An Apology, among other things

I smile at the choice of your word "cute" to describe that video. For me, several other words come to mind, but I don't want to spew venom so early on such a beautiful day. ;)

I buy CS knives DESPITE their "cute" marketing, NOT because of it!!!! :barf:
 
What's incredibly funny is that the OP started a thread to apologize for creating a thread that turned into a Cold Steel bashing/flame/argument war. The funny part is that his apology thread is now turning into a Cold Steel bashing/flame/argument war.
 
Cold steel didn't invent "cute" marketing, and I've personally watched a LTC kukri, which I bought for around a hundred bucks from the "special projects" catalog as a factory second, handily outchop a kukri that cost nearly ten times as much, from a company with its own brand of "cute" marketing. At the end of the day, I purchased both products because I liked the products, and I didn't let the over the top marketing sway me one way or the other.

If CS puts out another blade I dig, I'll pick it up - there are very few companies that I would outright refuse to do business with, and goofy videos of a fat guy chopping up chickens aren't going to be the tipping point. Hey, I'm a fat guy, and I gotta eat - sometimes you just gotta chop up a chicken, man.
 
This totally sounds like something I could get in on. Can you link the thread or video?
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I'm afraid to do that twice. Just search 'Natchez Bowie' on youtube and look for a video 5:53 in length.

What's incredibly funny is that the OP started a thread to apologize for creating a thread that turned into a Cold Steel bashing/flame/argument war. The funny part is that his apology thread is now turning into a Cold Steel bashing/flame/argument war.
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Actually I started this thread to keep the previous discussion going in a civil manner, and I actually think it's going well. Nobody is attacking each other; that goes a long way and I really appreciate it.

I think there have been a lot of sensible posts on this thread so far; personally, I agree with those whose idea it is to take it with a grain of salt. Yeah, they have their dubious attributes, but there's nothing really wrong with enjoying them. Like I said, it's not like they'll go away if you don't.
 
Oh, I know it's going along fine now. I'm not sure I'll be able to say that a few more pages in. I can already sense some people starting to get riled up.
 
I never watch their videos. I really like their Voyager and Vaquero folders.

And, sure, I think gay marriage can be aborted :)

For whatever reason people just like them, not sure why but they just do.
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I like mine because they cut and cut, the locks work, don't jam, don't break, the handles fill my hand with just the right amount of texture, knife tips don't snap, the clips keep the folders in your pocket (unlike my Delica's). The only criticism I have is that a top-opener or SpyderHole is superior for opening than their little stud/nub.
 
GrinderMcgee said:
The American Lawman is the most solid folding knife I have ever owned. I am a huge fan of the fixed blades from this company as well as others. It is unfortunate that even productive discussion of these is so highly discouraged.
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Well said, Grinder. :thumbup:

I too enjoy my Cold Steel knives and have found that they do indeed perform as advertised. The knives are well designed and well made, even down to the $5 'Kudu', which I use quite often. At this writing, a 4" Clip Voyager is in my pocket despite being within arm's reach of many other expensive knives. I have been carrying and using knives for 45 years, so I am not ignorant of what constitutes a good knife and Cold Steel markets good knives, IMO.

I believe that there are many other CS users on the forums that would like to share their good experiences with CS knives, but are afraid to do so lest they get flamed. I hope that forum members rise to the occasion and share in the enjoyment that others take in their knives, regardless of brand.
 
axtalan0 said:
I smile at the choice of your word "cute" to describe that video. For me, several other words come to mind, but I don't want to spew venom so early on such a beautiful day. ;)

I buy CS knives DESPITE their "cute" marketing, NOT because of it!!!! :barf:
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it's just probably because the videos are not targeted for you and your demographic. they don't have to advertise to you since you know their knives are well made.
 
let me share my experience, i watch a vid on the nightshade karambit, they put it through a thick piece of meat and it was in unscaved, i bought one, tested it like them but used about 10 sheets of paper. the tip broke. not trying to start a flame war, but that is what happened to me.
 
I missed the original post, but this one led me and my kids to 20 minutes of Cold Steel YouTube. It doesn't get any better than that...
 
A.P.F. said:
Well said, Grinder. :thumbup:

I too enjoy my Cold Steel knives and have found that they do indeed perform as advertised. The knives are well designed and well made, even down to the $5 'Kudu', which I use quite often. At this writing, a 4" Clip Voyager is in my pocket despite being within arm's reach of many other expensive knives. I have been carrying and using knives for 45 years, so I am not ignorant of what constitutes a good knife and Cold Steel markets good knives, IMO.

I believe that there are many other CS users on the forums that would like to share their good experiences with CS knives, but are afraid to do so lest they get flamed. I hope that forum members rise to the occasion and share in the enjoyment that others take in their knives, regardless of brand.
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i like em,if you don't,stay shy and don't buy them,the folders and fixed are good knives like the spartan for under $75 a stought knife...........
 
It was said earlier in this thread that the knives themselves are seldom actually the targets of criticism, and this is perhaps the most important bit. Marketing ploys can be debated like anything else can, but the only people who berate the knives themselves, apart from the odd lemon, are people who have no real experience with them.

I'm exited to buy a Natchez Bowie now. I was worried about the tip strength - such a fine tip on such a large knife, after all. Then again, watching the knife go through a silver dollar - something I will never, ever be stupid enough to attempt btw - makes me feel alot more confident that this knife can at least be used to dig around in rotting wood, or something basic like that.

Also, I suppose the ability to butcher an entire carcass in a matter of seconds might come in handy to some :p

I suppose there are better knives for woods jobs - the trailmaster, with a thicker tip, or the laredo bowie, which I already own, but there's something elegant, exquisite and exclusive about the Natchez that makes me want one. It all comes down to wanting what you want, and if what you want will perform adequately, I don't see the problem with that.
 
IMHO, Cold Steel are mostly strong and heavy with big blades. Some of there knife designs seem impractical. The videos really don't prove anything because most knives properly sharpened and using the same thickness of steel would do the same thing. These are short tests of an almost new knife. I think that's why I find them silly. They may be made great and it sounds like a lot of people like them.

I just would pay more for a more elegant knife that is lighter and still pretty strong. Folder or fixed.
 
I have a recon 1 which I bought mostly for last ditch SD. If it can survive what they put it through in their videos. then I'll be very confident in it's lock, quite contrary to what some other knife guys have posted about the unreliability of "pre-broken knives". so if they do perform as advertised then hooray. but in the posts trashing the videos all i have ever read was how silly and ridiculous they are and nothing about the veracity of their claims. could there be a "conspiracy" to make the general public believe that locking folders are unsafe for the user?
 
Here's a video by Andrew Demko, designer of the tri-ad lock. This video is understated compared to other cold steel videos. What this video shows is that Demko is dedicated to making awesome knives that are functional. This video also shows that if you get a voyager then you will have one of the better knives on the market. I can't wait to order mine.

I would also like to say, I am against depicting knives as weapons and stabbing a slab of pork dressed up in a biker jacket is just that. It's a bad idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EULzneZjkEc
 
HotSwat said:
Here's a video by Andrew Demko, designer of the tri-ad lock. This video is understated compared to other cold steel videos. What this video shows is that Demko is dedicated to making awesome knives that are functional. This video also shows that if you get a voyager then you will have one of the better knives on the market. I can't wait to order mine.

I would also like to say, I am against depicting knives as weapons and stabbing a slab of pork dressed up in a biker jacket is just that. It's a bad idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EULzneZjkEc
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Ok, let's grant that the CS vidoes are inappropriate(for lack of a better term)? since knives are also weapons and tactical folders primarily so, how would you go about testing them to find out if they can do what they were designed to do? for that matter how are other tactical folders tested? striders, emersons, and zero tolerance folders for instance?
 
Everytime somebody mentions "Cold Steel" a flame war starts. Like a few years ago somebody posted a thread asking how the Recon Tanto in AUS8A compared to the Recon Tanto in Carbon V. It was of my interest to find the answer so I read the whole thing and in the several pages that the thread had nobody answered the OP's question but mostly everybody criticized cold steel, calling them thieves of designs among other things, I was surpriced and at the same time disappointed simply because I couldn't find my answer and they left me a bitter opinion about Cold Steel :thumbdn:.
 
I would hope that they're tested in similar ways - abusively - and in a manner that deviates from what us knuts would refer to as 'normal use.' I mean, we use our knives mostly for cutting, and are actually more dilligent about that than most people - but it's knice to feel like a knife will come through in a SHTF situation. The Cold Steel videos might go a long ways in that redard, although they do stigmatize knives as being weapons.
Mixed messages, eh?

Everytime somebody mentions "Cold Steel" a flame war starts. Like a few years ago somebody posted a thread asking how the Recon Tanto in AUS8A compared to the Recon Tanto in Carbon V. It was of my interest to find the answer so I read the whole thing and in the several pages that the thread had nobody answered the OP's question but mostly everybody criticized cold steel, calling them thieves of designs among other things, I was surpriced and at the same time disappointed simply because I couldn't find my answer and they left me a bitter opinion about Cold Steel .
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I should have thought about that before posting the first time, but this thread appears to be quite thoughtful - for now at least - which is exactly what I wanted. People seem to be keeping to their opinions on the knives themselves, with the videos being more or less a product of that quality. Good or bad, a case could be made either way, but they are all the same expressive of something relevant.
Keep it up, guys :)
 
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All knife manufacturers have highly targetted marketting directions. Take ESEE for example. How do you like your knives covered in gutted croc blood not to mention the guy holding the knife! Personally I find this very offputting but I can see how others would find this compelling.

That doesn't mean I won't buy a rat though. In fact I'm already saving for a rc4! I don't see too many people ranting about ESEE's company ethos or image although I may have missed them.

All said and done it's the knife itself that's important and even more so, those that have actual experience with one.
 
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