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Alternatives to Swamp Rats

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Ian111, Apr 14, 2006.

  1. T.K.C.


    May 7, 2005
    I bought a Ranger RD6 for $89.94 including shipping!! I can not wait until it arrives!
  2. Cliff Stamp

    Cliff Stamp Banned BANNED

    Oct 5, 1998
    Lots of ABS smiths realize that knives may have to take concrete impacts, I was asked to do it by one specifically before Busse started with the live demo's. Most people working with large knives of that class realize that you will hit inclusions and dirt and rock when using large brush blades, even bark is filled with grit and dirt. Concrete blocks just provide a fairly uniform testing medium from one person to the next. As has been clearifed time and time again, it doesn't represent an actual specific piece of intended work, just like when Fikes cuts bundles of newsprint, few people actually needs to cut bundles of newsprint, it is just a test medium.

    Both run high flat grinds, 1/4" is a common steel stock, and 2" a common width, and INFI is a low alloy high toughness steel, similar to what many ABS forgers tend to run. The main difference is in edge geometry and this difference is not nearly as great as you like to imply.

    The latest one I handled, a Ratweiler was 0.035" x 20 degrees. You can't go significantly under this and still handle heavy wood working. And as has been pointed out to you every time you bring this up, Busse has made it clear that they will customize edges to user request.

  3. J85909266


    Jun 6, 2005
    I just wonder how a person can claim that knives are over priced when they don't know what production cost and time is, and how they can claim the price is only indicative of hype rather than performance when they have no testing or experiences to prove this, while the people they are attacking do.

    It all seems like sour grapes and silly brand alliances to me. What's the point in bashing people for collecting something they enjoy? I've never seen any of the Hogs or Rats here bashing other brands that offer good fixed blades, unless you consider stating and linking documented facts bashing, which I certainly don't.

    Nobody ever said you need a Busse or a Rat to fill your fixed blade needs, they have only stated that they are higher in performance and construction integrity than a lot of brands, and the results show that they certainly are in most cases, which reflects cost, and makes perfect sense to anybody that is willing to be rational about it.

    Basically, the anti-Busse/Rat rants are silly, unproductive and backed by nothing more than some sort of vendetta and no real sense at all.
  4. Walking Man

    Walking Man Banned BANNED

    May 28, 2003
    THIS statement is completely inaccurate.:thumbdn:
  5. beefangusbeef


    Dec 2, 2005
    My wife seems to think infi is overpriced. Maybe you should consult with her :D
  6. BenchMyke


    Mar 23, 2006
    I don't think saving literally hundreds of dollars is silly. It makes plenty of sense to someone who doesn't have extra money to throw to the four winds. You're saying that anyone who wants to save money has a vandetta?
  7. Eric Isaacson

    Eric Isaacson Pirate

    Dec 19, 1999
    Oh Crap! You have discovered our plot to take over the world. I'm the one on the grassy knoll, everyone thinks I'm holding an umbrella but it was really an early prototype of the Battle Mistress.

  8. RedEdge77


    Jul 13, 2005
    I have a becker knife and tool BK9 and it is a great knife that won't break the budget. I have only sharpened it once and this was due to a very small roll on the edge. I have batoned, chopped, sliced, pryed, and thrown this knife and all it has to show are a few beauty marks;) . That handle fits my hand nicely and i have medium sized hands.

    As for the whole busse argument: First of all i don't own a busse. All these guys standing up for the swamp and busse knives are that these are knives you will never ever have to worry about no matter what. The cold steel knife is a great camp knife for the money and is highly respected BUT it cannot take the abuse busse and swamp rat can. Period.
  9. Rat Finkenstein

    Rat Finkenstein Gold Member Gold Member

    May 18, 2005
    Anyone trying to convince other people that the knives they buy are “over hyped” because they cost more- has a vendetta . (Or is just plain ignorant) In your case, both seem to apply.
  10. J85909266


    Jun 6, 2005
    That's not what I said at all. The fact that you read what I said that way shows that you do have some sort of vendetta. If you don't want to spend the extra money on a Busse (Rats from the factory aren't really that expensive at all), then by all means, don't. You have every right to say that you don't want to spend that kind of money, and that the extra performance isn't necessary for you. However, to say they the extra performance isn't there simply isn't true, and it is bashing the company simply because they aren't for you.
  11. BenchMyke


    Mar 23, 2006
    I never stated that the performance wasn't there. Go back and see my post where I state that these knives are excellent knives. In the same thread, I didn't dispute that they would stay sharper longer. For me, it doesn't justify spending hundreds of dollars on because it will stay sharper a little longer than a $30 SRK. The name of this thread is Alternatives to Swamp Rats. Also, as I stated before, Go back in Tactical Knives magazine and look under the "Survival" section in each magazine for the last year and you'll see the Cold Steel getting the go ahead in almost every issue from real survivalist. I don't think they ever suggest getting a Busse/Rat in a single issue. Do these guys have vandettas also? I probably do have a vandetta against the idea that you need to spend hundreds of dollars to get a quality knife.
  12. J85909266


    Jun 6, 2005
    I know you've said it, but you've contradicted that statement 100 times over, so I can't really take you seriously. You have flat out stated that these companies are just hype and aren't worth the money. You can't concede and argue at the same time, man. It doesn't work like that.
  13. BenchMyke


    Mar 23, 2006
    100 times over huh? And I said it's not worth it to me. And, I'm not arguing, just offering an opinion. This thread will be well read and it will be left up to the individual what they want to do with the information here. No need to keep defending my opinions to the same people who attack anyone who has a negative opinion against Busse/Rats.
  14. RedEdge77


    Jul 13, 2005
    99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer, you take one down smash it around, 98 bottles of beer on the wall.......
  15. Rat Finkenstein

    Rat Finkenstein Gold Member Gold Member

    May 18, 2005
    What is a "vandetta"? :confused:
  16. fdchase


    Dec 17, 2005
    is there a negative opinion about the knives and their capabilities or just a negative opinion about the enthusiasm of the owners/users/fans? or is it a matter of what one should pay or is willing to pay for a knife?

    w/out splitting hairs or tackling semantics the sentiments of some posts seem to be: "i don't like Busse or Swamp rat"

    this, i don't understand.
    if a knife cannot do what it claims it can, it is overhyped.
    if it can do what it claims, it is a good knife.
    if i can afford a good knife, that is good for me.
    if i can't afford a good knife, that is unfortunate for me.
    if i had the knowledge and patience, i could probably make a pointed stick or jagged rock perform on a level as some manufactured knives. yay.

    i've had a few inexpensive knives over the years and all of them did anything i ever required of them. no complaints.

    i will not dislike a knife company that can perform well and back it up w/ a warranty( unless they publicly support terrorism and/or pedophilia)

    tact, patience, understanding would serve everyone well in online discussions.

    i have an RD7, i like it. i am waiting for a HR and RW(i will not pay 300 for them on ebay, i will wait) i hope i like them too.

    SR's are worth 100-200 according to SR homepage. some will pay much more. i will pay 100-200 dollars for a good knife. yay me. some will pay more, some will pay less- yay them.
    that is all.
  17. J85909266


    Jun 6, 2005
    Nah, I'm done.:eek:
  18. T.K.C.


    May 7, 2005
    Ian111: Did you choose an alternative out of any of the good info here? I do hope you got some good info. out of this.
  19. beefangusbeef


    Dec 2, 2005
    Green and Tan G-10. He gave me a sheet of about a thousand, well not quite, different colors and materials to choose. I like tantos, but I like recurves so I figured eh why not both!
  20. Hondo.3


    Oct 28, 2005
    Himalayan Imports makes tough knives. Their prices are reasonable, and they stand behind their products. A Kumar Karda is a solid piece with a 6" blade of handforged 3/16" 5160. It costs $60. Mine was shaving sharp. If you can see the character in the imperfections, it might be a good knife for you.

    Then, of course, there are the khukuris. You can get a lot of steel for your dollar. The guarantee on their Chiruwa Ang Khola is crazy. If you can break it, they'll give you two. Not even Busse and Swamp Rat offer a guarantee like that.

    Edited to correct spelling.

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