A USA Knife And A Foreign Gun

Some Springfield guns, and some Springfield frames are made in Brazil. Not all.
Springfield at most only claims to finish the guns once the parts arrive from Brazil
This morning I called SA and talked to Debbie in customer service. I asked her if their adding the “Made in” in front of “Brazil” on the latest SA US GI 45s meant that these guns were now being completely forged finished and assembled in Brazil as thought by the site I referenced above.

She told me that all the SA US GI 45 pistols have been made by using forgings from Imbel (Brazil) and the finishing of parts and final assembly is done in the USA. That includes those marked only “Imbel Brazil” and those marked “Imbel Made in Brazil”.

She said that also applies to all the other variations of the 1911 with the Springfield Armory name.
I bet that means they screw the grips on.

http://www.kimdutoit.com/forum/threadsny.php?id=8976_0_43_0_C
http://www.m1911.org/prodte30.htm[url] Nothing wrong with Brazillian arms though. Get over it.
 
and dozens have accidentally discharged

Well guess whos fault that is! Its 100% the police officers fault! Keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to fire!
 
Bottom Line: Glocks have TOO LIGHT and SHORT a trigger pull to not have a manual safety, on a SIG or revolver the PULL is long and heavy enough for an AD to not be a problem. It is true that there have been more accidental discharges with a Glock than any other gun. It is true that the KBoom factor does exist in their .40 caliber models bc lack of a supported chamber, 1911s don't need one bc of the lower pressure of the .45 round. And it is true that a weapon WITHOUT a safety is more likely to be used against you than one that has a safety engaged (provided it was taken from you while the safety was still on). All that said I still think Glocks are very good guns, the only thing is for ablsolute safety in a carry gun I'd prefer a safety, as will many people. Either an HK USP variant 1, a Beretta 92/96, a Browning HP or a 1911 would all be my picks before Glock, some of the above are just as or more reliable and more accuate also. IMO Glock fans are too quick to pull the trigger when somebody disses their favorite gun, but the above mentioned problems are real and could be fixed by a manual safety and a supported chamber.
 
I suppose one could argue that a safety could slow you down and get you killed before you can disengage it.
 
"It is true that there have been more accidental discharges with a Glock than any other gun"

I still have'nt seen one shread of proof to this statement.

Allen.
 
"Glocks have TOO LIGHT and SHORT a trigger pull to not have a manual safety"

How is it that so many folks carry a Glock everyday and don't have accidental discharges more often.
There are literally thousands of folks carrying Glocks.


"It is true that the KBoom factor does exist in their .40 caliber models bc lack of a supported chamber"

Where's the evidence to back up this statement?
How is it that thousands of Glocks .40 calibers are shot everyday without "Kbooms"?

I'm not saying that a Glock cannot Kboom--heck, any gun can and I've seen a few do so firsthand.
It is almost always due to hand-loads.


Maybe I seem defensive but I just tire of hearing unsupported statements that are given as facts.

if what you say is true, there would be thousands and thousands of guys getting injured by their own Glocks everyday--and we just don't see that happening.

No matter how the Glock is demonized, if you keep your finger off the trigger, it is 100% safe.

Allen.
 
Glocks have TOO LIGHT and SHORT a trigger pull to not have a manual safety

Glocks have a trigger pack called a NY trigger which has about a 10lbs pull.

I can show you pictures of HKs that have KBed, along with others. Even the 1911.

1911 KB
 
Hey I'll admit GLOCKS are very good guns, but I have seen some .40 models KB, and this is not a common problem with Glocks, it rarely happens but does exist, any .40 needs a fully supported chamber. Just bc thousands of Glock .40s don't have a problem doesn't mean that some haven't blown. BTW this is not a problem with SIGs or Smith and Wessons which DO have supported chambers, am usure about the chamber of the HK, also I've never heard of this being a problem on .40 caliber Berettas or Hi-powers but am unsure about their chambers only familiar with the 9mm versions. KBs are a rarity but do happen. Usually with 1911s it is due to some moron heavily overloading the round, chamber pressure on a .45 is very low so there's no need for chamber support, I'd buy an unsupported Glock in .45 ACP in a minute with no reservations, I just wouldn't buy a .40 without a supported chamber and greatly prefer a .45 but that's another issue entirely.

Also remeber a few years back Glock was issuing warnings about using certain holsters with their guns bc of the way the area around the trigger was designed was too tight and the guns could accidently fire, I talked to a cop that this happend to with this holster and he knew a few others that this happened to. I don't remember the brand name but it was very easy to discharge the weapon simply by holstering it. Granted a proper holster would have fixed this but bc of this and various other AD instances I don't think a Glock can be considered the optimal Concealed Carry gun, it is essentially like a FN/Browning HP without a safety. Granted it can probably be properly handled as is, having a safety would probably make the AD factor a total non-issue. The 1911 has its share of ADs too and it has TWO safeties, nothing can be done to stop an idiot with a gun, but has anyone EVER heard of an AD on the Beretta 92/96. Regarding the NYC Trigger, if I wanted such a heavy trigger I'd just get a SIG, deal with the first crappy pull and then enjoy the rest, short and light like they should be, btw for shooting purposes I like the standard Glock trigger.

As an added note, I have now discovered that there is a gunsmith that puts 1911 style frame safeties on a Glock, if I were to get one of those I'd carry one without hesitation. Also in regards to a safety slowing you down, with practice one can remove a safety, esp a frame mounted one as the gun is being drawn losing no speed whatsoever, or maybe I'm just so used to a Colt it's a non-issue for me. Again didn't mean to start pro vs. con Glock war, I actually like them, but remember I'd carry a 1911 or a Browning/FN HP over anything so I am more than slightly biased .:D
 
emann said:
I was just thinking about how it seems that most people want an American made Knife but a foreign made gun. Why is this?
Strider = Kalifornia
Glock = Austria

Need I say more??:cool:
 
allenC said:
"It is true that there have been more accidental discharges with a Glock than any other gun"

I still haven't seen one shread of proof to this statement.

Allen.
Even if it was true why not mention how many more Glock's there are out there then any other gun.
 
The simple solution is to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
 
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