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Ive never seen this firearm before. Is that a locking lug at the front of the barrel?
Sorry for hopping in;I agree the older US guns not only had class but character.The gun companies then were run by people who were sportsmen/outdoorsmen who knew guns.A lot of the people today running the companies today seemed to be interested more in the bottom line than the firing line.The US was also blessed to have writers who were not only influential and widely followed,but also knew what they were talking about, Nash Buckingham,Bill Jordan,Elmer Keith,Col.Askins,spring to mind.The US was also lucky to have people alive in the 20th cent.like John M. Browning,Bill Ruger,Roy Weatherby,among others.I'll step off the soapbox and go back to lurking.m1marty said:While I agree that alot of european arms are very nice indeed, they lack one thing that the old US guns have. CLASS.
I didn't see IMI (Israel Military Industries) in any of the posts... The IMI Jericho is one of the most comfy, accurate, fun to shoot, all around great pistols out there. On par with the H&K USP/Walther P99. I've heard first hand reviews that they are better than glocks too. We cant forget the IMI Galil either, even though some might think its fugly.
HKG36 said:Another big reason is the American culture.....why do you think we have so many Wal-Marts?
Spydiefan04 said:BTW Fellas, many of the best "European" handguns sold over here are actually American made, for example the Beretta 92/96 are made here, Sigs are made in New Hampshire, and Walthers of the PP and PPK variety are made by Smith and Wesson.
I think many European arms are overrated personally. The only ones that impress me are the H&K USP series, expensive and made in Germany, and the Beretta 92/96, just wish the safety was FRAME MOUNTED. The Glocks are way overrated and need a safety, and Sigs despite being among the best guns available have the controls reversed, which is why I'd never buy one to use in a defensive situation. Anyone that cut their teeth on a 1911 or any other conventional design has a tendancy to do what I do with a Sig, accidently de-cock the weapon when trying to engage the slide lock. You don't want to do that if your butt is on the line.
Take a look at the Smith and Wesson TSW series and SW99 and SW990 series, and SW1911 series and tell me Americans can't make Pistols. Also Colt, Kimber, and Springfield Armory are great and Ruger is OK.
I'd prefer a good 1911 over anything else but if I had to use a "modern" gun I'd want an HK. Controls are frame mounted like a 1911, and controls are where they should be. Wish Sig would make a gun with the controls in the right place, I can deal with Beretta and S&W's slide mounted safeties easier than the de-cocker and slide lock being in the wrong places.
When it comes to rifles/shotguns, with the exception of the Japanes and Belgian made Brownings, and the Italian made Berettas, the Americans rule.
Did you shoot any out of the box 1911s to make that assement of their reliability or accuracy? I'm not not knocking your choice of the P220 (and I'm glad you like yours), but I have shot box stock 1911s that were easily on par (both in accuracy and reliability) with the SIGs, Glock, Walthers, or Berettas I've shot.Bobwhite said:I like my Sig P220. I wanted a 1911, but after all the research I did I came to this conclusion. For the same price I paid for my Sig, I could not get a 1911 that would match it in reliability or accuracy out of the box. For a 1911 that would match it, I would have had to have one of similar cost worked on and tuned, for a few hundred more after purchase; or pay much more for a semi-custom or custom. Out of the box performance for the price was my criteria and the Sig beat all the 1911s.