ABS Expo 2014 Report

Wow! Thank you for doing this!!! :thumbup: :cool:

It really stinks that I haven't been able to make it down for the last 2 shows... so this was a real treat.

Thank you! :)
 
Thank you for the pictures and the post. Things like this are very important to this show. It is a buyers show. You can take your time and go back and get the knife you wanted. So where are the forged blade collectors? As a maker I support this show. I would like to here some serious and constructive comments from collectors. Thank you,
Gary House
 
So where are the forged blade collectors? As a maker I support this show. I would like to here some serious and constructive comments from collectors. Thank you,
Gary House

Do you mean comments about the knives specifically (individually)or about the show itself in general. I'd be happy to provide feedback but it would obviously just be my opinion, especially if about individual knives.
 
Jon Brand, I about spit my coffee when I saw your list of favorites. It's scary how similar our tastes are. You PM'ed me about the DesRosier keyhole I bought, I heckled you about wanting the O'Hare folder you bought and then the top of your list of favorites is one of two other knives at the show that I wanted but didn't buy. I spent a lot of time fondling it and talking to James Rodebaugh about it. The only reason I didn't buy it was because I have a Greg Neely that looks nearly identical. Neely was at ABS talking to James about that knife when I walked up. He was telling him about his similar knife and looked up and said "and there's the guy who bought it". It may still be available if your interested contact James. but be quick because I may still buy it. I did my share of damage this weekend.
 
Agree with you about Jon's excellent taste in knives. :thumbup:

Any of the 3 Fuegens would be a dream come true.
Thanks everyone for the images !

Doug
 
Kim, Thanks for doing this and it was great to meet and talk to you at this show. thanks for stopping by.

Do you mean comments about the knives specifically (individually)or about the show itself in general. I'd be happy to provide feedback but it would obviously just be my opinion, especially if about individual knives.

I personally would appreciate hearing you thoughts on the show and any comments you have on how to make it better/get more collectors there. This show has many of the top ABS makers with some very impressive work but very few collectors in attendance. A definite buyers show with a good selection, and from what I saw very good prices. San Antonio is nice to visit this time of year, normally warm and some great historic places to see. So what do the collectors here need changed before they will attend?
 
Here is what I like in particular.

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Some nice ones there. Just going by the pics, here is one I would have liked to have spent some time with:

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In response to what I think (?) gthouse was asking, here is my attempt at serious and constructive comments.

I think this show is at the wrong time and in the wrong place.

I think that January is really, really tough for a lot of folks from a time and money standpoint. The Christmas bills are rolling in, and with many folks having taken off several days or even weeks at the end of December, it is tough to get away again for a knife show so soon afterwards. Even February for the Arkansas show is tough (even though it is one of my favorite shows, I haven't been able to go last year or this year). And the ABS show being so close to the Arkansas show does not help either. Late summer or fall would be ideal IMO. Even late March or April would be much better.

No offense, but San Antonio can be tough/expensive to fly into from far away. At least from where I live. If they want to stay in Texas, Dallas or Houston would be much better (at least for me).

Personally, as a custom knife collector . . . and of course this is an old skool idea . . . I think it would really be ideal if the Knifemakers Guild and the ABS could kiss and makeup and have one show together in one central location at around the same time as the Guild show is held now in September. Like a Blade show for just custom knives, without all the crap. :p Again, centrally located major transportation hubs are better (IMO). Chicago. Dallas. Houston. St. Louis. Even SLC or Denver.

Due to egos and such it might never happen, but IMO it would be better for the ABS, better for the Guild, and better for custom knife collectors.
 
thanks for taking your time to post, I felt like I was at the show!
Dave
 
Bill, thank you for clarifing my comments.
Ken, very good comments and like Don said, well thought out. Thanks,Gary
 
Here are my thoughts and experience, for what there're worth. I argee with Virginia regarding the timing. I had to hold back because I'm also planning to attend the Arkansas show. These are very close together and many of the same makers. It has to be tough on makers as well because they need knives for LR. However, it was still a good experience. I don't go just to buy knives off tables but to meet new makers and see new knives from ones I already know. I had never met Adam DesRosier and I got to not only see his knives but talk to him and Haley. Great people, BTW. I bought one of his keyhole hunters. I also picked up some mammoth scales and gave to Johnny Stout for another folder to be delivered at Blade Show. Lastly, I bought a very cool mammoth fighter/small bowie (not really sure which and he doesn't know what to call it either) from Mike Williams with a condition that he make me a mammoth hunter to match. He kept the knife and will bring it to Little Rock so we can find the matching scales together so he can complete the set. This is the type of collaborative projects I enjoy the most.

Regarding collector attendance. I obviously don't know how many attended and/or actually bought knives. Don't know from maker's perspective if it was a productive show. I didn't feel it was very crowded: no lines, no wait, seemingly no "competition" for knives. Perhaps that is what would make it better from a makers perspective and thus the comments about it being a "buyer's show". I guess then I would agree with that.

Why not more collectors? Others like Virginia hit the nail on the head (post Xmas, too soon before LR show). Perhaps there is also some truth about San Antonio from a travel perspective. I live near Houston so easy drive for me. I'd be all for the ABS moving to Houston. In fact, why not have it here in The Woodlands, TX just for me :). The Safari Club holds their big banquet here and its well attended.

I also don't know what type of promotion is done but will relay one story that led me to believe it could have been better. I stopped by Nagle's Gun shop in San Antonio. Nagles has the largest knife selection of any shop in the area by far. Thousands of knives (mostly production but also WH, CRK, Randall, and some customs, which are all in the price range of many ABS customs) The knife guy at Nagles wasn't even aware of the ABS show being in town. I told him about it. Seems to me ABS could have attracted numerous knife buyers just by putting flyers at Nagles. Knife guys go there to buy knives and I'm sure would be pleasantly surprise to learn that some of the best knives in the country would soon be downtown.

None of this is to criticize ABS organizers. I was well taken care of by Harvey Dean and his wife when I called about VIP pass. Everything I saw was run smoothly and efficiently.

One last comment directly to your points. Daniel O'Malley had a seminar on topic of secondary markets for knives. It turned into a discussion about how to get collectors of custom forged knives more excited and engaged. Les George was there and we had good discussion on why traditional custom collectors don't have the same passion as collectors of tacticals: bidding wars, lotteries, etc. Les was genuinely interested in helping to develop similar enthusiasm among traditional customs as he sees for his knives. None of us were sure it was possible as much of the excitment in the tactical market seems to be over how much money buyers can make by immediately flipping the knife to others behind them in line. We all agreed it was a different demographic but felt that some of the excitement in marketing might be useful to build a larger (perhaps younger) customer base.

Sorry for the rambling response but I had time to kill during our Houston ice storm. Some ice MIGHT even stick on the ground!!! Schools closed.
 
One final coment about prices. This may be a tabu subject and if it is I apologize. I have not been at this so long that I know all the rules and etiquette. I actually thought some of the prices were high. There were a couple knives that I might have bought but felt the price was high and I didn't want to offend the maker with an offer, even if I felt it was reasonable (not a lowball offer). In one instance he even said he would make me a deal but I felt the price I had in mind (based on experience with a maker of similar degree, similar knife and actual purchase within past 12 months) might offend him. I enjoy buying subsequent knives from makers I like and the last thing I wanted to do was offend by suggesting a knife wasn't worth TO ME what the maker was asking at table. So I didn't offer to buy it and left with money in my pocket.

This may be a topic makers only want to discuss amongst themselves and if that's the case I, as a lowly collector, totally understand. Would you rather a collector make you an offer that he feels is reasonable and begin a discussion?

I had a guilty experience at Blade Show where I bought a knife at my price after some haggling. The maker said he didn't want to sell it at that price but then relented. We were only $50-100 apart on an expensive knife but I still felt guilty afterwords. Now I tend to avoid offending rather than make an offer I think is reasonable. I would NEVER make a lowball offer.
 
Thanks for posting your thoughts. A couple of my thoughts. When this show started in Reno Nv. it was held the last weekend of Jan, similar to now and was very well attended by both makers and collectors. For some reason it was moved to Texas in August. Not so much fun and not much attendance reportedly because of the heat. It was moved back into January three years ago, the weather is much more friendly but there are still few collectors.

last year the ABS and the Guild got together to work out a combined ABS/Guild show. The result was that the guild wanted the ABS'S attendance, their money and their collector base but the ABS would have no say in how the show was ran. The ABS was willing to pay half the show bills but wanted half the say in how the show was ran, The two couldn't agree so negotiations broke down and the shows are still separate.

I personally feel that as an ABS Master smith it is my responsibility to support the ABS show, I try to personally invite people to shows that I attend not rely on the show committee to attract people to buy my knives. That is a bonus, Show committees have plenty to do without babysitting me and although selling knives is great, getting to meet people like Kim is why I do shows If all I wanted to do is sell knives I would just stay home and make more. doing shows is like buying advertising and investing in my knife making career.

Sorry to be so long winded, I am not trying to pick a fight with anyone and hope I have not offended anyone, these are just my observations and feelings.
 
One final coment about prices. This may be a tabu subject and if it is I apologize. I have not been at this so long that I know all the rules and etiquette. I actually thought some of the prices were high. There were a couple knives that I might have bought but felt the price was high and I didn't want to offend the maker with an offer, even if I felt it was reasonable (not a lowball offer). In one instance he even said he would make me a deal but I felt the price I had in mind (based on experience with a maker of similar degree, similar knife and actual purchase within past 12 months) might offend him. I enjoy buying subsequent knives from makers I like and the last thing I wanted to do was offend by suggesting a knife wasn't worth TO ME what the maker was asking at table. So I didn't offer to buy it and left with money in my pocket.

This may be a topic makers only want to discuss amongst themselves and if that's the case I, as a lowly collector, totally understand. Would you rather a collector make you an offer that he feels is reasonable and begin a discussion?

I had a guilty experience at Blade Show where I bought a knife at my price after some haggling. The maker said he didn't want to sell it at that price but then relented. We were only $50-100 apart on an expensive knife but I still felt guilty afterwords. Now I tend to avoid offending rather than make an offer I think is reasonable. I would NEVER make a lowball offer.

There are some makers who will get offended at this and some buyers who are offensive in their offers. I am not easily offended and don't mind doing some haggling on price and Don't think you should feel at all guilty about doing so, you didn't hold a gun to the guys head and he could have said no as easily as he said yes.
 
I'd love to go to a show in Reno, neat town. There is some epic riding there.
 
I attended every ABS Reno Show and the first two or three San Anton Shows. I enjoyed both tremendously.
I would still be attending them however my schedule the last couple years doesn't allow.
As I stated earlier in this thread, the SA shows probably offers better buying opportunities (combination knife availability and price)
for the forge collector than any other show.
I feel the same as others in that it's too close to the Arkansas Show being only 3-4 weeks apart.

In the Reno days the ABS was not competing against the VERY popular show that Arkansas is today.
They are competing, as I don't believe too many collectors are able or willing to attend two "forged" shows within 3-4 weeks of one another.

To Bill's point, I hoped the ABS and Guild shows would combine as I believed it would be a positive move for both, however I had my doubts that it would ever happen.
 
I would echo what Kevin just posted. I went to Arkansas last year, and was planning to go to San Antonio this year - to check out a different venue, and to see some of the makers who didn't come to the Little Rock Show.

As it turned out, for business reasons the timing didn't work out for San Antonio, but will work out for Arkansas....so there you go!

At least for me, the likelihood of making BOTH shows in a given year is pretty low...and I bet I'm not the only one.

Not sure what the solution is, per se, and i still want to get to SA at some point....

Bill Flynn
 
To stay out of trouble ;), you really have to know the market, the knives and knife pricing.
If you do, most makers shouldn't get upset at an educated offer that's lower than asking because more than likely
he already knows he might be a little high.

Best case scenario, you go to the maker's table knowledgeable, already knowing what the knives should be priced at. :cool:
Worst case scenario, you go to the maker's table assuming you can get a discount if you play your cards right. :foot:
 
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