Am I the only one who does not own a folder?

[WillB]

Given that the primary purpose of knives is as a cutting implement (something that WillB has decided is unimportant),

Never said any such thing. Either your reading comp sucks, or you're a trolling D bag. Take your pick.

 

[Quiet]

Never said any such thing. Either your reading comp sucks, or you're a trolling D bag. Take your pick.

I find it interesting that you resort to name calling because you're angry that your stance has been dismantled. I apologize for ruining your day.

 

[danbot]

I do enjoy this knife on my belt from time to time, carried in CM style. I’ll still carry a folder with it though.

But, could you flip that car with your folder? I don't think so!

 

[WillB]

I do enjoy this knife on my belt from time to time, carried in CM style. I’ll still carry a folder with it though.

That is an impressive looking folder to be sure. I like it.

 

[22-rimfire]

But "...you don't actually need a cutting tool?" as a response is accurate you say? Ok bro, no trolling there.

Your post that was referenced was a bit unusual in that it appeared to downplay the need for a good cutting tool rather than the knife being primarily a good cutting tool.

I like knives. I was tickled to death with the White River Backpacker Pro when I got it. Then I used it and it didn't cut as well as I thought it should. But if you consider the Backpacker Pro to be the only knife carried backpacking, some strength might be needed if for nothing else so that the knife doesn't get broken leaving the backpacker with no knife at all. We all know how important a knife is in the woods? I think about the fixed blades I carry and never use. I called them woods jewelry in another thread if you have a folder with you.

 

[Eli Chaps]

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That's something I had not considered, but that's low on my list of concerns, but a good point for those using their knives that care about such things. I open boxes, cut a sandwich, but rope, etc with my EDC fixed and a nice cut per se is very low on the list of proprieties. No moving parts, concerns of lock up, lube, washers, strength, speed of deployment, etc are higher on the priorities list for me.

Uh...what?

 

[The Aflac Duck]

He's trolling and you damn well know it. If you wanna defend your pal and pretend otherwise, be my guest. If you'd like to interpret what he's trying to say minus the trolling and obvious continued attempts to take out of context my comments to troll, be my guest.



Depending on what I'm wearing/cut of the pocket, only thing one can see from the EDC fixed I posed before is the clip. If I don't want the clip to show, and or, shallow angle of the pocket makes some of the handle pike out, I will either drop into the pocket, or go IWB as needed.

I’m not pretending anything, this isn’t kindergarten where we pretend to be astronauts and firefighters. It’s a discussion thread, and I thought we’re simply discussing a topic?

As to your second paragraph, I see no point in slipping the entire knife and sheath into my pocket. That completely defeats the point of carrying a knife for convenience, and besides, how deep are your pockets? IWB just isn’t for me with a knife, it took me long enough to feel comfortable with having a 9mm pointed towards my bag of tricks.

 

[Quiet]

Your post that was referenced was a bit unusual in that it appeared to downplay the need for a good cutting tool rather than the knife being primarily a good cutting tool.

I like knives. I was tickled to death with the White River Backpacker Pro when I got it. Then I used it and it didn't cut as well as I thought it should. But if you consider the Backpacker Pro to be the only knife carried backpacking, some strength might be needed if for nothing else so that the knife doesn't get broken leaving the backpacker with no knife at all. We all know how important a knife is in the woods? I think about the fixed blades I carry and never use. I called them woods jewelry in another thread if you have a folder with you.

This is where I'm at with it. If I'm carrying a fixed blade, it's because I am going woodswalking/camping/etc. A fixed blade does make sense in those sorts of scenarios where the additional strength of a fixed blade is useful because I might be faced with a situation wherein I have to use a knife as something other than a knife. However, in my daily use, such a situation doesn't exist, and so a folder* and all of its designed convenience in carry and use advantages is the clear winner.


*Most of which have thinner grinds than most of the "small EDC" fixed blades on the market

 

[Quiet]

I’m not pretending anything, this isn’t kindergarten where we pretend to be astronauts and firefighters. It’s a discussion thread, and I thought we’re simply discussing a topic?

As to your second paragraph, I see no point in slipping the entire knife and sheath into my pocket. That completely defeats the point of carrying a knife for convenience, and besides, how deep are your pockets? IWB just isn’t for me with a knife, it took me long enough to feel comfortable with having a 9mm pointed towards my bag of tricks.

I can't help but point out that The Aflac Duck here is one of the members with a very long history of posting up pictures of his hard use knives. He is a construction contractor who has beaten the absolute nonsense out of most of the knives he's carried while on his jobsites, using them harder than most of the folks on this board ever will and (snaps fingers) just the craziest thing...

They've all been folders.

So, I'm really curious as to what daily shenanigans some folks get up to that requires a small three inch/three and a half inch fixed blade because somehow a quality folding knife still isn't good enough.

 

[WillB]

Your post that was referenced was a bit unusual in that it appeared to downplay the need for a good cutting tool rather than the knife being primarily a good cutting tool.

And I'd thought I'd defined "nice cuts" vs other cutting uses with "nice cuts" not a priority, which a thinner blade from a folder might deliver. That seemed clear to me, but if not, I hope I have clarified the position. I do prefer thicker blades as I am more interested in strength from all angles than say a fine thin cut delivered to an apple or a piece of paper, which was how I interpreted "nice cuts" vs simply the act of cutting something per se. Make sense?

I like knives. I was tickled to death with the White River Backpacker Pro when I got it. Then I used it and it didn't cut as well as I thought it should. But if you consider the Backpacker Pro to be the only knife carried backpacking, some strength might be needed if for nothing else so that the knife doesn't get broken leaving the backpacker with no knife at all. We all know how important a knife is in the woods? I think about the fixed blades I carry and never use. I called them woods jewelry in another thread if you have a folder with you.

And I prefer that strength in all my knives and the uber simplicity of the fixed, and don't actually find folders easier to conceal when/if the right fixed EDC is used. Does that make sense?

 

[Quiet]

WillB The good news is that there's a knife that I think would be right up your alley. It's available over on CountyComm's website. Search out the EOD Robotics breacher bar. That'll definitely deliver what you're looking for: not great at cutting, but ultimate prying strength. I know, I know, you'll have to get a sheath made, but other than that, it's perfect.

 

[WillB]

I’m not pretending anything, this isn’t kindergarten where we pretend to be astronauts and firefighters. It’s a discussion thread, and I thought we’re simply discussing a topic?

I thought so to, until he started trolling. Nice to have discussions minus obvious trolling.

As to your second paragraph, I see no point in slipping the entire knife and sheath into my pocket. That completely defeats the point of carrying a knife for convenience, and besides, how deep are your pockets? IWB just isn’t for me with a knife, it took me long enough to feel comfortable with having a 9mm pointed towards my bag of tricks.

IWB with handguns definitely takes practice and getting used to, but no one ever blew their nads off with blade IWB. While I don't do that often (as it's rare the pants I'm wearing don't have deep enough pockets) it's perfectly comfortable I find. If not comfortable, then comforting at least.

 

[Quiet]

I thought so to, until he started trolling. Nice to have discussions minus obvious trolling.



IWB with handguns definitely takes practice and getting used to, but no one ever blew their nads off with blade IWB. While I don't do that often (as it's rare the pants I'm wearing don't have deep enough pockets) it's perfectly comfortable I find. If not comfortable, then comforting at least.

"I don't need a knife that cuts well, I just want ultimate strength and something that's "comforting". I need a prybar instead. STOP TROLLING ME by pointing this out!!!"

 

[22-rimfire]

.....IWB with handguns definitely takes practice and getting used to, but no one ever blew their nads off with blade IWB. While I don't do that often (as it's rare the pants I'm wearing don't have deep enough pockets) it's perfectly comfortable I find. If not comfortable, then comforting at least.

I refuse to buy or wear pants with a larger waist size just to slip a gun (IWB) behind my waist band. I feel the same way about knives although you probably don't have to buy a larger waist size (pants) with most knives. This is sort of out of my area as I just don't consider this method of carry. I did with a gun a few years ago and punted after spending money for a special holster and so forth.

Inserting a fixed blade knife into a pocket sheath is pure ignorance without removing the sheath first. I do value my nads more than that to have a sharp thing pointed right at them during the knife-in-sheath insertion. Plus to top it off, you can't sit down comfortably with a pocket sheath for a fixed blade that is big enough to use. The slips work okay, but I view them mostly for traditional knives that you just don't want to get banged up on coins and keys in the same pocket.

Fixed blades are great, but for most of us I think we would hesitate to remove the knife to cut something in front of other people unless they are friends. Even Charlie Mike carried a folder too. He did this because he wanted to and it was legal. But he was not allowed to carry a handgun.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

I refuse to buy or wear pants with a larger waist size just to slip a gun (IWB) behind my waist band.

I’m guilty of buying several new pairs of jeans with a larger waist for this exact reason Then again, I do carry a fairly large double stack CZ.

 

[WillB]

I refuse to buy or wear pants with a larger waist size just to slip a gun (IWB) behind my waist band. I feel the same way about knives although you probably don't have to buy a larger waist size (pants) with most knives. This is sort of out of my area as I just don't consider this method of carry. I did with a gun a few years ago and punted after spending money for a special holster and so forth.

For sure, no pant sizes changes needed for a knife, and as mentioned, rarely needed on my end. When needed, needed for the same reason I would not want a clip to be showing for a folder. One can dress around their EDC or attempt to fit their EDC to what they're wearing. For me, lucky enough I can do the former most of the time, so comfort and concealment can be maximized. If I had to work in an office say and wear specific clothes, might be a different matter. Pistol wise: sub compact single stack pistols with the right holster don't tend to require specially sized pants either, but again, IWB is my last choice and only chosen out of rare necessity vs preference.

Inserting a fixed blade knife into a pocket sheath is pure ignorance without removing the sheath first. I do value my nads more than that to have a sharp thing pointed right at them during the knife-in-sheath insertion. Plus to top it off, you can sit down comfortably with a pocket sheath for a fixed blade that is big enough to use. The slips work okay, but I view them mostly for traditional knives that you just don't want to get banged up on coins and keys in the same pocket.

I really can't picture someone inserting a fixed blade knife into a pocket sheath without removing the sheath first, but I'm sure someone does it, just as (amazingly) some replaced their IWB gun while not removing their finger from the trigger followed by a loud boom.

Fixed blades are great, but for most of us I think we would hesitate to remove the knife to cut something in front of other people unless they are friends. Even Charlie Mike carried a folder too. He did this because he wanted to and it was legal. But he was not allowed to carry a handgun.

Legality, and other factors you mention, are another issue. Folders may be exactly the right choice for some, and no place did I claim otherwise. I do think the actual benefits of folders are vastly overrated however.

 

[evilgreg]

*Most of which have thinner grinds than most of the "small EDC" fixed blades on the market

This is a pet peeve I have after buying a bunch of popular small fixed blades--why make a knife the size of a paring knife with blade stock thicker than a good machete? It makes no sense, why would a tiny knife ever need to be so stout in any practical use? I have a 14" Tramontina machete that is ~2mm blade stock that I've abused, chopping through limbs too that are too stout for a machete, banging it off the occasional rock, and the thing is straight unkillable. A tiny Bradford G3's blade is nearly twice as thick . . .

That Zubeng at the top is about the same size as one of the Bradford's I bought (a Guardian 3, I think) but it's much thinner behind the edge and cuts circles around the Bradford. In the photo I posted in WillB 's other thread that's up now the Dalman and the Arno Bernard are both great cutters as well. The two neckers in that photo do okay, but are a fair bit thicker behind the edge than the other three.

 

[Quiet]

For sure, no pant sizes changes needed for a knife, and as mentioned, rarely needed on my end. When needed, needed for the same reason I would not want a clip to be showing for a folder. One can dress around their EDC or attempt to fit their EDC to what they're wearing. For me, lucky enough I can do the former most of the time, so comfort and concealment can be maximized. If I had to work in an office say and wear specific clothes, might be a different matter. Pistol wise: sub compact single stack pistols with the right holster don't tend to require specially sized pants either, but again, IWB is my last choice and only chosen out of rare necessity vs preference.



I really can't picture someone inserting a fixed blade knife into a pocket sheath without removing the sheath first, but I'm sure someone does it, just as (amazingly) some replaced their IWB gun while not removing their finger from the trigger followed by a loud boom.



Legality, and other factors you mention, are another issue. Folders may be exactly the right choice for some, and no place did I claim otherwise. I do think the actual benefits of folders are vastly overrated however.

It is absolutely hysterical to me that you make the statement that the benefits of folders are "vastly overrated" at the same time you admit that you would need to remove the sheath from your pocket before putting the fixed blade back in it. I mean...I don't even know how else to describe the logic disconnect here.

 

[22-rimfire]

For sure, no pant sizes changes needed for a knife, and as mentioned, rarely needed on my end. When needed, needed for the same reason I would not want a clip to be showing for a folder. One can dress around their EDC or attempt to fit their EDC to what they're wearing. For me, lucky enough I can do the former most of the time, so comfort and concealment can be maximized. If I had to work in an office say and wear specific clothes, might be a different matter. Pistol wise: sub compact single stack pistols with the right holster don't tend to require specially sized pants either, but again, IWB is my last choice and only chosen out of rare necessity vs preference.

I really can't picture someone inserting a fixed blade knife into a pocket sheath without removing the sheath first, but I'm sure someone does it.

Legality, and other factors you mention, are another issue. Folders may be exactly the right choice for some, and no place did I claim otherwise. I do think the actual benefits of folders are vastly overrated however.

I played around with the IWB carry for a while and got frustrated. I'm looking at the new NAA Mini Revolver (either Sidewinder or Ranger II models) for pants pocket carry. Always something.... Already have several handguns that I can pocket carry, but looking for something else. My favorite gun carry approach is OWB with a shirt hanging down over it.

You had to sneak that last comment (bolded part) in at the end of your post! You're entitled to your opinion and beliefs.

 

[Quiet]

This is a pet peeve I have after buying a bunch of popular small fixed blades--why make a knife the size of a paring knife with blade stock thicker than a good machete? It makes no sense, why would a tiny knife ever need to be so stout in any practical use? I have a 14" Tramontina machete that is ~2mm blade stock that I've abused, chopping through limbs too that are too stout for a machete, banging it off the occasional rock, and the thing is straight unkillable. A tiny Bradford G3's blade is nearly twice as thick . . .

That Zubeng at the top is about the same size as one of the Bradford's I bought (a Guardian 3, I think) but it's much thinner behind the edge and cuts circles around the Bradford. In the photo I posted in WillB 's other thread that's up now the Dalman and the Arno Bernard are both great cutters as well. The two neckers in that photo do okay, but are a fair bit thicker behind the edge than the other three.

I saw that picture, definitely some good looking knives there. I have a small knife that actually looks nearly identical to that Zubeng that I picked up from a maker here years ago. The leather sheathe it came with is huge though, so it would fill up my entire pocket. I own that little knife that's the second one down, and it actually brings to mind my biggest issue: fingers on grip. That is absolutely a three finger knife for me. That by itself is an absolute disconnect in design intent in my eyes. "We know you want to carry something stronger than a folding knife, but we're going to make it super small so you can't get a full, comfortable grip on it." That just has never made sense to me. In any case, that's my whole issue with this ridiculous "Folding knives versus pocket fixed blade knives." Folders are fully realized designs, whereas pocket/necker fixed blades just seem to be nothing but compromises in design in order to get the whole "fixed blade, but one you can carry in a pocket" idea to work.