Altoid PSK for BSA

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I'm saving up tins for my son's patrol. These boys are 11-12 years old and working toward their second class rank. I want to put together a psk project so that each of them make one to take to summer camp so thought I'd turn to the experts. What items are MUST haves and what would you strongly encourage for boys this age? Pictures would be welcome too.

Thanks in advance for your support of our troop!
 
matches or a mini bic
needles
thread
duct tape or electrical tape
fatwood
single bladed SAK
fishingline and hooks sinkers and like 2 rubber worms
whistle
signal mirror
space blanket
paracord
 
rather then a small 1 bladed knife, opt for a multitool, even if it's a cheapo, they come in really handy in urban or the wild + you can find some small ones for the convenience of keeping a restraint size of the PSK .

-multitool
-small led light
-button compass
-small film roll stuffed with dry tinder or lint from your dryer.
- 3 methods to start a fire (small bic lighter, 3-4 water proof matches, a ferro rod)
- some GI toilet paper (wiping your *** with leaves can lead to Hem***** or unwanted rashes)
- small diamond sharpner

I think with all the items posted so far, the boys will certainly have a PSK to make others drool over.:D:D
 
water tablet, aspirin, alcohol pads, gauze, tin foil
You shouldn't give aspirin to adolescents due to the risks of Reye's syndrome. IMO, antihistamines would be far more valuable in a PSK for kids and adults, with all the food and bee allergies in the world.
 
While all of the supplies listed above are great.....scouts tend to love fire. You might want to focus a bit more on fire lighting. Perhaps homemade techniques such as charcloth, wax eggcartons, and the straw match. I should know going for my Eagle rank now what scouts love these days!

Good luck!
 
Immodium.

Katadyn Micro-Pur tablets, a half dozen with strict instructions not to touch them, etc., because they're not the most pleasant things to deal with but you need them.

One-liter Nalgene bottle - can't fit in a tin, but everyone should have them. Teach them to treat the water in that and to tip it upside down when the water is in it with the cap just loosened to treat the water in the threads of the lid area.

If the kid is allergic to bees, s/he shouldn't be out in the woods without two Epi-Pens, Jr. or Standard, depending on what s/he Doctor Rxs for. Antihistamines are only going to do so much, i.e., very little, for a real bee allergy.

They should also be well-versed in how to use them. I taught my son how to use his on a lemon with one of his Epi-Pens when it went out of date.
 
Thanks for all the input guys! Lots of good ideas that I think think the Scouts will take to.

Yes, Scouts LOVE fire, in fact we've got that mostly covered, but I was wondering if it would be worth it to waterproof some matches with wax or stick with a small bic and a fire starter instead?

Also, any suggestions on where to find decent, small and inexpensive items for the kits?
 
two things I have in my Altoid PSKs are:
1) Leatherman Micra. It has a tweezers, scissors and knife plus other nice tools in a very small size.

b) Length of drinking straw with a couple of vaseline soaked cotton balls inserted. They fit along a side of the tin and don't take up much space.

Chad

P.S. I know, it was a joke ;)
 
I would include a few birthday candles. Makes keeping the fire lit a lot easier. Firestraws are good as well.

As for where to get gear. Most of the gear that goes into an Altoids kit is very inexpensive. With the exception of button compasses and a ferro rod if you include it, almost everything else can be gotten at your local dollar store.

As an Eagle since 1986, Thank You for making the time to support your local Scouts.
 
As an Eagle since 1986, Thank You for making the time to support your local Scouts.

My pleasure and privilege! Unfortunately, the Scouts don't get the respect they deserve these days. But as far as I'm concerned, it's still the best place to build life and leadership skills in a young man.

Speaking of cheap stuff to add to the kits... a good friend of mine owns Mountain Sports ( you can find them online .com ) He had some thermometers/button compass freebies, the kind that you put on your ski jacket or pack, that he donated to the cause. The thermometer wasn't very useful because of a design flaw so I popped the button compass outta of the frame and tossed the rest. I'm left with a pretty good little compass. It's not as nice as I could buy but we need to set up 10 kits and free is a lot better than $4-6 per kit.

Can you guys tell me how you seal the fire starter straws? Seems like I remember a post about it but I can't seem to find it.
 
Easiest way I know of is to heat either end over open flame, and then crimp with a pair of pliars.


Gautier
 
Yes, Scouts LOVE fire, in fact we've got that mostly covered, but I was wondering if it would be worth it to waterproof some matches with wax or stick with a small bic and a fire starter instead?

Remember, if you waterproof matches the correct way, i.e., where you will get the best results, you need a double-boiler. You don't want to melt wax in a regular little saucepan or anything because it can flash on you and that's not something you want to deal with.

The other thing is, anyone can operate a Bic or Zippo lighter, I don't think most kids need to be "taught" that per se. I would really get them going with a BSA Hot Spark ferro rod and steel. Cotton balls and XXXX steel wool. You can get the steel wool (XXXX is best) at a hardware store and if they don't have it then you might have to resort to the paint department at Wal-Mart where they will have bread loaf sized bundles of it for about $3.00, buy several and several bags of 100% Cotton Balls and NOT synthetic fake "cotton" balls.

Buy a couple bags of them as well and have them do "Fire Races." Get everyone with a properly constructed fire and then give them the signal and let them blast off with the ferro rods and steel.

Also, any suggestions on where to find decent, small and inexpensive items for the kits?

I don't have the link handy, but the Boy Scout Website that sells compasses and whatnot has the BSA Hot Spark and they're only about $2.50 a piece!
 
Just a thought. Drug stores sell pads of compressed cotton, used to remove makeup. They take up less space an only need to be "teased" to fluff them up. 'Course, compressing it into a plastic straw, as suggested by Chad, gets to the same place.

Maybe a little plastic whistle?

Or a balloon? You can make great, high-pitched noises with a balloon - if you don't need to use it as tinder or to hold water. Or use it to blow on the beginnings of a fire. Use a bright color (bright orange) so it can be used to signal visually.

Glue aluminum foil into the lid - shiny side up = reflector for signaling.

Dental floss for thread (needle has to fit) and to lash together framework for fleid-expedient shelter.
 
Funny... I just put together an example Altoid PSK for a camporee I helped run, with the WS theme. (I'm a Boy Scout myself.)

One little trick for Altoids tins is, instead of including a mirror, spend a few minutes buffing up the inside of the lid, because they can get really shiny. There's your signal mirror!

The one I made had:
* Mini Bic
* Small lockblade (some cheap brand, seeing as it was an example)
* 3 fishhooks, short amount of line
* Duct Tape
* Nylon string, very similar to paracord except 1). It packs down very well and 2). It slips easily, so it makes a great snare.
* Polished lid for mirror

I explained the multitude of other options for survival items, and why some people may want to use a slightly larger container, in order to accommodate more items.
The event went beautifully, and I'm expecting feedback from many of the kids with their own PSK designs.
 
If the kid is allergic to bees, s/he shouldn't be out in the woods without two Epi-Pens, Jr. or Standard, depending on what s/he Doctor Rxs for. Antihistamines are only going to do so much, i.e., very little, for a real bee allergy.

They should also be well-versed in how to use them. I taught my son how to use his on a lemon with one of his Epi-Pens when it went out of date.

The epinephrine in the Epi-Pen is a first-line measure. It keeps your throat from constricting and closing off the airway. Long-term treatment requires antihistamines to reduce the inflammation. Normal protocol for someone with a bee-sting allergy is to use the epi-pen, then call an ambulance - the EMTs will administer an antihistamine and possibly steroids. If you're in the backcountry, you better have some Benadryl handy after you use your epi-pen, or you're going to be back in trouble in about 20 or 30 minutes.

I got my info from the SOLO wilderness first aid course. Obviously, you have some direct experience with your son - if you have better information, I'd be interested in hearing it. I'm not a doctor, and it would seem like anyone who has a serious allergy (to bees or otherwise) and expects to be away from fast emergency response should discuss post epi-pen measures with his or her doctor.

Also, there's an epi-pen trainer for the auto pens. It works like the standard autoinjector, without the needle. It's a good training tool, and you can use it many times for repeated practice.

Some links:

Discussion of what type of drugs are administered by EMTs -
http://firstaid.webmd.com/bee_and_wasp_stings_treatment_firstaid.htm

Technical discussion of treatment, including specific drugs, indications, and effects:
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic55.htm#section~treatment



Sorry for the thread-jacking. As far as the kit, I would start with 10 essentials in the BSA handbook. The Wilderness Survival merit badge pamphlet would also be a good resource - scouts interested in the psks will probably be interested in getting the merit badge later.

1 quart plastic bags make a good emergency water container - the kit could go in this if scouts are going to be careful, otherwise it could be double-bagged or folded up.

folding razor blade (available at county comm for cheap) might be a good blade alternative. I have some concern about the blade folding up, but it's very compact, inexpensive, and better than a bare razor blade. My first choice would be a locking blade, like the spyderco ladybug.

Small saw - I always use the standard wire saw, but there is a folding saw similar to the folding razor blade. If you want to buy in bulk for many kits, the manufacturer is the Derma-Safe company.

LED light - good for signaling, OK for route finding. Also available inexpensively at CountyComm.

+1 on the hot spark or similar sparker.

Possibly a few feet of surveyor's tape? It would run counter to standard "lost" protocol (stay put) to use this as a trail marker, but it could be used for signaling - tie at head-height on a tree or make a small flag to wave. If someone is looking for you, either would make you more visible, especially if you fall asleep during the night.

Small card with survival tips/positive mental attitude stuff.

Sounds like a great project, keep us updated on the results!
 
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