Jerry,I agree with you and it would leave me out also as I am in a whole new learning curve at the moment and a beginner has been teaching me the new tech's that I am needing and I am teching him what I know to help him along..
I just figured that saying it was advanced might help people want to get into it...
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I am going to go out on a limb and say what I think..People may get mad at me or not..
I have been on the forums for close to 3 years now or something like that.When I first started posting I was hesatant to as I figured I didn't know enough to add anything.But I did start posting when I could and found that the more people that would post there ideas could really help others out.Now at that time we had makers and collecters that bounced between custom and shop talk.Some people only had time to visit one forum a day and so didn't go to both.Now when we would post a picture of our latest creation we had both other makers and Collecters giving feed back,and most of the time someone would say hey those guys over at ..the other forum would love to see that,you need to post this there also so we would and get even more feed back.Most of the time as a maker when I post a picture the knife is already sold but you still want to show it off.Well we started having som,e people start fussing that we were posting our pictures in all the forums and they didn't want to see that,even thgough we were asked to ,they didn't care about that and just wanted to fuss.
You know they didn't have to click on it on all postings if they didn't like it.We had that trouble in shop talk when Tom and Jerry always started cut up posts that would make a bad day go away,what happened to them a new forum on a different set of forums completely..Thus a loss of people here..
Then the rules of no pictures on the other forum if you already posted it on one,so use makers had to decide who we wanted to show it to..Not that I don't think we should pay for the forums but when that happened we lost a bunch of people,then when 9-11 hit allot of people disapeared from the forums for any number of reasons..The new restrictions on how you could post a picture and were,plus the wording you use has to make it not sound like a add.Heck we don't have any trouble in shop talk and we can help each other out and when a flare up starts we all stop i ourselves most of the time,How many moved or locked threads do you see in shop talk.When someone askes a question about making in the forum they chose to go to it always gets moved,when a few years ago it just got answered there and someone would usually post a link to it in one of the other forums to direct help to that person....If a collecter wanted to ask how or why they got the same treatment as if they were also a maker,thus they were educated as well as the rest of us.
I wish we could have the forums back the way they were a couple of years ago when they were fun and more interacting between everybody went on.Instead a few jerks have caused rules to stop this,I understand the economy hit Spark hard on the cost of the forums as he lost advertising But don't forget us makers that have been hit hard by the economy also,I know more than one maker that went back to work full time because of it,I went months at a time without orders also,It has hit us all hard but that shouldn't meen that we have to stop posting in different places does it? Me I had to drop my Knifemakers subscription as it was a bill that wasn't justified at the time,food and house hold bills were more important at the time,plus I was just posting a quick pic and not keeping my website updated and there I could show and sell if I wanted and it was paid for,If all I could do was show a maker my knife and not collecters that could possiably become a customer it wasn't worth it anymore either.Even though we have a paid subscription we can't post in any other part of the forum than we can being non-paid with the exception of the for sale forum..Were I used to post and to tell you guys the truth in 2 years there I never sold a knife,it would always be a collecter off a different part of the forums that would see it and email to see if it was available,Nobody really visited the Gallery as they still don't,when you post a picture there you don't get the feed back that you can like in shop talk.
So to me what you guys are wanting is what we had 2 years ago before all the BULLSHIT started and the bickering..Just open the forums back up like they were so the makers and collecters can interact btween each other no matter what forum it is on,I agree that a purveyor or factory or anyone being a assmbly line type of maker should buy advertising and not use the forums for a free be on Spark.But when you sell all you make why should we be punished from showing off what we finished at the end of a hard week to who ever wants to see it or asks to see for fear that we will be kicked off the forums completely because we advertised ina post by giving a price or posting in a different forum like we used to..
Come on guys,we want the old forums back but we won't get them without everybody getting along,will we get the old collecters and makers back maybe/maybe not.But we can make them fun again and get new blood in without fear of getting into trouble...
Now I said my piece and I am sorry if I mad anyone mad,but this is just how I have felt about this for a long time and I bet I aint the only one:footinmou :footinmou :footinmou
Bruce
