Americans to pay millions to recapture battle flags

Is it just the painting, or does he look like a huge fruit? Damn flag stealer!
 
tallpaul said:
I do hope that visual stays with you through out retirement.... :eek:




Really now maximus- WE won the war and still are superior to our elder brothers... do you want to try again there mate?

SERIOUSLY, WHY do you keep coming to an american forum CONSTANTLY taking jabs at the US- Why do the moderators allow it? It sickens me. I have seen it and said things about it before and can't believe you keep spouting your anti american drivel. You constantly butt in and point out things in AMERICAN legal items as self defense etc. As though you are an authority here. We know brittain has no crime and that the bobbies have no corruption and have ended crime but keep it to yourself man. Spout your junk on brittish and french forums where it may be appreciated.:mad:


Now Ken- bungee jumping dressed as the queen- at least you would not need to change the way you dress :p
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I've never known MO to be anything less than respectful... you on the other hand... but I'm still in on the UK invasion.
 
tknife said:
Is it just the painting, or does he look like a huge fruit?
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Tarleton had a long and stormy relationship with the most beautiful courtesan in England, Mrs. Mary "Perdita" Robinson:

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maximus otter
 
Bloody hell. If that was "the most beautiful courtesan in England", what did the rest of them look like?
 
OK, OK; you try finding pictures of an 18th century tart using Google Images!

This one might show her off to better advantage:

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maximus otter

PS: I can heartily recommend the book, which I've just finished.
 
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these flags have significant historical importance and i expect them to fetch a high price

tarleton is one of the revolutionary wars more interesting figures. he was a very competent and highly aggresive calvary commander who inspired much fear. however, his poor performance at cowpens was a major blow to british operations in the south

while most battles involving the regualar forces of the revolutionary war had relatively few casualties in comparison to 19th and 20th century wars..it also had a significant degree of partisan warfare...and atrocities by both patriot and loyalist forces were very common

tarleton is best remembered on this side of the atlantic for the waxhaw massacre...where no quarter was given to the defeated american forces in stark violation of the usual "rules of war" for the time.
 
tarsier said:
The Battle of Cowpens, when most of Tarleton's force was captured or cut to ribbons by a much smaller force of colonial militia, was the beginning of the end for him.
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Thoughts on the Battle ofCowpens and on Col. Banastre Tarleton

Cowpens was NOT a victory for the militia, it was a victory for Daniel Morgan and his Continental Regiments. What Morgan persuaded the militia to do was to stand firm for two volleys and then to retreat in good order rather than fleeing in panic, as was their normal mode. When they did this, Tarleton's British and Loyalist toops, tired from marching all night and hungry from no breakfast, made the classic mistake of thinking that the enemy had broken and charged headlong into the American line. There they were met by Morgan's Continentals who had receved their training from Von Steuben at Valley Forge and who stood firm and traded volleys with the British just as any trained regulars would have done, then the Continentals charged the Brits with bayonets, something that the British had not expected from Americans. The British broke and ran, leavimg the victory to Morgan. This battle destroyed Cornwallis' Central Thrust up through the Carolina Piedmont, his Western Thrust having been destroyed by militia of "Overmountain Men" at Kings Mountain.

As to Tarleton, he was, with "Light Horse Harry" Lee, one of the two best cavalry commanders in the Revolutionary War. Lee was, of course, the father of an even more famous son, Robert E. Lee. There is superb biography of Tarleton available, used, from Amazon. it is The Green Dragoon: The Lives of Banastre Tarleton and Mary Robinson (Paperback), by Robert D. Bass. I have had the book for years and have read it a number of times.

Regarding the film, "The Patriot", let me just say that the portrayal of Tarleton as ordering the burning of churches with the colonists inside them is a fabrication. While it is true that a British officer, a Col. Lord Rawdon, did burn empty churches on the grounds that they were all Presbyterian or Congregationalist and fomenting rebellion anyway, the British never burned any people with them. The ONLY case of this happening was at Ouradur sur Marne in June of 1944 when a NAZI SS division took vengeance on a French town for German losses to the underground. That event was considered a war crime and those responsible were hanged for it. Judge the rest of the film by this.

The best that can be said of the American Revolution along the Frontiers and in the South was that it was not conducted according to the then generally accepted rules. It was a true civil war with all of the brutality that such a war entails. And it should be remembered that Tarleton's troops were not British Regulars, but American Loyalists.
 
Hugh, it's been a few years since I read about Cowpens in the book The American Revolution by Bruce Lancaster, but I'm aware of Morgan's role and the details of the trap that was layed. I used the term "militia" as a generic (and inaccurate) term for all colonial forces involved. Thanks for pointing out the distinction.

According to Lancaster's book, Tarleton had either 1100 or 1300 men deployed, versus about 800 total colonial forces, and 90% of his men were killed, wounded, or captured.
 
FullerH said:
The ONLY case of this happening was at Ouradur sur Marne in June of 1944 when a NAZI SS division took vengeance on a French town for German losses to the underground.
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Oradour-sur-Glane, Saturday the 10th of June 1944.

"The attack was carried out by soldiers of the Der Führer Regiment of the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich. On that day they killed a total of 642 men, women and children without giving any reasons for their actions and to this day there is no universally accepted explanation for the massacre."

The shattered village is preserved as it was on that day:

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Souviens-toi!

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maximus otter
 
Oradour-sur-Glane it is. Thank you, MO. I do hope that you appreciated my point that the British never did any such thing during our war od independence, even at the worst.

When I was in Canada last summer, I had an interesting time viewing such Loyalist or Tory groups as Butlers Rangers froM the point of view of their descendants rather than the point of view of their enemies. Butlers Rangers were particularly hated by Americans for their involvement with the Indians on the frontiers.
 
maximus otter said:
Another of Mel's period epics, following on from Gallipoli and Braveheart, all renowned for their historical accuracy. :barf:

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I really don’t ever follow the movie crowd very much, put a good friend of mine piped up a while back with some negative comments on the movie the Patriot, and so I asked for some more info. I just cut and pasted what he sent me so as to get the facts strait





At the inseption it was supposed to be based on the life of Francis Marion (the swamp fox) After it was dumbed down and hollywoodised it was unrecognisable as anytrhing that really happened in history.

I was hired to train all the British soldiers in the Movie. That part was a blast. they gave me 12 days 475 guys,all the equipment and muskets, and paid me 175 a day to do it. I developed a training plan and logistics support plan to support the training. They gave everything to me I needed. It was only after the director got involved that things started to unravel. Roland Emmerich was the same guy that had done Independace day and Godzilla. He had no business trying to do a Period correct piece. as he out it they were "not makeing a documentery". (insert Faggy German accent) So what are you left with two battles on film that never ever happend, (one was a combination of about 3 different ones) Characters that didnt exist , and general distortion of our history.
I was very vocal during the filming and on last count was fired on 4 different occations. I finally quite showing up. I worked with those clowns for a total of 2 months off and on.

All they would have to do is look at the real history of the revolutionary war and realize that they didnt have to make anything up. the truth is much stranger than fiction.
 
Horned Toad said:
At the inseption it was supposed to be based on the life of Francis Marion (the swamp fox) After it was dumbed down and hollywoodised it was unrecognisable as anytrhing that really happened in history.
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That's because the original guy - Francis Marion or Swamp Fox - was a rapist and a mass-murderer ;)
 
Nordic Viking said:
That's because the original guy - Francis Marion or Swamp Fox - was a rapist and a mass-murderer ;)
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NV, I assume that this is sarcasm, but I should really like to see any support for your claim if it is not.
 
Nordic Viking said:
http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Exclusive/0,,332358,00.html
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nothing better than judging something that happened 230 years ago by today’s standard, somehow I doubt there is a culture out there that doesn’t have blood on their hands, I would much rather see the truth both good and bad than some directors BS vision of what happened. So we have a news story from Ireland, a country with such a spotless reputation for not killing innocents, and it is posted by a guy from Sweden whose vikings may have been more trade minded than their neighbors, but for sure could swing an axe or sword with the best of them.

I just thought it was interesting to hear some perspective from someone I knew who was on the set and not once things had been sent through the news channels.
 
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