ALEJANDRINO'S "MINT" XM-18 (pictures inside) ready for a good laugh, and a long read!

So-Lo

So-Lo

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Buyer beware of Alejandrino!!!

I will show you the facts, and let you see Alejandrino for the clown he is.

Here is the sale thread, please note the "mint blade" part ;)

Well here is what he sent me............:confused:
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Wow this "MINT" bead blasted blade sure is scratched all to hell huh?
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and..here is the other side............
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This "MINT" blade also has nicks on both sides of the choil, looks like a stray sharpening stone is to blame.
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The pivot is very dirty for a "MINT" condition knife. Looks like this as been a EDC for a few months or more.
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stay tuned for the PMs (working on part two now)
 
My first PM
Danny,

I got the knife today. Lets just say you have a very loose meaning of mint! This knife has been carried ALOT! Blade is not centered when closed, you should of told me. I feel customs are perfect inless noted by the seller. My bad on this.

Your bad on scratching up the blade in a failed atempt to make it look not used! Dirt, and lint are everywhere proving this knife has seen LOTs of pocket time. Scratched clip, choil has been nicked when it was sharpened.

Here is where I am at, I feel I paid you to much for this knife. BUT I want to have a XM-18. I am inbetween a rock and a hard place.

Why were you not honest with me?

I'm not sure where to go from here.
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He sent this back
Hi ! Guess I was wrong as I thought it was mint ! Please send it back and I will refund your money!! I did not say it was not carried but I hardly used it. My apologies and I will send you your money back when I get it! I really did not notice if blade was centered on not as I am not really a custom knife collector. I will await it;s return! Danny
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Then this,
P. S. I would prefer you send it back than complain ! Thanks.
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I sent this back

I bet you would prefer I send it back than complain! You should of been a man, and not said its a mint blade. You lied! I never seen the word used, lightly used, carried.... You presented this as a MINT XM-18, its not!

alejandrino said:
Find this too large for my hands.3 1/3 inch blade, black handles,gray blade in mint condition..$550.00 shipped..paypal plus 3%.mo or checks fine(to clear)
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Well heres the pictures ;)

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Look how dirty that pivot bolt is, hardly used it? Yeah right!
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WOW that "MINT" blade is scratched all to hell, huh? ;)
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The choil has been nicked by a sharping stone on both sides.
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Now if I sold you a "Mint Blade" would you be mad if it looked like this?

How a about you refund me $50 back, and these pictures don't make the forum?;)

If I send this blade back to you, I can promise these WILL make the forum with your name loud and clear!


Hate to be a ass about this, but you are messing with my money. This blade was/is going to be a user for me. So pretty is not the issue. The issue is that you lied!

I have wanted a XM-18 in Non-flipper Spanto point for a few months. I really would hate to make it hard for you to sell your goods on the forum.

I really just wish you could of been a man, and told me its a used XM-18. By the way I don't have a issue with the blade centering, as I "should" of asked for a picture. (My bad, on this)

I really do not want to send this back, and show the forum your "MINT" blade you sold me...........;)
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holy smokes:eek: i almost pulled the trigger on this one before you solo. Glad i didnt. Im really sorry this happened.
 
He sent this
I really don't know how that knife looks like that !I have no intention if taking off $50.00 and want it back and you get your full amount back. Please do me a favor and publish my deceit in the forum as you like ! I have afew images of the knife before I shipped and it does not have those marks. I have sold quite afew items on the forum and nobody has complained. I f I did you wrong, I apologize and want to rectify my selling you a really bad knife. All I want is for you to send the knife back and you can tell everybody in the forum what I did. I will refund you money!! Maybe something happened to the knife between the time I sent it to you and you getting it?? I WOULD NOT SELL THAT KNIFE IN THE CONDITION YOU HAVE IT AND CALL IT MINT!! Do what you have to do !. Danny
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I sent this
I will take some pictures of the box later, to see of its how you packed it. I would hope you wouldn't think a blade in this condition is "MINT." ;)
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He sent this
Can you send me you email addy? I want to send you photos of the knife when I had it. I did not have this knife too long and although I did carry it a couple of times I hardly used it and you got it in the same shape as when I got it and the seller also said it was min, and it was mint!! I am not too good at computers and I do not know how to send it in the PM thread. Again, please feel free to ship it back !!Thanks. Danny
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I sent this
randyandpatricia@hotmail.com

Please do send the pictures, but I have no other way than your "word" to know if these are up to date pictures. They could of been pictures of when it was new.

Here is how I feel, you have sold about as many items as I have here give or take a few. I nor you have never had a "bad" one. If you "say" this knife was not in this condition when you sent it, I almost believe you. As its hard to totally trust the USPS.

But here is the problem, how the hell did it still make it in two working days? Seems to me if a USPS punk searched this box and used it, it would at least be a day late or never make it.

I know we are both going to look bad if we go to the good bad and the ugly.......but we might have to go there

Rick is still selling these for around $400 I believe, but they are worth $550 IMHO, but a used one should not cost what a new or like new one. So this is where my idea of a $50 refund comes in. If you feel $50 is to much, what would be the proper amount to you? Or you might not even think of a refund, and want this knife back.

Here is what we both will have in the end if I send it back.

I still want a spanto XM-18 used or new. You would have a "used" XM-18 spanto that is still "to big." My guess is that it would be a hard sell at $550. You would maybe drop the price, or get "lowball offers."

Here is what we both have if we agree on a refund price.

I get my "user" XM-18 Spanto, and you sell your "now used" XM-18 Spanto. Yeep, you didn't get what you wanted, but there is no doubt in anyones mind that this is "not MINT." No matter if you flat out lied, or the USPS had some knife testing they conducted with out us knowing.

If you get this blade back, do you still plan on selling it? If so, Are you going to list it for the same price or a "used" price? If so thats the amount the refund should be, if its not crazy low.

I will await to pictures and a response before I start making my good bad and ugly thread......with all pics. And all PMs, and emails known for the forum to judge.

Thanks for your time,

Randy Johnson
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He sent this back...and this is where we are at now.
I tried to send it to your hotmail email address but keeps getting rejected. I don't know how to use links. Anyway, please posting this on the good and ugly forum is fine with me. Like I said, of you are not happy with the knife I will refund your money and the paypal fees as I can not prove that the knife went to you as stated. Anything could have happened between the time it left my hands and got to you! Knife has sat on my cabinet days after I got it as it felt too large to carry. Tried to trade for a smaller one but no replies. I will try to post photos when I got it and before I sent it. Have a photo of the blade perfectly centered also. I prefer to get the knife back as I can not take being called liar. All you had to do was tell me it was not as stated and returned the knife. Instead you want to keep it and want $50.00 back and call me a liar!! Guess we have to go from there.
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Thats definitely not "mint". I was prepared to see scratch or two... No, its "user, excellent cond."
But I still want it )))
besides, Rick can face lift it in no time (if he has ANY spare time now)
 
part of the reason i "pulled out" of this purchase was because there was zero records of him being in the GBU considering all the sale threads he posts. that threw up a flag for me
 
Alejandrino :thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn

Sorry for your loss So-Lo, it must be quite a let down.

If you do ship it back to him, I doubt he will even return your money.
 
It would be a simple fix to just send it back.

I know, but I feel the forum should know that if Danny says "MINT" you might be in my shoes.

Like I said this was/is going to be a user for me so pretty is not the issue. The issue is that this is his "MINT" blade, and the forum should know IMHO.

Now I have to decide if I am going to keep it and eat the "$50 refund" I feel is owed or send it back, and hope he does give a refund at all.

I can bead blast the blade today, thats not the problem. If I take it apart, I can probably get that blade dead centered, and clean it. The Ti frame and clip thats scratched, does not bother me, as its was/is going to be a user for me. Scratches are going to happen.

I will keep everyone up to speed on what I decide to do.
 
I almost went down on this one too. Boy, lady luck found me just in time I guess.

What I find interesting is that you would never guess the knife was in that condition from the two pics of the knife that he posted in the thread. In the one pic, you can barely see the choil nick, but there is no way I would have seen the scratches on the blade or clip.

IMO, as the seller, I don't know how you could overlook these things when you go to sell the knife. Maybe the seller never said that it was never carried, but a lie by omission is still a lie (scratches, chip, previous carry, non centered blade, etc.).

Given what has already occurred, if you send it back, be VERY careful about how you go about doing this. If he won't refund your $ until he gets the knnife back, then he may claim that he never got the knife back. And if you think that it has been a PITA up to now, wait until you have to deal with that scenario. :thumbdn:
 
I did pay him full asking price plus the 3% paypal fees. Not that is matters, but another fact the forum should know. :cool:
 
not that my opinion matters, but I would NOT ship back without AT LEAST a partial refund that clears BEFORE shipping. Folks like this are unscrupulous and count on people who are trusting. There is no FREAKING WAY it got scratched up like this in shipping.
IMHO
 
on_the_edge said:
Maybe the seller never said that it was never carried, but a lie by omission is still a lie (scratches, chip, previous carry, non centered blade, etc.).
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And this is why I do not believe his story about it might of happened in shipping. He never said he carried this. He said its "MINT."

When I sell something I never say its "MINT" even if I carried it once. I might say LNIB and tell about the time or times I carried it but never "MINT."

Also the pics he posted are very small, and blurry...................emmm what could he have to hide?
 
Mint means ( in my book ) New and unused..not lightly used...not carried once...but in the EXACT same condition as it would come from the Maker. To clarify

The edge of the blade has to be clear and unused..not ever sharpened except from the maker

Bead blast or finish of the blade should be 100% free of all blemishes scratches, marks..including kydex marks unless noted.

Lock up should be proper as new and blade opeing ( if a folder) should be somewhat tight as if new from maker..

That is mint...New, unused,,, perfect,,100 percent condition..

Ren
 
That's just insane! Totally UN -Mint! You deserve your money back for sure!

Not the extra $50, that's called extortion. You told him you wouldn't publish the pics in the GB&U unles he paid you in addition to your refund, is that correct? If so that is asking for a bribe.

That might be where some of the extra unesecarry difficulty & resistence with this guy is stemming from.

I would recommend that he returns your money FIRST so that there is no issue of non payment. Then you can ship his knife back, we can keep an eye on the exchange here of course.

Normally I would say it should be the other way around but the poor condition of that knife leaves one unassured the refund would be recieved as it should.

There's no way that the condition of that knife could be considered "mint".
 
For future reference,, all sellers should be aware that no Preowned knife is "mint" and very few new knives are "mint". In the knife world, the word "mint" means perfect, not very good and not excellent. It is impossible for a "lightly carried" or "rarely handled" knife to be "mint".
 
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For future reference,, all sellers should be aware that no Preowned knife is "mint" and very few new knives are "mint". In the knife world, the word "mint" means perfect, not very good and not excellent. It is impossible for a "lightly carried" or "rarely handled" knife to be "mint".
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Agreed:thumbup:
 
RDT said:
That's just insane! Totally UN -Mint! You deserve your money back for sure!

Not the extra $50, that's called extortion. You told him you wouldn't publish the pics in the GB&U unles he paid you in addition to your refund, is that correct? If so that is asking for a bribe.

That might be where some of the extra unesecarry difficulty & resistence with this guy is stemming from.

I would recommend that he returns your money FIRST so that there is no issue of non payment. Then you can ship his knife back, we can keep an eye on the exchange here of course.

Normally I would say it should be the other way around but the poor condition of that knife leaves one unassured the refund would be recieved as it should.

There's no way that the condition of that knife could be considered "mint".
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No thats not what I was asking for, but I do like your creativity. :D

I was asking to pay a "used" price. I paid him $550 plus the paypal fees. I was asking for $50 back, so that I paid $500 for this XM-18. Blackmail yes, extortion no.............but I love that idea. :D
 
So-Lo, if you are going to send the knife back and worried about the possible scenario you stated, send it back with signature confirmation/delivery confirmation.
 
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