under very atmospheric conditions....

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When everything around you has looked like this for days...

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Few of these will do you much good with a ferro rod and any will be a bit of work. And in all honesty, while I tend to travel light sometimes time when I am alone in the woods and know the area I am in well, you will never catch me out in the woods with anyone else along (whose well being I am going to feel responsible for) without some form of "fire-right-now" tinder such as Trioxane, Wet Fire, or PJCBs along. Even if I do know the area like the back of my hand and perceive no danger because stuff happens.

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Since fatwood is a purely organic substance I can not fathom how it could be considered less skillful than a lot of other commonly accepted tools often carried to the bush by myself and many others.

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To down fatwood is in my opinion like saying one firesteel is acceptable while the other is not. And if this is the case then to have any ferro rod along at all is unskillful, and no less skillful than using corn husks, leaves, and tassels for tinder...unless of course you are bushcrafting in a corn field.

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Fatwood can be harvested, processed, and ignited in the rain, one handed if you're injured, using a small ferro rod.

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This knowledge can be a life saver to anyone in a cold wet environment where the material occurs naturally whether it be to warm up quickly, produce light quickly, dry off quickly, or to start a signal fire quickly.

Plus the acrid smoke of the fatwood will help drive off mosquitoes which are not only a torment at times but also carry pathogens.

I consider myself a relatively skilled outdoors-man, and my fire starting skills have saved more than one life over my years in the woods including my own on more than one occasion. I have more recently gotten into the more traditional and primitive means of fire-crafting and I really do enjoy it. However I consider myself to also have some common sense. Anyone who wants to label me as unskilled because of my use of fatwood is more than welcome to come hang out with me here in my rain forest this fall after a few weeks of rains, mists, and fogs and we can go bushcrafting with only a poncho, a canteen, a knife and a ferro rod. We'll set up two camps a slight distance apart and you can tell me how unskilled I am as I warm by my fire while watching you work your @$$ off trying to get something else to ignite.

Ok, I'm done, rant over :)
 
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Fair enough mistwalker, but we don't have any fatwood where I'm from so I can't cheat like some of you fancy pants bushcrafters!

I do have endless thousands of acres of corn husks at my disposal though :D
 
Very nice and I agree with your rant!

Thanks man, glad you enjoyed the post... and the rant !


Fair enough mistwalker, but we don't have any fatwood where I'm from so I can't cheat like some of you fancy pants bushcrafters!

I do have endless thousands of acres of corn husks at my disposal though :D

Lol, yeah, I couldn't find any in northern Illinois when I was up that way either, but I saw lots of corn fields. I can't say how many fires I've started with corn leaves and husks. I was usually making a fire to roast some ears after raiding farmer Maggot's (or whoever) crop :)
 
I know that personally, I have no disdain for fatwood, itself. The stuff is just about the best tinder there is. I would have to question the reasoning behind NOT having it in a tinder thread. That being said, it is just one of those recurring thread subjects that as a long time member, I actually get physically ill when we start back into it. I have surprisingly few pet peeves on wilderness sites.... fatwood posts are one of them... for no good reason.

Some others are...
-The Best knife for Survival question
-The SHTF/TEOTWAWKI threads
-Anything praising the Mora knife
-When boiling water with rocks is causually refered to.
-Anything Ken posts... aside from knife reviews... that's cool.

... I guess I have more than a few...


Anyway, great post Misty.... very thorough... awesome pics as usual.




Rick
 
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mistwalker,

I agree.

I have little interest in whether others consider me to be "cheating", depending on what materials I choose. Emergency wilderness survival is a matter of staying alive (and healthy), not a matter of playing a game where the quality of game play of my methods has any relevance.

I like firesteels because I find them the most reliable emergency ignition method. They may not be the easiest, or the hardest, or the most skilled, but they are (approximately) fireproof, waterproof, and shockproof. They work in cold, wind, high altitude, and whatever else.

I like fatwood because it's the most reliable tinder for me. It's reliably quick and easy to light with a firesteel, burns hot and long, is waterproof, shockproof, wind resistant, hardly degrades with age or oxygen exposure or whatever else, etc. Carrying one small stick is enough to get the beginning flames for dozens to hundreds of fires. It can serve double duty, as a first stage tinder, or a more substantial fire fuel. And it's usually easy to find in my area, too.

There are a lot of people who choose to follow goofy fads in their choices of knives, fire starters and tinders, and whatever else. I'm content to use the choices which work best for me, regardless whether they're unpopular, or considered "cheating", or considered to work poorly by those who don't learn how to use them and don't develop the skills.
 
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it did seem to me that the author exhibited some thinly veiled disdain regarding the use of fatwood and the people who use it. In fact I have read a number of posts by various authors on multiple forums who expressed what I perceived as contempt for both the material and the people who use it

I've stopped being amazed at the ways in which folks find methods of feeling superior. How do you think these authors would feel about petroleum-jelly cotton balls? In addition to fatwood, fire straws are what I usually carry because they're expedient and they don't fail, even in damp climes. Elitist "bushcraft" a$$holes can bite me if they don't like it. Bushcraft is about practicality and preparedness as much as it's about skills and minimalism. YMMV.
 
EXCELLENT POST! :thumbup:

Here on the WET COAST of BC, we do NOT have an abundance of dry tinder bearing plants. we do however have about 10 million hectares of fatwood bearing forests, and billions of cedar stumps. :cool:

I've stopped being amazed at the ways in which folks find methods of feeling superior. How do you think these authors would feel about petroleum-jelly cotton balls? In addition to fatwood, fire straws are what I usually carry because they're expedient and they don't fail, even in damp climes. Elitist "bushcraft" a$$holes can bite me if they don't like it. Bushcraft is about practicality and preparedness as much as it's about skills and minimalism. YMMV.


+1 :D:thumbup:
 
I know that personally, I have no disdain for fatwood, itself. The stuff is just about the best tinder there is. I would have to question the reasoning behind NOT having it in a tinder thread. That being said, it is just one of those recurring thread subjects that as a long time member, I actually get physically ill when we start back into it. I have surprisingly few pet peeves on wilderness sites.... fatwood posts are one of them... for no good reason.

Some others are...
-The Best knife for Survival question
-The SHTF/TEOTWAWKI threads
-Anything praising the Mora knife
-When boiling water with rocks is causually refered to.
-Anything Ken posts... aside from knife reviews... that's cool.

... I guess I have more than a few...


Anyway, great post Misty.... very thorough... awesome pics as usual.




Rick

I know bro. I'm all for pushing people to try other things and expanding minds. Especially when the material isn't something that occurs naturally in one's own area. And believe me I know I got tired and to where I just ignored every fatwood harvesting thread that was posted there for a while....and there were a bunch of them.

The "Oh look, it's more fatwood...ho hum...big deal" attitude I get just fine. It's just the insulting part that some do that bothers me and the effect it has on some of the younger people who live in areas where it is available naturally worries me. It's there for them to use and they are likely the ones who will run into a case where it can be a big help.

We have some of the same pet peeves, except I like Ken's posts, especially the knife reviews he does of those knives made by...what's his name again...it escapes me, oh well I'm sure I'll remember later....

Thanks man, I'm glad you liked the post.
 
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I wish I could find a larger version of this image.
I'd chop "BUSHCRAFT, It's Not Just a Game" onto it.

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mistwalker, though I've responded mostly to the rant end of your post, let me add that you've put up a great thread with some fantastic pics. :thumbup:
Let me also add that fire straws and fatwood should not become a crutch. However, I could care less about anyone who looks down his nose at me because I have them in my pack and I'm not afraid to use them. :D

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We'll set up two camps a slight distance apart and you can tell me how unskilled I am as I warm by my fire while watching you work your @$$ off trying to get something else to ignite.

Ok, I'm done, rant over :)

So you spent all that time and energy to defend your use of fatwood and to show that you know how to use other natural tinders.
But then you tell us how much more superior of a woodsman you are than those who you were accusing of being elitist?
Seem hypocritical to me, man.

I'd use fatwood if I had it, but I don't. Therefore I've learned what to use when it's raining (while it's raining) to start a fire with natural tinder. So, I'm thinking unless something unusual happened I wouldn't be freezing my ass off in my camp while you were warm.
I was cool with your post and thought you made some good points until you went overboard on that last part.
There's my rant over.
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excellent post! i really don't care what the elitist bushcrafters think. i take the best gear i can with me when i'm out in the woods and that means having a few sticks of fatwood.


Fair enough mistwalker, but we don't have any fatwood where I'm from so I can't cheat like some of you fancy pants bushcrafters!

I do have endless thousands of acres of corn husks at my disposal though :D

plenty of online stores sell fatwood. i bought 10 lb worth for $25 shipped. spread it all over your gear and forget about it and continue to use whatever natural tinder you can find...if and when you do find yourself in a true emergency, it'll be there.
 
So you spent all that time and energy to defend your use of fatwood and to show that you know how to use other natural tinders.
But then you tell us how much more superior of a woodsman you are than those who you were accusing of being elitist?
Seem hypocritical to me, man.

I didn't get that at all. I thought the point was that some folks are handicapped by some strange sense that fatwood is cheating, even when it's found naturally in an environment. As I read mistwalker's post, he just wanted these young men to see beyond somebody else's arbitrary rules about what constitutes bushcraft.

Even in the last part, he was making the point (correctly I think) that, everything else being equal, fatwood is going to give the outdoorsman an advantage. Why not take advantage of it?
 
That wouldn't have sat well with me either.

I don't understand it, the natural tinder you found, harvested and prepped on site is cheating? Makes no sense.
 
Great Post! I can't wait to get out and try it for myself.

People who don't have fatwood in their area just don't get it. Its not a rarity, or lucky find its everywhere! Use whats around, whats natural, and its not a crutch.

Personally don't understand the point of man-made tinders people love to carry (why not bring a bic) but to each his own.
 
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