All Rounder Fixed Blade

[Velitrius]

Forgot about the Gerber Ghostrike... made in USA, around 4 ounces including the configurable sheath.

That Guardian 3 with the sheepsfoot has just been scribbled on to my Xmas list. That's a great looking EDC FB.

Marci, your percentage is probably close for utility vs SD there... mine has been 100% utility to 0% defensive purposes... but ya never know.

 

[Gaston444]

How is an Endura so much more useful for SD than a Delica?

Well maybe not everyone, unlike you, lives in a nudist colony and abide by its rules?

I've always wondered why Hannibal Lecter was given, by the author or the movie, a Harpy rather than the more obviously useful Civilian...

I guess the smaller knife, rather than make you look like just a regular thug, makes you look more "upscale" and "crafty", and "crafty" means "smarter", and therefore more dangerous...

The funny thing is, in order to get more reach out of his "craftier" knife, Hopkins resorts, in a scene with a Policeman, to holding it by the tip of the handle, sticking the thing out between knuckles like a "horizontal" push dagger. I would hope he bent the clip outward just to hold on to it, but that seems unlikely:

He's thinking right now: "Yeah, this thing is too small."

Gaston

 

[danbot]

Well maybe not everyone, unlike you, lives in a nudist colony and abide by its rules?

I've always wondered why Hannibal Lecter was given, by the author or the movie, a Harpy rather than the more obviously useful Civilian...

I guess the smaller knife, rather than make you look like just a regular thug, makes you look more "upscale" and "crafty", and "crafty" means "smarter", and therefore more dangerous...

The funny thing is, in order to get more reach out of his "craftier" knife, Hopkins resorts, in a scene with a Policeman, to holding it by the tip of the handle, sticking the thing out between knuckles like a "horizontal" push dagger. I would hope he bent the clip outward just to hold on to it, but that seems unlikely:

He's thinking right now: "Yeah, this thing is too small."

Gaston

Okay...So, ignoring your juvenile attempt at an....insult?

First: Considering how close you need to be to effectively use a knife in an adrenaline and stress filled situation, an inch or two of more reach is really insignificant. You could do enough damage with an inch long blade if you know what you're doing. (And you shouldn't even be carrying a knife for SD if you don't know how to use it).

Secondly: Your chosen example is an offensive attack. Not a self defensive measure.


FAIL! Try again G.

 

[bearfacedkiller]

Do you live in a fictional world? Because that is the only place where using a fictional example would make sense. That is a movie, they do things that make no logical sense all the time.

 

[DocJD]

Sorry , but it this case , Gaston is absolutely correct . Length is critical in a fighting knife . And , yes, even an inch or two can be vitally important ,especially in these short blades which are all marginal for fighting . In both stabbing , depth of penetration and in efficiency of slashing , bigger is usually better (other factors being equal) .

 

[danbot]

Sorry , but it this case , Gaston is absolutely correct . Length is critical in a fighting knife . And , yes, even an inch or two can be vitally important ,especially in these short blades which are all marginal for fighting . In both stabbing , depth of penetration and in efficiency of slashing , bigger is usually better (other factors being equal) .

But we're not talking about knife fighting. We're talking about the off chance that once in your lifetime you may need to defend your life with the knife you are carrying.

 

[DocJD]

But we're not talking about knife fighting. We're talking about the off chance that once in your lifetime you may need to defend your life with the knife you are carrying.

Yes , but that just means you need every advantage you can get for that one possible encounter .

That inch or two also functions in what's called "reach" . An inch difference of reach could mean zero penetration into your assailant's eyeball vs one inch penetration . I hope that's an eye opener !

 

[danbot]

Yes , but that just means you need every advantage you can get for that one possible encounter .

That inch or two also functions in what's called "reach" . An inch difference of reach could mean zero penetration into your assailant's eyeball vs one inch penetration . I hope that's an eye opener !

If you can't reach the person, why do you need you use a knife on them? RUN AWAY is your best defense. A lot of people wind up in prison for "self defense". They think they're defending themselves, when actually they are assaulting someone with a weapon!

 

[DocJD]

If you can't reach the person, why do you need you use a knife on them? RUN AWAY is your best defense. A lot of people wind up in prison for "self defense". They think they're defending themselves, when actually they are assaulting someone with a weapon!

Running is not an option for many people , including me . But it does justify carry a cane , which is my SD primary .

 

[danbot]

Running is not an option for many people , including me . But it does justify carry a cane , which is my SD primary .

And if the overcome your cane?
If they don't have a gun, they will need to get close enough to kill you and "reach" won't be a factor.

 

[DocJD]

And if the overcome your cane?
If they don't have a gun, they will need to get close enough to kill you and "reach" won't be a factor.

"Reach" in martial arts has specific meaning . Imagine a compact person fighting a beanpole with very long limbs . Poor shorty can't begin to touch beanpole's vitals because he is outranged until he gets in very close . Meanwhile , beanpole can strike with near impunity .

 

[marcinek]

Running is not an option for many people , including me . But it does justify carry a cane , which is my SD primary .

If I recall, I believe Gaston also claims those are useless.

 

[danbot]

"Reach" in martial arts has specific meaning . Imagine a compact person fighting a beanpole with very long limbs . Poor shorty can't begin to touch beanpole's vitals because he is outranged until he gets in very close . Meanwhile , beanpole can strike with near impunity .

Again, that's fighting.
If the police believe you were fighting, then "self defense" goes out the window and you get arrested.

 

[DocJD]

If I recall, I believe Gaston also claims those are useless.

I do not , in every regard , 100% always agree with Mr. Gaston .

 

[DocJD]

Again, that's fighting.
If the police believe you were fighting, then "self defense" goes out the window and you get arrested.

SD is fighting . Those who believe otherwise , the police call "victims " . I'm not too interested in semantical arguments . Just hope you can understand my tactical logic .

 

[marcinek]

I do not , in every regard , 100% always agree with Mr. Gaston .

That is a pretty sound thing to do.

Of course the 1 inch more reach of the Endura makes it a slightly better SD tool than the Delica.

What that has to do with the case being discussed or how that inch makes the Delica "practically useless" for SD escapes me entirely.

Not that you brought it up. Our friend Gaston did.

And that is more reason why I also no not , in every regard , 100% always agree with Mr. Gaston.

 

[DocJD]

That is a pretty sound thing to do.

Of course the 1 inch more reach of the Endura makes it a slightly better SD tool than the Delica.

What that has to do with the case being discussed or how that inch makes the Delica "practically useless" for SD escapes me entirely.

Not that you brought it up. Our friend Gaston did.

And that is more reason why I also no not , in every regard , 100% always agree with Mr. Gaston.

I think Gaston kinda spices things up but maybe a bit too much at times .

Everyone is different . I prefer a longer knife except when extremely fine control is required . Most real work knives tend to be longer for the increased efficiency . Shorter knives for legality and ease of carry . But I've almost never said to myself " wish I'd brought a SHORTER knife " !

 

[marcinek]

I think Gaston kinda spices things up but maybe a bit too much at times .

Everyone is different . I prefer a longer knife except when extremely fine control is required . Most real work knives tend to be longer for the increase efficiency . Shorter knives for legality and ease of carry . But I've almost never said to myself " wish I'd brought a SHORTER knife " !

True on all counts. Though the smaller Delica might very well be a better "EDC all rounder" to the OP due to its smaller size, which goes back to my original point: The OP was looking for an EDC all rounder fixed blade that could be used for SD, and the typical purpose built SD knife is a great fighter and a crappy all rounder, whereas the typical "EDC" (like the Izula mentioned earlier) knife is a great all rounder and a more than passable fighter.

 

[DocJD]

True on all counts. Though the smaller Delica might very well be a better "EDC all rounder" to the OP due to its smaller size, which goes back to my original point: The OP was looking for an EDC all rounder fixed blade that could be used for SD, and the typical purpose built SD knife is a great fighter and a crappy all rounder, whereas the typical "EDC" (like the Izula mentioned earlier) knife is a great all rounder and a more than passable fighter.

I agree , in principle .

Knowledge and skill outweigh the "specialness" of a particular knife , for fieldcraft or SD . A knife like the Street Beat can serve most needs and still appear relatively non-threatening (as opposed to the CS Black Talon 2 or Spyderco Warrior ).

 

[marcinek]

I agree , in principle .

Knowledge and skill outweigh the "specialness" of a particular knife , for fieldcraft or SD . A knife like the Street Beat can serve most needs and still appear relatively non-threatening (as opposed to the CS Black Talon 2 or Spyderco Warrior ).

Again, strong agree on all counts. I think a "general purpose knife" might be more effective for someone untrained than one built for a specific SD style.