All Rounder Fixed Blade

Dont know how this deviated into PracTac territory - the neutral OP didnt even hint at SD let alone all out knife fighting.

As for long versus short knives; somebody doesnt hunt.

Skinning knives can be just a few inches and do stellar work.

As for the other bit and other assorted gore;

Granted, I try to avoid knife fights let alone having to stab anybody wildly one time and run.

But one inch or longer for penetration or not is IMO a moot point; Im willing to bet, that 99% of the population will become very suddenly 100% demotivated once their eye ball pops (really, guys - in GeeDee).

Doesnt much matter, if the blade can or can not penetrate any further.

Caveat; a Sastre, Im not.
 
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JDRanger said:
Here are some ideas from my collection. I’ve used them all and recommend each one. The list represents a pretty wide price range so hopefully it will open up some new options for you.
- Another vote for the G3. I have the warnecliffe and drop point. Both kick-a. The Nimbus finish is super cool.
- Benchmade Hidden Canyon is great. I’d go with the Dymondwood scales.
- DPx HEST is my favorite.
- ESEE Candiru (pretty small)
- ESEE Izula
- Real Steel Real Hunter is a really great value
- Southern Grind Jackel Pup is cool and kind of unique
- Tops Blue Otter - tough and practical plus looks great.
- Tops Tex Creek69 (not the XL) is probably my most versatile fixed blade but the 4” blade may be larger than what you are looking for.
- White River Backpacker
- Gerber USA Ghost Strike is way better than I expected and it has a cool ankle sheath for stealth as well as a traditional sheath
- Gerber USA Epic is also a surprisingly good knife that seems to match what you are looking for.

Maybe also take a look at the DPX HIT Cutter. It’s an inversion design. I’m using it more and more. Could be a sound choice but due to the blade profile at the tip it won’t be good for self defense.

Good luck.
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Dpx HIT. I think it could do ok in self defensive role because of its Fred Perrin like styling.

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Honestly it is probably not ideal as an all arounder if this is the only bladenyou plan on carrying.
 
That Hit looks like a rebranded one like many touted as camping knives on fleabay.

Okay, so the DPX could have come first and the other followed but Im willing to bet, it didnt.

Does the 'worlds premiere operator' still move any knives?
 
BladeScout said:
Dont know hiw this deviated into PracTac territory - the neutral OP didnt even hint at SD let alone all out knife fighting.

As for long versus short knives; somebody doesnt hunt.

Skinning knives can be just a few inches and do stellar work.

As for the other bit and other assorted gore;

Granted, I try to avoid knife fights let alone having to stab anybody wildly one time and run.

But one inch or longer for penetration or not is IMO a moot point; Im willing to bet, that 99% of the population will become very suddenly 100% demotivated once their eye ball pops (really, guys - in GeeDee).

Doesnt much matter, if the blade can or can not penetrate any further.

Caveat; a Sastre, Im not.
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Opps , yeah ... I do sometimes forget I'm not in PT , where I belong .

Sure you CAN do a lot with a short knife if necessary . But if you research meat processing knives or most any commercial working knife you'll find mostly longer . Except when precision is primary .
 
DocJD said:
Opps , yeah ... I do sometimes forget I'm not in PT , where I belong .

Sure you CAN do a lot with a short knife if necessary . But if you research meat processing knives or most any commercial working knife you'll find mostly longer . Except when precision is primary .
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:-) PracT; dont think you helped but in all fairness it started before your post - it just escalated quickly with the eye ball part ;-) :-)

Blade length; That is simply not true.

Granted, meat processing at a plant is one thing but as for hunting - which was what I mentioned - hunters in various countries use knives only two to four inches long. They work fine.

I know a few who use US knives, which are basically two finger holes and an exchangeable short blade like a hobby/Stanley knife. The name eludes me. I never owned one but they used to be or are still popular.

A few even prides themselves of using small so called 'Baron' folding knives for deer.

The knives are folding knives of but a couple of inches long with slim blades. Think pen knife.

When you are on the move hunting/walking through difficult terrain, few bother with meat processing knives from the abbatoir.

Besides, they are simply not needed and can be a drawback, as many hunters gut an animal by holding a finger along the spine of the knife reaching to the point, so as not to puncture anything that doesnt need poking - - for example the gall bladder. You DONT want that.

I use that technique when gutting deer.

I often use a short Scheppmann custom.

You can zip through a deer/whitetail with ease with far less than a full blown knife from a meat processing plant.
 
danbot said:
But we're not talking about knife fighting. We're talking about the off chance that once in your lifetime you may need to defend your life with the knife you are carrying.
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The problem with knives as self-defense tools is that the reach is so desperately short, practically the only way to make a serious disabling contact is to attack with them.

You can't even just lunge on someone who knows you have a knife... You reach towards anyone, and they are going to pull back. Hit you and pull back. Or hold you back with a stick, a chair, or simply by holding their bundled jacket in front. And for that moment you will look like an attacker, even if you were reacting...

Typically, someone will stay close enough to a knife wielder only when said wielder grabs them and pulls. That definitely looks like an attack... (It's also why the suspect having cut his "pulling" hand is the very first thing cops check in a car full of stabbing suspects...)

There is rarely a disabling cut that is truly defensive with a knife, unless you somehow manage to rigidly put your blade, just right, in the path of an incoming arm or leg... The rest of what you can do is inevitably going to look like an attack, because there are many layers of movements, distances and thicknesses of clothing to get through, and all of it moves violently backwards at the first suspicion of closeness (which is to say, before any actual contact)...

So yes, reach matters.

DocJD said:
SD is fighting . Those who believe otherwise , the police call "victims " . I'm not too interested in semantical arguments . Just hope you can understand my tactical logic .
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Exactly what I meant by this post.

Gaston
 
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Gaston444 said:
The problem with knives as self-defense tools is that the reach is so desperately short, practically the only way to make a serious disabling contact is to attack with them.

You can't even just lunge on someone who knows you have a knife... You reach towards anyone, and they are going to pull back. Hit you and pull back. Or hold you back with a stick, a chair, or simply by holding their bundled jacket in front. And for that moment you will look like an attacker, even if you were reacting...

Typically, someone will stay close enough to a knife wielder only when said wielder grabs them and pulls. That definitely looks like an attack... (It's also why the suspect having cut his "pulling" hand is the very first thing cops check in a car full of stabbing suspects...)

There is rarely a disabling cut that is truly defensive with a knife, unless you somehow manage to rigidly put your blade, just right, in the path of an incoming arm or leg... The rest of what you can do is inevitably going to look like an attack, because there are many layers of movements, distances and thicknesses of clothing to get through, and all of it moves violently backwards at the first suspicion of closeness (which is to say, before any actual contact)...

So yes, reach matters.

Gaston
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Are you saying reach matters so that it doesn't look like you are attacking someone when you attack them in "self defense"?:confused:
 
In these hypothetical SD encounters, imagining that the Delica/Endura has been used to nick an artery (not difficult), even if the aggressor does not bleed out, most police forces will look extremely carefully at the situation. You had better have been literally fighting for your life in the encounter to avoid prosecution, and without a weapon permit, which is unavailable in many countries to most people, you will need to convince the police and prosecutors that you had a bloody good reason other than SD for carrying it.

So, given these boring, real life factors, I’d prefer to face that hypothetical jury having sliced that hypothetical artery with a Delica rather than an Endura, any day of the week. It’s in the name and also in the internet trail.

If you care about life beyond the hypothetical SD encounter, then carrying a tacticool knife with no permit is just a gift to a prosecuting lawyer.

Personally I carry an Enzo PK70 when out and about. But then, I got 98% in anatomy at university. ;)
 
DocJD said:
"Reach" in martial arts has specific meaning . Imagine a compact person fighting a beanpole with very long limbs . Poor shorty can't begin to touch beanpole's vitals because he is outranged until he gets in very close . Meanwhile , beanpole can strike with near impunity .
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Yes but if shorty sticks very close to beanpole he will be at a range where beanpole's punches can not generate effective power.

Talking about fighting online has proven to be a fruitless excercise though. Too many people get caught up in the idea that they are the only ones who know how to fight. As if their way was the only way.
 
Gaston444 said:
You can't even just lunge on someone who knows you have a knife... You reach towards anyone, and they are going to pull back. Hit you and pull back.
Gaston
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Once again, you show your lack of knowledge.
It is apparent that you have done zero training in any sort of fighting art at all.
You just don't get it, and it shows every time you try imparting "wisdom" to others.
 
From the OP's list, I'd say the Izula is a good choice.
Probably the Izula 2 is the one I'd go with.

Useful, not too big, and doesn't cost a billion dollars.
Plus, he's already considering it!

So yeah, Izula 2.
 
Yes: best recommended list

Street Beat (liteweight model is also fairly inexpensive)

Guardian 3 sheepsfoot or wait for Guardian 3.5

Izula is always a popular choice.

You couldn't really go wrong with any of these.
 
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stabman stabman

Love ESEE but never wanted an Izula. People are so positive about them, but I don’t like exposed tang knives or paracord wrap. I guess I could spring for one with scales, but in my country, if I’m carrying an Izula I might as well be carrying one of these:

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It is a sad state of affairs.
 
I just went through the paces of looking for a small fixed blade. I already have a kabar tdi. I was going with an izula but the 1095 bothered me because of possible rust issues. I stumbled on a whiteriver backpacker/caper. I have the backpacker inbound. Neck or belt carry options. S30v steel.
 
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