Ahem... The Caly 3 is Here!

Hi Kid,

Who is using VG-10? Spyderco, Al Mar, Fallkniven, who else consistently uses VG-10? VG-10 is a premium Japanese steel.

"Chris Reeve, Strider, Rick Hinderer, Benchmade" make their knives in the US, S30V is a premium US steel. We use S30V as our premium US steel. I do not think that those mentioned are making knives in Japan. If they did, and they wanted a premium Japanese steel, they would probably use VG-10.

S30V has an edge retention advantage over VG-10.

VG-10 has a corrosion resistance advantage over S30V.

Both are premium expensive steels.

Have you owned and used VG-10?

What are you basing your opinion on? Certainly not a few rivets vs a few screws, I hope?

Size matters little in knife consruction. Processing costs are not much different for forming, polishing, sharpening, etc.

I would suggest that you handle and use a Caly3 before you come to conclusions. I admit that I'm biased, I've got more than 10 years in refining the Caly design. IMO, it is a fine piece.

What other models in the same class made by any company would you compare to a Caly3? Materials, eros, cutting performance, fit & finish, walk & talk? And what do they cost?

FYI the G-10 is our own G-10 (not all G-10 is created equal), made and formed in the US and shipped to Japan. The clip is also made in the US and shipped to Japan.

sal
 
INFI Kid said:
I didnt say what users prefered. I said many prmium knife makers use s30v and not many at all use VG10.
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Most custom knife makers use whatever steel is popular and will sell the best, not always the "best" steel. S30V is what has been popular with consumers so thats what the makers use.

From my experience there is very little difference in S30V and Vg-10 in edge holding, you would really have to start keeping count of the number of cuts you made to ever tell. I have had problems with S30V chipping, never have with VG10. VG10 seems to be "grippier" when cutting and do a better job of it. Never had any problem with either one on corrosion, not for just everyday pocket carry and use.

Spyderco is not the only company to use VG10 allot, Al Mar uses it in about 90% of thier knives I would guess and has for a long time.
 
INFI Kid said:
If you want to pay $100 for a Calypso go ahead I persoanlly think it is about $20-$25 over priced.
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Then don't buy it, buy what you want. :) But can you quit crying about it. :)
That's why Spyderco(and other knife companies) makes more then one model of knife. So we can have choices. :)
I have an early Endura, no rivets, no torx, just FRN, it has lasted 13+ years, and I still carry it today. The plastic clip broke off years ago, but the handle is holding up well. I'm sure rivets and G10 will last longer then FRN. :)




Blades
 
I've owned Al Mars and Spydercos with VG10. I really like VG10. I just stated that most premium makers use s30v. I guess I would just rather have a Manix for my money it seems like more of a knife.
 
Blades said:
Then don't buy it, buy what you want. :) But can you quit crying about it. :)
That's why Spyderco(and other knife companies) makes more then one model of knife. So we can have choices. :)
I have an early Endura, no rivets, no torx, just FRN, it has lasted 13+ years, and I still carry it today. The plastic clip broke off years ago, but the handle is holding up well. I'm sure rivets and G10 will last longer then FRN. :)




Blades
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I was having a discussion with some other members about my opinion of the Calypso. I was not crying about anything. I thought this forum was for discussing knives. I guess you can only say positive things about the knives or you are just crying. What I was saying about the rivets instead of torx didn't have anything to do with longevity of the knife. Rivets are cheaper and you are not able to take the knife apart to clean it that is why I don't like rivets on a pemium knife.
 
I like S30V very much. It is what my first Spyderco (Native) was made of, so maybe that is why I am partial to it. I would have liked the Caly 3 to have used it, but as many people as there are that really like VG-10, I know I will be happy. All I do know for sure is that I want a Caly 3 in my pocket, yesterday:).

Ron
 
I like VG10 a lot, but must agree that the new Caly is a little more expensive than I had hoped. The last three knives I've anticipated have been more expensive than I initially believed, those being the Captain, Lava and Caly. All fantastic, but I don't really see the price. They're expensive compared to even the other knives in Spyderco's line. Not everything can be the best deal in the world, and that's okay...it just seems like a bit much. I'll probably buy one of these knives, but I had planned on buying all three. It just feels weird when I can get a coated, made in America, AO, S30V, G10 full sized Kershaw Avalanche for 80 (I've seen them for 70 lately, actually).

No big deal. I think I'll be skipping the caly though....I'm not a fan of lockbacks. Thought I'd pick up another since it seemed like such a great knife, but I've had a few little dissapointments through the process.
 
Hi Infi Kid,

Believe it or not, rivets seem to outlast screws on older knives. They move less so there is less to "shake apart".

The advantage of screws is in repairs or modifications. Cleaning out a knife is not that complicated even if it doesn't come apart.

Sorry AM,

We operate on basically fixed margins, the more they cost to make, the more they cost to sell.

sal
 
Yeah, it's priced higher than the delica or calypso in zdp-189 or the ukpenknife, (all with better steel) that I already have, but I bought it anyway.

This will hold me over til I buy the zdp-189 caly3 with carbon-fiber
(I would have prefered silver tweed G10) as long as it doesn't go over 150.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Infi Kid,

Believe it or not, rivets seem to outlast screws on older knives. They move less so there is less to "shake apart".

The advantage of screws is in repairs or modifications. Cleaning out a knife is not that complicated even if it doesn't come apart.

Sorry AM,

We operate on basically fixed margins, the more they cost to make, the more they cost to sell.

sal
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I believe you. I never questioned the longevity of rivets. I just prefer torx on a knife in that price range. Thank you for adding to the discussion Mr. Glesser. Your experience and opinion carry alot of weight.
 
My Caly 3 came today! SWEET little knife. I love the low ride clip. It is perfect for Sheepleville carry. I wish it was S30V but VG10 is no slouch. The blade is perfectly centered with barely perceptible vertical play. It came Spyder sharp with nice even bevels. The G10 was a little burry around the edges but that will wear off in short order. It is built to take a beating with the strong liners. I say :thumbup: :thumbup: :D .
 
kgriggs8 said:
It is a little more than I thought it would sell for "on the street". For some reason I was thinking $75-80. I don't know if I had heard that or if I just assumed it for some reason.

I really wish they would make a version that was about 7/8th the size of the large Calypso (not JR.) in G-10. I like the Jr. size as well but it is a tad small for an EDC IMHO. I prefer about a 3 1/2" blade for general use. You can't even cut a sandwich or apple in half with the puny CJ.

When people get one, tell us what you think of the weight. For a small knife, I think it should be light. If it is a little brick, I would REALLY prefer a longer blade. That is sort of the reason I am not crazy about the Delica 4. If I am going to carry a knife that heavy, it might as well be a little larger.

Oh, well! I am going to get one anyway I'm sure.
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If you want a 3.5" full flat grind look at the R2. It is very light weight, strong, and cuts like hell. I would love that same design to be made production woth G 10 handles, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
 
"...What other models in the same class made by any company would you compare to a Caly3? Materials, eros, cutting performance, fit & finish, walk & talk?"


I think the Caly3 will beat them all when it comes to Eros !



peace
 
It's more than I thought too, but I'm just spoiled by Spyderco's being ridiculously under-priced steals. It's STILL a great deal at the price and I definatly plan on buying one when New Graham gets more plain edge back in stock. :thumbup: :D

P.S. I really appreciate Sal listening to everyone, adressing their comments, as well as defending his product. What a stand up bussinessman!
 
INFI Kid said:
I was not crying about anything. I thought this forum was for discussing knives. I guess you can only say positive things about the knives or you are just crying.
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I thought I had plenty of smiles. :) :) No, you can say whatever you want. Please do, thats' what makes the forums fun. :) :) I wasn't trying to be mean, just mouthing off. :)
I don't like the Spyderco Native. I think it is one ugly knife. I also think I am the only person in the world who doesn't like it. I'll recommend any other Spyderco before a Native, but that's just me. :)



Blades
 
INFI Kid said:
I didnt say what users prefered. I said many prmium knife makers use s30v and not many at all use VG10.
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It is easy for custom knifemakers and manufacturers in the US to get S30V. VG-10 is only made by a single foundry in Japan, and the lead time on production is something like six months. A US or Europe based knifemaker would have to source and import bar stock from Japan, and pay the import duties and shipping. Even Spyderco, who uses so much VG-10, has only imported small quantities for use at Golden. It just isn't cost effective.

The only companies that you'll see using VG-10 generally are those that manufacture finished knives in Japan: Spyderco, Al Mar, and Fallkniven are the prime examples.
 
I'm with dpimc, yes it is more then I expected but it is still a good deal for the build and material. I'm assuming part of the increase is the new tooling cost for the handle and liners. Is the blade the same design as the calypso jr?

Also on a side note, if s30v is the premium steel in US, and vg-10 for the japanese market, what is the premium steel that Europeans use or other parts of the world for that matter.
 
I expected it to be about $90 and that's what it is. Once it's comfortably in the market, it will probably go mostly in the $90 to $95 range, which is about $15 to $20 less than a Manix. If you look at a comparable knife, such as the Benchmade Sequal or Al Mar Nomad, the price is actually lower. I honestly don't see why everybody expected it to be any lower. The price makes perfect sense to me. I think it's a great deal compared to comparable knives, especially since it's going to feel better and cut better than the competition.

Mine arrived today and I couldn't be happier. This knife really is the perfect EDC. I suggest people get over the 20 bucks they expected to not have to spend for it and get what is, in my opinion, the best small EDC utility slicer any company has ever manufactured.
 
Mine came about 10 minutes ago. I am very pleased. I have been hoping for a nice version like this for the last 5 years and would have gladly paid even more if that is what the price turned out to be. This is my first Spyderco with the wire clip so I am anxious to see how I like it.
Here is the new version with my favorite pal-

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Mine came with a nice sharp edge typical of Spyderco's. I don't mind the VG-10 at all. My favorite pal in the picture has AUS-8 and it really is a good steel for EDC...Ed.
 
My Caly3 was delivered 20 minutes ago. But I still at work, probably I have to leave earlier. Can not wait. :D :D :D :D :D
 
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