Americans to pay millions to recapture battle flags

maximus otter said:
"The War of Independence plays such an important part in American popular ideology that references to it are especially prone to exaggeration and oversimplification.

...it was also a world war (the Americans could scarcely have won without French help)."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/state/empire/rebels_redcoats_01.shtml

maximus otter

I agree, but your source being British kind of softens the blow of the argument, eh?


Edit:
I notice the end of the article says "the patriots had always been likely to win, provided they struggled on and avoided outright defeat." A little inconsistant with the previous statement.

That's easy to say, since the starting point was defeat. What if the British had "won?" What would they do then, impose military presence and economic control over the colonies? It would be pretty easy for the rebels to maintain the status quo until they won, whenever that might have eventually been.

More accurately would be to say the patriots were always likely to win "eventually." Even if the French didn't help at that point, the colonies had the benefit of being able to hold out indefinitely until better opportunity (such as the French) came along.
 
shaldag said:
now now, Maximus. You did lose.
Nobody is going to talk to Maximus like that. He's never wrong. I say let's invade England like K.V. suggested. I'm going with these guys.
0711movie_patriot.jpg
 
Cindy Denning said:
Nobody is going to talk to Maximus like that. He's never wrong. I say let's invade England like K.V. suggested. I'm going with these guys.
0711movie_patriot.jpg

Cindy, for Historical accuracy.
 
Carl64 said:
It's not a symbol of defeat, it's a symbol of the rebellion.
Yes, I'm sure the losers of those battles felt great because our symbols of rebellion were forced on the Brits. :p

K.V. Collucci said:
blah blah blah dressed as the Queen blah
You're not really doing this for the flags, are you? :D :D :D
 
K.V. Collucci said:
If anyone is interested I'm organizing a raiding party to retreive our American flags and deal the dirty English dogs a blow to their egos. I may even take a crap on Buckingham Palace's lawn and bungy jump off of Tower Bridge dressed as the Queen while I'm at it. Who's with me?!!!! :p
Count me in :D
 
powells85 said:
Count me in :D
You do realize you and K.V. will have to skid across the grounds to ummm...clean up. It would be worth it to see that and the bungee jumping! Oh Yoo-Hoo, Prince William!!!!:cool:
 
maximus otter said:
Err... no-one, K.V.

I may even have to increase my meds to erase that image.

I do hope that visual stays with you through out retirement.... :eek:


maximus otter said:
Butt-whipping indeed!

"The War of Independence plays such an important part in American popular ideology that references to it are especially prone to exaggeration and oversimplification.

...it was also a world war (the Americans could scarcely have won without French help)."

Really now maximus- WE won the war and still are superior to our elder brothers... do you want to try again there mate?

SERIOUSLY, WHY do you keep coming to an american forum CONSTANTLY taking jabs at the US- Why do the moderators allow it? It sickens me. I have seen it and said things about it before and can't believe you keep spouting your anti american drivel. You constantly butt in and point out things in AMERICAN legal items as self defense etc. As though you are an authority here. We know brittain has no crime and that the bobbies have no corruption and have ended crime but keep it to yourself man. Spout your junk on brittish and french forums where it may be appreciated.:mad:


Now Ken- bungee jumping dressed as the queen- at least you would not need to change the way you dress :p
 
I wish that everyone were as anti-American as Maximus Otter.

I would hope that anyone who has spent most of his life in "Her Majesty's Service" would have patriotic feelings about the home team.
 
I imagine someone forgot this *wasn't* W&C.
I certainly didn't take it seriously, and I somehow doubt MO will be chucking himself into Tanavaig Bay about it.
 
Keep it civil or I'm locking the thread. :grumpy:
 
Paul, Maximus has been very respectful of the US since I've known him on here. He's Bladeforums resident historian, too. I've learned a lot of history of the British empire, and even about the United States. He's a valued, and one of the most mature and respected members of Bladeforums.

(don't take mature as old :D :p Max)

KV, I don't wanna see you dressed up like the Queen, but I'll join the raiding party too.

(Now I have Freddie Mercury screaming Bohemian Rhapsody in my ear, thanks a lot)
 
Plenty of American history books say similar things to what MO brought up. There was a lot more to the revolution than pure and simple butt whooping. It's not anti-American to state facts and some fairly reasonable opinions.
 
silenthunterstudios said:
He's a valued, and one of the most mature and respected members of Bladeforums.

:eek:

soa said:
I somehow doubt MO will be chucking himself into Tanavaig Bay about it.

8^)

Humble thanks for all the good thoughts coming my way.

For some, err, inexplicable reason, I don't receive comments from tallpaul...

;)

maximus otter
 
maximus otter said:
:eek:



8^)

Humble thanks for all the good thoughts coming my way.

For some, err, inexplicable reason, I don't receive comments from tallpaul...

;)

maximus otter

Now thats not all true- I did wish you well on your move :p

I guess some things strike me wrong in some patriotic/redneck way

Now ken as far as be'in civil- I won't infer that you have queen attire in your wardrobe anymore...:)
 
Carl64 said:
Plenty of American history books say similar things to what MO brought up. There was a lot more to the revolution than pure and simple butt whooping. It's not anti-American to state facts and some fairly reasonable opinions.

Yep plenty of books and articles are written yet today by biased anti-american
self proclaimed intelegentsia too... :rolleyes:

In reality the truth is bent by both sides to one degree or another.
 
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